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Well I have discussed the archangels subject with a Cathoilc deacon and I have learned quite a lot. He did not know everything though, so that is why I am here asking the question. I know that the Catholic Church recognizes Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. I have heard of others such as Uriel, but I have learned that it is wrong to assume the name of another angel that we do not know. I have also heard that their are 7 archangels in all. This is what the deacon did not know about. He did not know if it was wrong or okay to believe that their are 7 archangels. Where does 7 come from? Here are some scriptures that hint such:

Revelation 8:2
Tobit 12:11

Well those are the only two that I know of. So back to my question. Is it against Catholic teaching to believe that their are 7 archangels? God speed.
 
Well I have discussed the archangels subject with a Cathoilc deacon and I have learned quite a lot. He did not know everything though, so that is why I am here asking the question. I know that the Catholic Church recognizes Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. I have heard of others such as Uriel, but I have learned that it is wrong to assume the name of another angel that we do not know. I have also heard that their are 7 archangels in all. This is what the deacon did not know about. He did not know if it was wrong or okay to believe that their are 7 archangels. Where does 7 come from? Here are some scriptures that hint such:

Revelation 8:2
Tobit 12:11

Well those are the only two that I know of. So back to my question. Is it against Catholic teaching to believe that their are 7 archangels? God speed.
No, the church teaches there are 7, only three of them have their names revealed in sacred scripture. St. Uriel is regarded as the fouth because this Angel is mentioned after the other four in many apocraphyl works such as the book of Enoch. He is the one who reveals to Ezra a bunch of visions in the apocryphal book of 2nd Esdras which is found in the appendix of the vulgate. The names of the other three are debated.
 
No, the church teaches there are 7, only three of them have their names revealed in sacred scripture. St. Uriel is regarded as the fouth because this Angel is mentioned after the other four in many apocraphyl works such as the book of Enoch. He is the one who reveals to Ezra a bunch of visions in the apocryphal book of 2nd Esdras which is found in the appendix of the vulgate. The names of the other three are debated.
I was told that the Catholic Church only accepts Michael, Rapael, and Gabriel as archangels and and have now learned that their are four others. Let me just say things in more simple terms. Here are some posts from another site when I was discussing the issue with a Catholic deacon:
Vigis as you stated, The Catholic Church only recognizes the name of three archangels which are Michael, Gabriel and Raphael. The reason that they only recognize these three angels by name is because those are the only names that scripture tells us. Now other religions will say that there arenames of seven archangels, but they get those names from the books that the Catholic church considers apochriphal and not Sacred Text. Threre are other Protestant churches that only recognize the name of Michael and do not accpet the names of the others. The Catholic Church does not permit proper names of Angels that are not found in the canonical books of the Bible which again from the Catholic perspective is Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.

The coptic church still recognizes Uriel as the name of a 4th archangel. It is commonly believed that there are seven archangels, but the names of four of them are not listed in Scripture according to the Catholic church.
A couple of things here. First I don’t want to mislead you, to my knowledge the Catholic Church really only talks about the three archangels, Michael, Gabriel and Raphael. I do not know if there is a definative teaching from the church on more than those three.

The reason that some come to the conclusion that there are seven is from Revelation 8:2 where it say “And I saw the seven angels who stand before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.” Plus they look at the book of Tobit 12:11 whre Rahael identifies himself and says “I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who stand and enter before the glory of God.” They use the significance of these two book referring to the severn angels and they conclude that they must be archangels as archangels would be the “chief” angels and therefore it would be the “Chief”(arch) angels that stand at the Throne of God.

So are you free to believe that there are 4 more archangels? I do not know of anything that says that there is or that there is not, so I do not see a problem since there is no official doctrine on this as far as I know. What I would caution you on is invoking the names of the others. For you do not know for sure who you would be calling to your side and that could be dangerous. So I would stick to the 3 that we know of for sure.

Anyways since then how can Uriel be regarded as a saint in the Catholic Church when it does not even teach such nor does it teach that Uriel is the name of one of the archangels? Well I hope I have asked my question in an understandable way. God speed.
 
I was told that the Catholic Church only accepts Michael, Rapael, and Gabriel as archangels and and have now learned that their are four others.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

‘Azarias makes himself known as “the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord” (Tobit 12:15. Cf. Revelation 8:2). Of these seven “archangels” which appear in the angelology of post-Exilic Judaism, only three, Gabriel, Michael and Raphael, are mentioned in the canonical Scriptures. The others, according to the Book of Enoch (cf. xxi) are Uriel, Raguel, Sariel, and Jerahmeel, while from other apocryphal sources we get the variant names Izidkiel, Hanael, and Kepharel instead of the last three in the other list.’

newadvent.org/cathen/12640b.htm

Uriel is usually listed in Apocryphal sources with the other three Archangels. Generally during the middle ages some theologians began speculating about angels in general and came up with a list of the 7 archangels which are the first names listed above. As time went on the Western Church dropped the feast day of the other Archangels, however St. Uriel is still venerated with the others in the Eastern Churches. In Bavaria there was a Church built during the Baroque era whose patronage is the 7 archangels, there is an altar to each, including St. Uriel.
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Anyways since then how can Uriel be regarded as a saint in the Catholic Church when it does not even teach such nor does it teach that Uriel is the name of one of the archangels? Well I hope I have asked my question in an understandable way. God speed.
All Angels are Saints because they are Heaven, the church teaches there are 7 Archangels, because scripture reveals that to us. However we officially venerate only three, because only three we know by name in sacred scripture. As regards to the other Archangels, Sts. Anne and Joachim are not mentioned anywhere in scripture, but in other sources and the church has always venerated them. Being Catholic means we are not confined to sola scriptura, the veneration of the other four Archangels was dropped due to theological opinions. Yet St. Christopher, Philomena, Valentine, Barbara, and others are still venerated privately despite how none have a feast day anymore.
 
Hi all,

Everything you say is true. Uriel and other angels were removed from public services but nobody said they were abandoned. Angels’ names are fugarative and serve as the expression of their attributes.

To further complicate the matter, visit the website of 7 Great Archangels Catholic church in Bavaria where 7 archangels are being venerated: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Jehudiel, Sealtiel, and Barachiel.

7archangels.info/Home_Page.php

Greetings all! Be blessed!
 
Well I have discussed the archangels subject with a Cathoilc deacon and I have learned quite a lot. He did not know everything though, so that is why I am here asking the question. I know that the Catholic Church recognizes Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. I have heard of others such as Uriel, but I have learned that it is wrong to assume the name of another angel that we do not know. I have also heard that their are 7 archangels in all. This is what the deacon did not know about. He did not know if it was wrong or okay to believe that their are 7 archangels. Where does 7 come from? Here are some scriptures that hint such:

Revelation 8:2
Tobit 12:11

Well those are the only two that I know of. So back to my question. Is it against Catholic teaching to believe that their are 7 archangels? God speed.
im a born catholic but lately people have been posting stuff from the bible and im just trying to understand it some what, how did they come about with the first 3 known angels?
 
Well I have discussed the archangels subject with a Cathoilc deacon and I have learned quite a lot. He did not know everything though, so that is why I am here asking the question. I know that the Catholic Church recognizes Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael. I have heard of others such as Uriel, but I have learned that it is wrong to assume the name of another angel that we do not know. I have also heard that their are 7 archangels in all. This is what the deacon did not know about. He did not know if it was wrong or okay to believe that their are 7 archangels. Where does 7 come from? Here are some scriptures that hint such:

Revelation 8:2
Tobit 12:11

Well those are the only two that I know of. So back to my question. Is it against Catholic teaching to believe that their are 7 archangels? God speed.
Some time ago a poster put a question to Ask An Apologist asking why angels are called saints, and the poster specifically asked about Uriel.
This was Father Serpa’s reply:

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If the being is in heaven, then it is a saint. However, the Catholic Church does not consider Uriel an angel, let alone a saint, because Uriel is only found in some Old Testament apochryphal writings.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

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