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Were those that created The Apostles Creed Catholic Christians who proclaimed The See of Peter as The True Church?
The Apostles Creed originated as baptismal formulae used in the west somewhere, possibly Gaul.Were those that created The Apostles Creed Catholic Christians who proclaimed The See of Peter as The True Church?
Actually, it was first documented in Milan a full century before Gaul.The Apostles Creed originated as baptismal formulae used in the west somewhere, possibly Gaul.
But you already knew that, didn’t you?
I’ll buy that, but since non-Catholic Christians don’t believe in Catholic traditions, I was hoping to see someone offer up a concrete explaination as to when it first appeared.According to Church tradition, it is believed that the Apostles, on the day of Pentecost and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, composed the Creed with each Apostle contributing one of the twelve articles.
This is also told in the book The Mystical City of God.
The topic here is The Apostles Creed.According to Church tradition, it is believed that the Apostles, on the day of Pentecost and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, composed the Creed with each Apostle contributing one of the twelve articles.
That’s a pious legend without an ounce of evidence for it, as the Apostles’ Creed is totally unknown in Eastern Churches, even those of apostolic foundation.
The reason that it was called the Apostles’ Creed is that it is a summary (symbol) of Apostolic faith.
There is only ONE Creed with the authority of an Ecumenical council: the Nicene.
Pope Benedict XVI, as Cardinal Ratzinger, wrote a book entitled, “An Introduction to Christianity” in which he outlines the Apostles Creed and states that it was, in fact, a developement specifically in Rome and that it stemmed from the baptismal formula during worship.According to Church tradition, it is believed that the Apostles, on the day of Pentecost and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, composed the Creed with each Apostle contributing one of the twelve articles.
This is also told in the book The Mystical City of God.
Wikipedia states that it was known as early as the 1st century as “The Symbol of The Apostles”.Pope Benedict XVI, as Cardinal Ratzinger, wrote a book entitled, “An Introduction to Christianity” in which he outlines the Apostles Creed and states that it was, in fact, a developement specifically in the west that stemmed from the baptismal formula.
Which book would you say is more authoritative?
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Not off topic, and quite correct.The topic here is The Apostles Creed.
Not The Nicene Creed.
You’re off topic.
If you are learning from inferior sources, you get what you have paid for.Wikipedia states that it was known as early as the 1st century as “The Symbol of The Apostles”.
Which one takes precedence?Not off topic, and quite correct.
The Apostles Creed is nice, but it is not known in the East where the majority of Christians lived for centuries, it cannot actually be Apostolic.
It is a nice local symbol of Faith, and like all such, seems to have been composed for the baptism.
The Nicean-Constantinopolitan Creed is the official Creed of the church, and it was composed on an Antiochian model.
Well then, it must be true.Wikipedia states that it was known as early as the 1st century as “The Symbol of The Apostles”.
Christ said it was a narrow gate, through which His little flock would go.Which one takes precedence?
The Nicene Creed (325 AD)…
…or The Apostles Creed (circa 100 AD)?
Which is the “original” Creed?
And has the Nicene Creed “added” to the original Creed?
Is The Nicene Creed a fresh new creation in 325 AD or was it “based” on The Apostles Creed?
Because the two are pretty much 90% similar.
Also, if “who” the majority of Christians is is what you use to define true orthodoxy,
what does that say about 350 Million Orthodox adherents VS 1.3 Billion Catholics?
Of course it’s Apostolic… if the local church of Rome was Apostolic, its original creed was Apostolic.…The Apostles Creed is nice, but it is not known in the East where the majority of Christians lived for centuries, it cannot actually be Apostolic.
Yes, originally.It is a nice local symbol of Faith, and like all such, seems to have been composed for the baptism.
I wasn’t aware there was an “official” one…The Nicean-Constantinopolitan Creed is the official Creed of the church…
Why ask this, since we were still united at the First Council of Nicaea anyway, whether one looks at it through Catholic or Orthodox viewpoints? For Catholics, the answer is “of course”, but change "Apostles’ " to “Nicene”, and the answer is the same. And I may be wrong, but doesn’t “see of Peter” mean the “local church of Rome” only?Were those that created The Apostles Creed Catholic Christians who proclaimed The See of Peter as The True Church?
I think Hesychist is countering the suggestion of 2nd’s of the pious legend that the Apostles wrote it, which they didn’t. We don’t have a problem with it (the Western Rite Orthodox use it) as being Apostolic in the other uses of that term.Apostles’ Creed - Catholic Encyclopedia
Of course it’s Apostolic… if the local church of Rome was Apostolic, its original creed was Apostolic.
The Ecumenical Councils make that quite clear.I wasn’t aware there was an “official” one…
Not according to St. Gregory, who wrote to the Pope of Alexandria that Rome, Alexandria and Antioch (Peter’s first See, which your church used to celebrate on February 22) are one Petrine See.Why ask this, since we were still united at the First Council of Nicaea anyway, whether one looks at it through Catholic or Orthodox viewpoints? For Catholics, the answer is “of course”, but change "Apostles’ " to “Nicene”, and the answer is the same. And I may be wrong, but doesn’t “see of Peter” mean the “local church of Rome” only?
Not per se, no.The Catholic Church uses both creeds, of course. Some Catholics die without ever knowing there are other creeds. Nobody would say this is wrong…
Gen is erecting straw men because he likes to look for ways to put down other Christians and sow discord. That is apparently why he makes such sophomoric arguments.Why ask this, since we were still united at the First Council of Nicaea anyway, whether one looks at it through Catholic or Orthodox viewpoints?
The Creeds were actually written to combat several heresies of the times in which they were written. The Nicene Creed was written of course during the Council of Nicea to combat the heresies of those who did not believe that Jesus is God and that he was born to a virgin woman amongst others.Were those that created The Apostles Creed Catholic Christians who proclaimed The See of Peter as The True Church?
Hi Hesychios, and God bless you in your preparations for Holy Pascha -Not off topic, and quite correct.
The Apostles Creed is nice, but it is not known in the East where the majority of Christians lived for centuries, it cannot actually be Apostolic.
It is a nice local symbol of Faith, and like all such, seems to have been composed for the baptism.
The Nicean-Constantinopolitan Creed is the official Creed of the church, and it was composed on an Antiochian model.