The Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament

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GaryTaylor said:
You see my Sister, they are quiet because upon contemplating the Light God has shown them in this World.

Then the question should+ does return to “well then what do you suppose God did for Mary?”

It becomes very difficult to wrap ones’s mind around that. And the simple truth is words could do this no justice but to place in question Gods love for Jesus from the Incarnation to the Cross. For this was the path of Mary also in Faith trust, love and suffering. Among all her other virtues.

Peace
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I’m sorry. I don’t understand what you are trying to tell me.
 
Nicea325 said:
1voice:

Your belief or God’s belief? Then show me where God teaches: Everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true? Where does Jesus teach such a position?

According to who and WHO determined such a belief?

Then you are applying your own principle to your own belief. Where does the Bible teach everything must be in the Bible? Burden of proof is on you to show us this biblical belief. I am still waiting for the scriptural verses.

Likewise…and still waiting for the convincing proof of your position:

Where is the proof of everything must be in the Bible and where does the bible teach it?
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It’s not there and anyone who claims it is should be able to produce proof. There is more Biblical evidence that it isn’t there than that it is! I don’t know how many times I have asked for proof and I have never received it. The subject is changed, the poster dances around or side-steps or starts hurling ad hominems.* Because it simply is not there. It seems strange to me that the Holy Spirit would lead men (Catholic men) to put together a book called the Bible and then remain mute and aloof from the people He loves so much or that any words He does utter are worthless.

*I’m not referring to anyone in this thread when it comes to hurling ad hominems. But it’s happened to me before.
 
1voice said:
Of course you are free to define me in any way that you like…🙂
I define myself as a Christian.
Without going into the boring details … 22 years into my life I was a very depressed person with several extremely painful and debilitating physical ailments. I had considered suicide … but I had a gut feeling that would only make things worse. 😉

Over a period of years I was set free of every single thing that was destroying my life. Everything I learned (that set me free) I learned from the Bible. Growing up I was told that the Bible must be interpreted by trained individuals within the Church because of the danger of misinterpretation. I was discouraged from reading the Bible and only heard excerpts as a result of the readings at Mass.
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I do hope you realize that the Church encourages us to read the Bible.
Through 8 years of Catholic grade school under the Felician Sisters and 4 years of CCD … I was never ever taught/told that there was a way, clearly described in the Bible, to be healed of all that I was struggling with. The medical doctors were my only option and they could not help me. When I talked to my Parish Priest or others in the Clergy … I got cookie cutter answers that did not even begin to solve my dilemma. Totally frustrated and refusing to live this way I said … God, If there is a way out of this … You show me! … and he did. Searching through the radio stations I would hear the word healing.
…In my condition … that captured my attention. Out of desperation I secretly began to listen to non Catholic ministers on the radio in my car… who spoke of how Jesus really does heal today … Just like he did when he walked the earth in Israel 2000 years ago.
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I do hope you realize that the Church encourages questioning one’s faith as a Catholic and does not prohibit the faithful from listening to or otherwise interacting with those of other faiths - including non-Christians.
They taught principles straight out of the Bible. Nothing else. Just the pure word of God.
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Pure Word of God is only in the Bible? :eek: Is this what you are saying? If so, please provide book, chapter, and verse which shows where the Bible states this.

And then, please, could we get back to discussing the Ark of the Covenant in the New Testament?
 
Addendum to Post #417: I don’t mean to sound uncharitable. What I wrote came straight from my heart. I know people suffer from horrible physical and/or emotional pain and I am not trying to say that it is easy or unimportant. In fact, it is very hard and is very important - it can be the most important thing going on in one’s life for years and years, maybe even for the person’s entire life. Pain can be absolutely overwhelming. Ask any woman who has given birth without pain killers.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a gift from God or that it is all bad. Suffering can be used for good. Mary suffered immense emotional pain while seeing her Son go through the Crucifixion yet we call both her and Jesus “blessed.” Those who suffer with chronic pain *are *blessed. They have a deeper understanding of the suffering of others, including Jesus and Mary. They are more likely to have empathy instead of self-serving pity and relief that they “don’t have to go through that!”

They are blessed. Suffering can be a form of prayer.

Anyway, I don’t want anyone to think that I don’t understand or that I don’t care. I do.
 
LittleSoldier said:
Addendum to Post #417: I don’t mean to sound uncharitable. What I wrote came straight from my heart. I know people suffer from horrible physical and/or emotional pain and I am not trying to say that it is easy or unimportant. In fact, it is very hard and is very important - it can be the most important thing going on in one’s life for years and years, maybe even for the person’s entire life. Pain can be absolutely overwhelming. Ask any woman who has given birth without pain killers.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a gift from God or that it is all bad. Suffering can be used for good. Mary suffered immense emotional pain while seeing her Son go through the Crucifixion yet we call both her and Jesus “blessed.” Those who suffer with chronic pain *are *blessed. They have a deeper understanding of the suffering of others, including Jesus and Mary. They are more likely to have empathy instead of self-serving pity and relief that they “don’t have to go through that!”

They are blessed. Suffering can be a form of prayer.

Anyway, I don’t want anyone to think that I don’t understand or that I don’t care. I do.
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This thread has gone off the rails… (i.e., way off-topic).
 
Little Soldier, I so appreciate your posts.

And thank you for trying to keep us on topic.

Though I must admit that when we go off topic it reminds me of conversations and how they evolve and change and then just when you think it ain’t never going to be said, boom, there it is on topic once again. 😃
 
Miriam1947 said:
Little Soldier, I so appreciate your posts.

And thank you for trying to keep us on topic.

Though I must admit that when we go off topic it reminds me of conversations and how they evolve and change and then just when you think it ain’t never going to be said, boom, there it is on topic once again. 😃
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Unfortunately threads that go way off-topic, like this one, are usually closed by the moderators and rightly so. It’s OK to go off on tangents as long as it’s brought back to the topic. But this thread just seems to be going further and further off-topic, even though there have been attempts to bring it back on-topic.

I’m thinking of starting a new thread on the Ark of the Covenant. Specifically.
 
LittleSoldier said:
It’s not there and anyone who claims it is should be able to produce proof. There is more Biblical evidence that it isn’t there than that it is! I don’t know how many times I have asked for proof and I have never received it. The subject is changed, the poster dances around or side-steps or starts hurling ad hominems.* Because it simply is not there. It seems strange to me that the Holy Spirit would lead men (Catholic men) to put together a book called the Bible and then remain mute and aloof from the people He loves so much or that any words He does utter are worthless.

*I’m not referring to anyone in this thread when it comes to hurling ad hominems. But it’s happened to me before.
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Precisely! 1voice has yet to provide the “proof” where the Bible teaches everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true. Burden is all on 1voice to prove such a “biblical” belief.

When one makes such a claim and yet cannot back it up it is very clear: THEY HAVE NO SUCH PROOF!
 
Nicea325 said:
Precisely! 1voice has yet to provide the “proof” where the Bible teaches everything must be said and line up with the Bible in order to be true. Burden is all on 1voice to prove such a “biblical” belief.

When one makes such a claim and yet cannot back it up it is very clear: THEY HAVE NO SUCH PROOF!
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And now the subject has been changed to the point that Mary and the Ark of the Covenant aren’t even mentioned!

I don’t know if it’s being done purposely here but it seems to happen every single time.

MARY IS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT! Beautiful, blessed holy Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, the Theotokos, the Co-Redeemer, the Co-Mediatrix, ever pure, ever holy and unsinning, always loving us, visiting us, warning us, promising to protect us if ask…you will have my undying love forever - all for the glory of your Son, Jesus; all for the glory of God.
 
LittleSoldier said:
Unfortunately threads that go way off-topic, like this one, are usually closed by the moderators and rightly so. It’s OK to go off on tangents as long as it’s brought back to the topic. But this thread just seems to be going further and further off-topic, even though there have been attempts to bring it back on-topic.

I’m thinking of starting a new thread on the Ark of the Covenant. Specifically.
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New thread! New thread! [chants]
 
Oh, topic-schmopic. :pshaw: I leave it to the mods to rein us in.

I rather like it when topics veer off on tangents. It mimics real life conversations that never remain on topic. I imagine us all sitting around someone’s backyard patio, sipping some wine and eating something deliciously unhealthy for us, discussing religion. And naturally, in scenarios such as this, topics diverge, often into more interesting things!
 
PRmerger said:
Oh, topic-schmopic. :pshaw: I leave it to the mods to rein us in.

I rather like it when topics veer off on tangents. It mimics real life conversations that never remain on topic. I imagine us all sitting around someone’s backyard patio, sipping some wine and eating something deliciously unhealthy for us, discussing religion. And naturally, in scenarios such as this, topics diverge, often into more interesting things!
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stewstew03 said:
New thread! New thread! [chants]
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OK. I will start a new thread in the Sacred Scripture Forum. I’ll post a link here. Just everyone please be forewarned - I will be the OP and the thread will remain on-topic, although of course going off on little tangents for a short while is perfectly acceptable.

This is important to me.

Gotta take the trash out now so it’s gonna be awhile. 🙂
 
LittleSoldier said:
That is why there is a Sacrament of Reconciliation. When I sinned I turned away from God. By confessing and atoning I not only was forgiven by God but received grace in the form of strength to not do that sort of thing again. And now I pay special attention to lying. I don’t lie. I had to forgive myself because if I didn’t I was putting myself above God and that really is pride - an awful sin.

We do. And it’s very unfortunate.
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LittleSoldier said:
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Is the frown related to the cocktail reference, or to the “deliciously unhealthy” comment?

I always wonder if someone’s going to get lathered up about my reference to drinking a cocktail, or to advocating that we eat something deliciously unhealthy.

So if it makes anyone who’s opposed to this comment feel better: you can be drinking a glass of milk and be eating a tofu bar while sitting on someone’s verandah discussing religion. 🙂
 
PRmerger said:
Is the frown related to the cocktail reference, or to the “deliciously unhealthy” comment?

I always wonder if someone’s going to get lathered up about my reference to drinking a cocktail, or to advocating that we eat something deliciously unhealthy.
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Blah…Pietism!
 
+JMJ+
Luvtosew said:
Is this not like talking derogatory about someone in front of everyone, when everyone is aware of who your referring to,

I think its called gossip.
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Good for you to call on that. Now apply that to Jesus calling Mary “Woman” in public.
 
Sorry. No new thread. I’m on vacation for awhile. Maybe for the rest of my life.

See ya. Maybe. Maybe not.

My frown was in reference to the remark about thread being off-topic. Not too long ago I went ahead and posted in a thread that had gone off-topic (I was not the OP) and a lurker (an ex-friend) popped in with a very uncharitable comment about how I had taken the thread off-topic, along with another poster (who I didn’t even know) and how we had used it to our benefit. That was the lurker’s contribution to the thread. I guess he was too busy 🍿 to post anything of real substance.

So I got smacked for something I didn’t do and I get smacked for trying to get a thread back on-topic (well, to be honest, it wasn’t much of a smack at all; just a difference of opinion but it still stung a little and one poster wants a new thread and others don’t and I’m tired of being in the middle) and now I am very, very tired. I’ve already posted everything I wish to say about our Blessed Mother being the Ark of the Covenant. I’m not going to change anyone’s mind. I’m no longer an asset to this thread and I won’t be an asset to any threads on this topic in the near future. Besides, now this thread has gone on to a more interesting topic. Hasn’t it? I don’t think so but what do I know? Squat - that’s what.

So I’m on vacation. I’m going to immerse myself in a ton of horror books (especially those on the occult) and play online horror games all day (especially those on the occult). And go swimming.

Have fun.
 
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