The Art of Killing--for Kids

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spencelo said:
Suppose a man regularly rapes and beats his girlfriend, and one day, a neighbor decides to do the same - but with more “gentleness.” Are the neighbor’s actions okay if he says: “The boyfriend is always much crueler?”
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You’re trying to toss apples into the orange cart here. How can you draw a comparison to raping and beating a human being to the humane killing of an animal for meat? I’m not a hunter, but I am a fisherman and I love nature. Most of the hunters I know love the animals they kill and are thankful to have the opportunity and ability to do so. I don’t really approve of trophy killing, and all the fish I catch get eaten, but what you’re trying to say doesn’t make any sense.

What’s wrong with teaching kids the right way to do something? I can’t wait to take my son out for his first fishing trip, as I’m sure those here who advocate hunting were excited to take their sons and daughters hunting to hand down the knowledge they’ve gained. As always, there’s a right way and wrong way to do something, and of all the hunters I know, they are eager to teach anyone the right way to hunt.
 
spencelo said:
Hunters typically do not hunt the old and sick, but the young and healthy. If hunters truly cared about leaving animals to die of “old age and infirmity,” they would just go after the really sick ones - perhaps first with a tranquilizer and then lethal injection. But no, hunters want to stalk their prey, for hours and hours–because that’s apparently fun.

psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/200907/stalking-hunting-stress-and-emotion
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I’ve heard that they tell people in hunting classes to ask to see a deer’s ID card and check the birth date before shooting it. Maybe I’m misinformed.

But, more seriously – why do you show up here under the guise of starting an honest debate on the issue, then resort to smears and attacks?
 
jc4751 said:
But, more seriously – why do you show up here under the guise of starting an honest debate on the issue, then resort to smears and attacks?
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I do not believe I’ve smeared or attacked anyone, but if I came across that way (to any particular individual), I apologize.
 
spencelo said:
I hope you will come to realize how nonsensical that sounds – is that like loving a dog I beat up for my amusement?
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Killing and beating are two completely different things. A more proper question would be: Would you have your dog put down if it was suffering and nothing could be done for it? Or would you just let it suffer?
 
MaryBernard said:
Killing and beating are two completely different things. A more proper question would be: Would you have your dog put down if it was suffering and nothing could be done for it? Or would you just let it suffer?
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That’s not a proper analogy. I didn’t kill my dog for a “recreational” purpose.
 
spencelo said:
That’s not a proper analogy. I didn’t kill my dog for a “recreational” purpose.
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Hunter’s don’t hunt just for the sake of killing either. That’s what everyone is trying to tell you. They use the meat to feed their families. They help control the population so people are not endangered by animals. Do you have any idea what happens when a car hits a moose? Or even worse, when a motorcyle hits a moose? People get killed.
 
MaryBernard said:
Hunter’s don’t hunt just for the sake of killing either. That’s what everyone is trying to tell you. They use the meat to feed their families. They help control the population so people are not endangered by animals. Do you have any idea what happens when a car hits a moose? Or even worse, when a motorcyle hits a moose? People get killed.
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Those are just rationalizations to justify the unacceptable. Consider: if hunting is such a grave moral responsibility, as you seem to imply, why do hunters get so much pleasure and joy out of doing it? That’s like saying I had a splendid time putting down my dog – can’t wait to do it again to my next one.

outdoorlife.com/blogs/big-buck-zone/2012/03/upside-youth-hunt-remembering-why-hunting-fun
 
spencelo said:
I hope you will come to realize how nonsensical that sounds – is that like loving a dog I beat up for my amusement?
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No, it’s quite different, actually. I remove fish from their natural habitat and toss them into a box to suffocate. I love that fish insofar as it is a creation of God and I’ll love it even more after I filet it, dip it in batter, fry it up and serve it to my family. Loving a pet is more akin to loving a member of your family. I’ve never really taken the time to play fetch with a fish or have him nuzzle up to me while I’m sick in bed. Again, apples and oranges.
 
Cristiano said:
Do you think that farmers do not love the animals that they butcher?
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Some claim to, but I’m skeptical. Could I truly love a child who I raise to be killed and eaten? Perhaps maybe in weird, twisted way I suppose.
 
spencelo said:
Some claim to, but I’m skeptical. Could I truly love a child who I raise to be killed and eaten? Perhaps maybe in weird, twisted way I suppose.
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You sound weird and twisted when you start comparing animals to children, that implies a total lack of understanding of the purpose for existence.
 
spencelo said:
Those are just rationalizations to justify the unacceptable. Consider: if hunting is such a grave moral responsibility, as you seem to imply, why do hunters get so much pleasure and joy out of doing it? That’s like saying I had a splendid time putting down my dog – can’t wait to do it again to my next one.

outdoorlife.com/blogs/big-buck-zone/2012/03/upside-youth-hunt-remembering-why-hunting-fun
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Because it’s fun to do good. It’s fun to provide for your family. It’s fun being in the outdoors and appreciating creation. You’re trying to make hunting out to be something it’s absolutely not. Killing a deer from a tree stand then eating it is as different from putting your sick dog down as white is from black.
 
spencelo said:
Those are just rationalizations to justify the unacceptable. Consider: if hunting is such a grave moral responsibility, as you seem to imply, why do hunters get so much pleasure and joy out of doing it?
It’s not a “grave” moral responsibility. It’s just being mindful of the resources God has given us. So you think it would be better to let the animal population get out of control and destroy innocent human lives? I think human life is more valuable than an animal.
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Cristiano said:
You sound weird and twisted when you start comparing animals to children, that implies a total lack of understanding of the purpose for existence.
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I think he’s been watching too many cartoons.
 
spencelo said:
Some claim to, but I’m skeptical. Could I truly love a child who I raise to be killed and eaten? Perhaps maybe in weird, twisted way I suppose.
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I can’t think of a more ridiculous comparison.
 
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