The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

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1voice said:
Originally Posted by Nicea325
Nice commentary,but nothing you said has answered my challenge to you.

Sorry,but I still waiting for the bibical verses supporting your biblical belief:

Everything must be said and taught in the Bible in order to be true? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief.

Where is it written that my responses require your acceptance? 😉
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Not a very good side-step. Where are the Bible verses that support your position?

Where are the Bible verses that support your position?
 
1voice said:
Any doctrine cannot contradict/ must line up with … truth already revealed in the Bible.
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I will repeat the question I asked in post 481:

Okay…question then…who gets to decide what supports and contradicts the Bible?

How is one to know what contradicts and supports Scripture? You, the individual, someone else? the Church?

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1voice said:
Where is it written that my responses require your acceptance? 😉
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No, 1voice. The comment about your silence is regrading our asking you for a verse that shows "the Bible is book from which all else must be compared. "

You never read that in a single page of the Bible.

You heard one man preach it, who heard it from another man, who heard it from another man, but not a single person ever got that idea from the Bible.

That is what’s called a man made tradition.
 
LittleSoldier said:
All prayers must be the Lord’s Prayer?
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The context of my response above clearly says a lot more than that.
but the common thread and the point is that
In every case … we are told specifically through and to whom to direct prayers.
 
1voice said:
The context of my response above clearly says a lot more than that.
but the common thread and the point is that
In every case … we are told specifically through and to whom to direct prayers.
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ALL of our prayers, 1voice, are directed to God. We begin each of our prayers, “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit…”

But when we pray to saints, it’s merely an invocation for their prayers.

If you are against invoking someone’s prayers, then you’ll have to write your pastor a letter to stop the prayer chains that are in your church, going on right now most likely!
 
PRmerger said:
No, 1voice. The comment about your silence is regrading our asking you for a verse that shows "the Bible is book from which all else must be compared. "
You never read that in a single page of the Bible.
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Your logic is exactly the same logic that Mormons stand on when they justify the claims made in the Book of Mormon.
 
1voice said:
You are assuming that is my position. It is not.
I take the position that all actions/ beliefs must concur/ support / not contradict the Bible.

In the same way that all laws and actions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and Bill of Rights … and only those things that contradict those documents are not permitted within the jurisdiction of the US.

Paul said “Everything (that is not expressly forbidden by God) is permissible”
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Book, chapter, and verse please.

Is in-vitro fertilization then morally licit? Is stem-cell research using embryonic cells morally licit? Neither is expressly forbidden by God…wait! I didn’t see the phrase “in the Bible” in what Paul wrote, at least as you have posted it. Did Paul say “Everything (that is not expressly forbidden by God IN THE BIBLE is permissible?” And did Paul use those parentheses? Or did you add something to Bible Scripture?
 
1voice said:
The context of my response above clearly says a lot more than that.
but the common thread and the point is that
In every case … we are told specifically through and to whom to direct prayers.
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All prayers to go before the Lord. That is the point of Intercession…no?

No intercession?

Anyway Pope Leo XIII encyclicals which you seem to be at odds with are about the “Rosary”. Both, in fact he wrote oh I forget, a dozen or so I believe, give or take one.

Thus we come to the Mysterys of the Gospel which is the contemplation/meditation of the Rosary, and is Christ centered always. 🤷 Cross, Crown of Thorns, Agony in the Garden, etc etc etc. All Biblical:shrug:
 
PRmerger said:
ALL of our prayers, 1voice, are directed to God. We begin each of our prayers, “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit…”

But when we pray to saints, it’s merely an invocation for their prayers.

If you are against invoking someone’s prayers, then you’ll have to write your pastor a letter to stop the prayer chains that are in your church, going on right now most likely!
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Well, I have personally witnessed many miracles and answers to my prayer. I have never prayed in any other way than that instructed by God in the Bible. I will stick with what God has proven to me through hard won experience over many years.
 
1voice said:
The context of my response above clearly says a lot more than that.
but the common thread and the point is that
In every case … we are told specifically through and to whom to direct prayers.
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1voice, we do! All the prayers of the entire Communion of Saints are directed to GOD. When we pray to the saints we are asking them to pray to God for us. And they do. I have already posted the passage.

When we pray the Rosary we start off with the Sign of the Cross. And we end with the Sign of the Cross. And in every Hail Mary we say “Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.” When we pray to Mary we are beseeching her - we are simply asking her to pray for us. And she does. To GOD.
 
1voice said:
Your logic is exactly the same logic that Mormons stand on when they justify the claims made in the Book of Mormon.
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Another side-step. Catholics are not Mormons. You have introduced a straw man.

Where are the Bible verses that support your position?
 
1voice said:
Originally Posted by Nicea325
Nice commentary,but nothing you said has answered my challenge to you.

Sorry,but I still waiting for the bibical verses supporting your biblical belief:

Everything must be said and taught in the Bible in order to be true? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief.

Where is it written that my responses require your acceptance? 😉
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And where is it written in my responses to keep dodging my request? I do not understand your constant refusal to present those verses, if you truly believe you follow the Bible to the last letter? I’ll ask again 1voice: Where does the Bible teach: everything must be said or taught from the Bible in order to be true?

You questioned our Marian beliefs and said the burden of proof is on us? Well I am returning the favor now…do you ever plan to answer?

I hope you are aware that the more you refuse to answer the more it weakens your belief-right?
 
1voice said:
Your logic is exactly the same logic that Mormons stand on when they justify the claims made in the Book of Mormon.
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But it still doesn’t resolve the fact that you are following something that you ONLY know because you heard another man preach it.

But you never heard this from the Word of God: "“the Bible is book from which all else must be compared.”

You ONLY heard it from the words of men.
 
Originally Posted by 1voice
Your logic is exactly the same logic that Mormons stand on when they justify the claims made in the Book of Mormon.
LittleSoldier said:
Another side-step. Catholics are not Mormons. You have introduced a straw man.

Where are the Bible verses that support your position?
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If you use that logic… you must allow others to use the same logic.
 
1voice said:
Well, I have personally witnessed many miracles and answers to my prayer. I have never prayed in any other way than that instructed by God in the Bible. I will stick with what God has proven to me through hard won experience over many years.
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No one is saying that you have to pray to the saints, 1voice.

We’re just saying that asking someone in heaven to pray for us does not in any way contradict the revelation of God.

Incidentally, I’m curious if you attribute your miracles to only YOUR prayers, or do you think that the prayers of lots of other righteous men availed you much? That is, were there other people praying for you?
 
Nicea325 said:
And where is it written in my responses to keep dodging my request? I do not understand your constant refusal to present those verses, if you truly believe you follow the Bible to the last letter? I’ll ask again 1voice: Where does the Bible teach: everything must be said or taught from the Bible in order to be true?

You questioned our Marian beliefs and said the burden of proof is on us? Well I am returning the favor now…do you ever plan to answer?

I hope you are aware that the more you refuse to answer the more it weakens your belief-right?
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Likewise, the question posted in 481 and 500:

Okay…question then…who gets to decide what supports and contradicts the Bible?

How is one to know what contradicts and supports Scripture? You, the individual, someone else? the Church?

It should be an easy question for you to answer, right 1voice?
 
PRmerger said:
But it still doesn’t resolve the fact that you are following something that you ONLY know because you heard another man preach it.

But you never heard this from the Word of God: "“the Bible is book from which all else must be compared.”

You ONLY heard it from the words of men.
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“for you have exalted your Word above all your name”
Psalm 138:2
 
1voice said:
If you use that logic… you must allow others to use the same logic.
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No, 1voice. Our logic is that we believe the Word of God in its ENTIRETY, which has been revealed through 2 channels: Scripture and Tradition.

YOUR paradigm is that God’s Word is only revealed through the Scriptures.

So, if you believe anything about God, then you have to follow your own paradigm and show where you found it in the Scriptures.

You cannot find any verse that supports your view, ""the Bible is book from which all else must be compared. "

You ONLY believe it because you heard a many say it, who heard another man say it, who heard another man say it…

but you NEVER read it in the pages of the Bible.
 
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