The Anglicans are Coming! (maybe)

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Here is an excelent article on the split within the Anglican Church over the consecration of women as bishops. It is difficult to immagine how the Anglican communion can survive such a split. And, it is difficult to see how the Catholic Church can absorb an influx of Anglicans and their clergy in spite of Pope Benedict’s invitation to come to Rome. What are your thoughts?
newyorker.com/reporting/2010/04/26/100426fa_fact_kramer
 
**Here is an excelent article on the split within the Anglican Church over the consecration of women as bishops. It is difficult to immagine how the Anglican communion can survive such a split. And, it is difficult to see how the Catholic Church can absorb an influx of Anglicans and their clergy in spite of Pope Benedict’s invitation to come to Rome. What are your thoughts?
newyorker.com/reporting/2…fa_fact_kramer **

Truly sad. That is what happens when many churches believe one has a ‘right’ to be a priest or part of the clergy. God only CALLS men to be priest,not women.The whole belief that Jesus lived in the 1st century and women were not heard is pure nonsense and ignorance. Jesus (God) is not old fashioned or hip with the times. God is about NOW since he is forever.

Nothing can be further than the truth. Look at the end results: DIVISIONS upon DIVISIONS.

I say let them back home and let the others divide even more over absurd issues.
 
I think it’s naive to think that every single Anglican who is angry over the state of affairs in the AC is automatically going to jump to Rome. Most Anglicans I know are far from coming to that conclusion. The TAC jumped off the Canterbury express back in the 70’s when WO was becoming en vogue. My diocese, San Joaquin, does not allow the ordination of women under Bishop Schofield and there is every indication from what I hear (I know people on the commitee that will elect a new bishop) that the next bishop a year from now will be opposed as well. Iker and a few other bishops are against WO.

We don’t have any clear numbers on the amount of folks moving toward Rome. I do think the rampant and horrific molestation scandals that seem to keep spreading like wildfire are definitely not big inducements to sign on. That should keep some at bay. And Anglicans are more loyal than some may think.
 
I definitely concur about women priests. It is the silliest of notions.
Nicea325 said:
Here is an excelent article on the split within the Anglican Church over the consecration of women as bishops. It is difficult to immagine how the Anglican communion can survive such a split. And, it is difficult to see how the Catholic Church can absorb an influx of Anglicans and their clergy in spite of Pope Benedict’s invitation to come to Rome. What are your thoughts?
newyorker.com/reporting/2…fa_fact_kramer

Truly sad. That is what happens when many churches believe one has a ‘right’ to be a priest or part of the clergy. God only CALLS men to be priest,not women.The whole belief that Jesus lived in the 1st century and women were not heard is pure nonsense and ignorance. Jesus (God) is not old fashioned or hip with the times. God is about NOW since he is forever.

Nothing can be further than the truth. Look at the end results: DIVISIONS upon DIVISIONS.

I say let them back home and let the others divide even more over absurd issues.
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PoliSciProf said:
Here is an excelent article on the split within the Anglican Church over the consecration of women as bishops. It is difficult to immagine how the Anglican communion can survive such a split. And, it is difficult to see how the Catholic Church can absorb an influx of Anglicans and their clergy in spite of Pope Benedict’s invitation to come to Rome. What are your thoughts?
newyorker.com/reporting/2010/04/26/100426fa_fact_kramer
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That we live in interesting times.

GKC

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Well, some are coming. Anglican Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria has called for an “Anglican Ecumenical Council” at a recent meeting of global south Anglicans to correct the errors he sees in their communion. Doesn’t sound like that group are planning on going anywhere.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
PoliSciProf said:
Here is an excelent article on the split within the Anglican Church over the consecration of women as bishops. It is difficult to immagine how the Anglican communion can survive such a split. And, it is difficult to see how the Catholic Church can absorb an influx of Anglicans and their clergy in spite of Pope Benedict’s invitation to come to Rome. What are your thoughts?
newyorker.com/reporting/2010/04/26/100426fa_fact_kramer
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Ordaining women to deacon has been around since the 60’s. priest 70’s and I think bishop
the 80’s. This is old news, from an Anglican point of view. The communion will not survive.
The global south meet last week. Absent were the TEC, Anglican Church Canada and [edited] Rowan. The Primates of the global south have told Rowan not, say again NOT to invite TEC or the Anglican Church Canada to functions. Some of the Primates have written letters to the Archbishop telling him that the communion is broken. Archbisop Akinola, I believe, has even said that Canterbury does not define Anglicanism and we don’t need Canterbury. In singapore the global south called for a re-alignment of Anglicanism. They, and you can read their own words, are tired of the heresy of the TEC and [edited] of Shorii, and [edited] of Rowan. Effectively the communion is now visibly broken where it had been whispered as broken before. What is interesting was that the ACNA Archbishop was invited and two orthodox TEC Bishops were present. +Lawerence of South Carolina and +Howe of Central Florida. Many if not all of the global south say they are in communion with ACNA and not with TEC.

Could the Church absorb 80 million Anglicans? yes a 1.2 billion member church can. If everyone came, at least a 6% growth. But not all will come. Singapore also shows that most Anglicans are very comfortable protestants. The influx will be small at first and will increase once the Anglicans see how it is going to work. Also some priest and bishops who want to come, will stay behind with those who are not yet ready to provide pastoral care until such time as they are ready to come into the Church or move on to other Anglican jurisdictions.

Fr. Mark
 
has this schism anything to do with practicing anglican gay priest?
 
If you’re referring to Gene Robinson, [edited], yes. He and the new lesbian bishop out West both are part of the problem. But honestly the ordination of women in the 70’s was the spart that lit the fire. The modifications to the Prayer Book, the steadily changing theology about who Christ is and what He is and his role in our lives got more liberal, watered-down, and vague only to be thrown in with other religions as co-equal. [edited] the whole band is generally so far left that they lost their way long before Robinson, the gay man who dumped his wife for his gay sodomite friend turned into a bishop. It’s been a keg of dynamite waiting to explode. This was just the icing on the cake I think.
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has this schism anything to do with practicing anglican gay priest?
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I thought we split over Mr. Spock’s “ordination.” I’m utterly confused at this point. 😃
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
If you’re referring to Gene Robinson, [edited], yes. He and the new lesbian bishop out West both are part of the problem. But honestly the ordination of women in the 70’s was the spart that lit the fire. The modifications to the Prayer Book, the steadily changing theology about who Christ is and what He is and his role in our lives got more liberal, watered-down, and vague only to be thrown in with other religions as co-equal. [edited] the whole band is generally so far left that they lost their way long before Robinson, the gay man who dumped his wife for his gay sodomite friend turned into a bishop. It’s been a keg of dynamite waiting to explode. This was just the icing on the cake I think.
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I see…I then welcome all to The Catholic church however many there may be:)
 
I have reference here to the Episcopal Church, not all of the Anglican Communion. Not every Anglican is waiting by the phone like a school girl in high school waiting for that hunk of a guy, Chuck Catholic, to call and legitimize them LOL 😛
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I see…I then welcome all to The Catholic church however many there may be:)
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Huh? Spock can’t be ordained. He threw away the Kolinar discipline. Remember Star Trek the Motion Picture? 😛
blazerdave said:
I thought we split over Mr. Spock’s “ordination.” I’m utterly confused at this point. 😃
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MarkBrown said:
Ordaining women to deacon has been around since the 60’s. priest 70’s and I think bishop
the 80’s. This is old news, from an Anglican point of view. The communion will not survive.

Fr. Mark
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I would tend to agree with you to a degree; I don’t think the communion will fail per say, but continue to evolve as it has been doing for many years now. It’ll be interesting to see what the make-up looks like 50 years from now as I’m sure it’ll look much different then it does now.
 
The Anglican Church in England still doesn’t ordain female bishops, although they’ve ordained female priests for years; that’s what the article is about, since Rowan Williams is strongly in favor of female ordination but very hesitant to further alienate conservatives. Ultimately I think the Anglican Communion will formally split with the Episcopalian/liberal wing getting more liberal and the conservative wing, led by the African churches, ACNA and the Diocese of Sydney, getting more conservative and Protestant. There are a few prominent bishops in England who will almost certainly become Catholic, but the idea that large numbers of clergy will convert is a pipe dream – Bishop Akinola for example is about as likely to become a Catholic as he is to announce he’s actually a lesbian.

In any case, I don’t see the difficulty from Rome’s perspective in welcoming whoever wants to make the switch, especially given that they’re in the process of formally creating the institutions to allow the Anglicans to preserve most of their liturgy and traditions.

On an unrelated note, I’ve never understood why Catholics are so fond of calling Bishop Schori a ‘heretic’ – she’s obviously liberal and she has a very combative personality, but I don’t think she’s ever said anything remotely heretical. She’s much closer to Rowan Williams theologically than she is to Bishop Spong.
 
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