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vivs3
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yes but Jesus was a Jew and yet he started a new religion… why didn’t he continue on with the Jewish faith huuh?
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vivs3
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Excuse me, but I believe you are a Catholic and yet you are going against what I’m saing. Anyway, tell me please Lapell, do you believe Bahaullah was the resturn of Christ?
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DavidMark
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Yes, Bahá’u’lláh was more “muslim” than all the rest of His countrymen put together.
From childhood He knew His mission, but, as in sleep, He awaited announcing until the Time.
The Qur’an defines the meaning of “muslim”. All the previous Prophet were “muslim” in the sense that They submitted to the command of God and said what He wanted Them to say. The fact that They were not outwardly called Muslims indicates that Prophets could appear after Muhammad, be “muslim” and not called Muslim, as with the Bábís and Bahá’ís.
All the communities make some sort of human errors over time. The Muslims came to think that there would be no more Prophets; but that the Day of Resurrection would come. Not fully understanding what the day of Resurrection was the Jews missed Jesus in the main. As hard as it is to accept for my poor Christian friends, Prophet Muhammad was the resurection of Jesus. He and Ali were the To Witnesses in Revelation 11, and they “stood up” again 3.5 "times, 42 “months” or 1260 years later, in the Persons of the Báb & Quddus. I’m done arguing about it; but it’s never going to change. Ask Them about it in the Hereafter, if you want to wait till then.
From childhood He knew His mission, but, as in sleep, He awaited announcing until the Time.
The Qur’an defines the meaning of “muslim”. All the previous Prophet were “muslim” in the sense that They submitted to the command of God and said what He wanted Them to say. The fact that They were not outwardly called Muslims indicates that Prophets could appear after Muhammad, be “muslim” and not called Muslim, as with the Bábís and Bahá’ís.
All the communities make some sort of human errors over time. The Muslims came to think that there would be no more Prophets; but that the Day of Resurrection would come. Not fully understanding what the day of Resurrection was the Jews missed Jesus in the main. As hard as it is to accept for my poor Christian friends, Prophet Muhammad was the resurection of Jesus. He and Ali were the To Witnesses in Revelation 11, and they “stood up” again 3.5 "times, 42 “months” or 1260 years later, in the Persons of the Báb & Quddus. I’m done arguing about it; but it’s never going to change. Ask Them about it in the Hereafter, if you want to wait till then.
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jen_fla
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i investigated and what i see is false. sorry if that comes off as rude, but i have no right to withhold the truth from you.
says you.
there is a crucial distinction between prophet and false prophet, but what’s more apparent is that you completely ignored the term “false christs.”
4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you: 5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ*: and they will seduce many. Matthew 24
…23 Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. 24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. 25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand. Matthew 24
in fact it would be a good idea for you to read all of Matthew chapter 24. so here we stand with your faith teaching the exact opposite of what Jesus warned about roughly 1800 years beforehand!
and the muslims, baha’i and mormons went against Christ’s words about preaching a new gospel.
you have every right to believe whatever you want to believe, but how you can support Christ out of one side of your mouth and disobey his teachings on the other side exposes the huge hole in your story.
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jen_fla
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and that is fine, just so long as you stop saying that all religions teach the same thing. clearly they do not. :tiphat:
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jen_fla
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you know this post really says a lot. what you are really saying is that even though Christians believe that Christ IS God, we believe they are making a huge mistake. be honest about it, at least the muslims admit what they believe. they are honest enough to see the differences between the two faiths, but yours is not.
i probably wouldn’t even be engaged in this thread if your faith would just admit it is teaching something very different from Christianity!
why can’t you say Catholic/Orthodox Christians have always believed (for 2000 yrs) that Christ IS God, however, we the baha’i (along with the jehovah witnesses) don’t believe that and indeed believe something different. we chose to follow the words of a man come along 1800 years later who sometimes teaches things that are the same as Christians beliefs and sometimes they are not.
why is that so hard to admit?
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jen_fla
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you are totally wrong about this. by making this statement, you are saying the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches once again do not know their own faith and are mistaken. how strange you apply your own meanings to scripture and yet reject the teachings from the Catholic Church that gave you the Bible (NT) in the first place!
St. Athanasius (d. 373): “As the man whom the priest baptizes is enlightened by the grace of the Holy Ghost, so does he who in penance confesses his sins, receive through the priest forgiveness in virtue of the grace of Christ”
i repeat, you are free to believe and reject whatever you want, but you can’t have it both ways and then turn around and say your faith jives with Christianity. it does not and the only way you can sell, “they teach the same thing” is to reject or distort what Christianity actually teaches.
i am sorry if my posts come off as abrasive. i am used to dealing with computers so it might help if you read my words like they were coming from spock.
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arthra
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Read a review of this book in the Harvard Theological Review Vol. 10 and a summary of the review:
“Over interpretation, too subtle an imagination, and excessive readiness to combine things which are disparate, cause ,many blemishes in this book, for all its great learning.” - Clifford H. Moore
books.google.com/books?id=U6oQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA296&lpg=PA296&dq=Samuel+Graham+Wilson&source=bl&ots=d9rQhak__M&sig=jzXYBDAuL-uAJKSKh5CIcRaUufw&hl=en&ei=oXrNSoiQOIrKsAOe2-S6Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#v=onepage&q=Samuel%20Graham%20Wilson&f=false
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jen_fla
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ha, that’s the second time you have brought that up. i can see why you’d want me to go away. i am sorry for not being able to help myself with these: :hypno: and these: :whacky: please don’t take offense, they are my polite way of saying “does not compute, does not compute”
btw, was glad to hear about your kitties! they are incredible, fascinating creatures.
blessings to you and your furry friends.
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jen_fla
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hi vivs3. actually we are under a new covenant that was meant for everyone on this planet, but we believe Christianity is an extension of Judaism. the Mass has it’s roots in Jewish tradition except now the sacrifice on the altar is Christ Himself.
peace.
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arthra
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Jen we’ll be the first to admit that we see it differently…
Yes of course Catholic and Orthodox Christians see it differently… We also have some areas of agreement too…
Your statement:
how strange you apply your own meanings to scripture and yet reject the teachings from the Catholic Church that gave you the Bible (NT) in the first place!
The Bible I believe is part of the spiritual heritage of humanity and not the exclusive property of any one church… It seems over time there was considerable resistence to allowing believers to read it for themselves and “apply meanings to scripture”. I would suggest to you that this “battle” has already been won in favor of the believers to read it in their own language and have the scripture for their own personal devotion and study.
For Baha’is the Qur’an, the Writings of the Bab and Baha’u’llah are also sacred scriptures… Just as the Bible includes Torah the universal Bible of humanity has additional revealed Books I’ve noted.
You cite Athanasius:
St. Athanasius (d. 373): “As the man whom the priest baptizes is enlightened by the grace of the Holy Ghost, so does he who in penance confesses his sins, receive through the priest forgiveness in virtue of the grace of Christ”
Correctly indicating he lived in the fourth century … I would say yes by then he truly reflected the dogmas of his church…and was a party in the conflict within his church…
A good book on this subject is
Rubenstein, Richard E., When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christ’s Divinity in the Last Days of Rome (New York: Harcourt Brace & Company, 1999),
From the review of Amazon:
The Gospel narratives may suggest that Jesus was divine, but they do not insist upon it. Hundreds of years after Jesus’ death, the Church councils made Jesus’ divinity a central tenet of belief among many of his followers. When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christ’s Divinity in the Last Days of Rome by Richard Rubenstein is a narrative history of Christians’ early efforts to define Christianity by convening councils and writing creeds…
amazon.com/When-Jesus-Became-God-Divinity/dp/0151003688/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254981814&sr=8-1
Once again the Baha’i view is that Jesus was a Manifestation of God perfectly reflecting the attributes of God unlike any other in His time…
Yes of course Catholic and Orthodox Christians see it differently… We also have some areas of agreement too…
Your statement:
how strange you apply your own meanings to scripture and yet reject the teachings from the Catholic Church that gave you the Bible (NT) in the first place!
The Bible I believe is part of the spiritual heritage of humanity and not the exclusive property of any one church… It seems over time there was considerable resistence to allowing believers to read it for themselves and “apply meanings to scripture”. I would suggest to you that this “battle” has already been won in favor of the believers to read it in their own language and have the scripture for their own personal devotion and study.
For Baha’is the Qur’an, the Writings of the Bab and Baha’u’llah are also sacred scriptures… Just as the Bible includes Torah the universal Bible of humanity has additional revealed Books I’ve noted.
You cite Athanasius:
St. Athanasius (d. 373): “As the man whom the priest baptizes is enlightened by the grace of the Holy Ghost, so does he who in penance confesses his sins, receive through the priest forgiveness in virtue of the grace of Christ”
Correctly indicating he lived in the fourth century … I would say yes by then he truly reflected the dogmas of his church…and was a party in the conflict within his church…
A good book on this subject is
Rubenstein, Richard E., When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christ’s Divinity in the Last Days of Rome (New York: Harcourt Brace & Company, 1999),
From the review of Amazon:
The Gospel narratives may suggest that Jesus was divine, but they do not insist upon it. Hundreds of years after Jesus’ death, the Church councils made Jesus’ divinity a central tenet of belief among many of his followers. When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christ’s Divinity in the Last Days of Rome by Richard Rubenstein is a narrative history of Christians’ early efforts to define Christianity by convening councils and writing creeds…
amazon.com/When-Jesus-Became-God-Divinity/dp/0151003688/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254981814&sr=8-1
Once again the Baha’i view is that Jesus was a Manifestation of God perfectly reflecting the attributes of God unlike any other in His time…
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jen_fla
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ah, it all makes sense now. you are operating from a position with a warped view about Catholicism. funny when i hear all these slams coming from fundamentalists i always have to ask myself if the CC is so evil how come they aren’t Orthodox?
arthra these are weak arguments protestants claim and each issue has been well addressed on this forum. do a search or better yet pick one topic that leads you to believe that the Catholic Church is not the Church Christ founded and start a new thread. most historians that don’t even believe in Jesus know the historical evidence points to the Catholic Church as the first Christian Church. i don’t blame you as there are tons of anti-catholic writings out there, but if you take the time to really examine you will find that none of them hold water. i say start with one topic, because it takes time. one book from a Catholic bigot needs to be refuted from thousands of writings over thousands of years.
there was Mass before the books of the NT were bound up so to say in one neat little package. in fact the Church existed before the NT was even completed. what scripture they did have though, they read.
On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure. However, no one quarreling with his brother may join your meeting until they are reconciled; your sacrifice must not be defiled. For here we have the saying of the Lord: In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice; for I am a mighty King, says the Lord; and my name spreads terror among the nations. [Mal 1:11,14].
Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (the Didache), 9:2; 14:1, circa 90 A.D.:
On the day called after the sun [Sunday] there is a meeting for which all those dwelling in the cities or in the countryside come together. The records of the Apostles or the writings of the prophets are read as long as time allows. When the reader has stopped, the one who is presiding admonishes and encourages us by a sermon to the imitation of those good examples. St Justin 2nd century
the first printed Bible didn’t come into existence until 1454. Monks reproduced them and they were extremely expensive and time consuming to produce. that is why they were chained to the pulpit… the Bibles, not the monks…
i will not argue with you here on sola scriptura as that just might be the most popular issue on this forum, but you have to admit that there are now numerous Christian churches that teach different things all based on their own personal interpretation. i am really sick of hearing fundamentalists tell people they are going to hell or that God hates &*$#.
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy
there were always members of the Church in dispute and outside heresies trying to make there way in (read about the early Church Fathers rebuttals to the gnostics). protestants like to claim that because certain things weren’t declared UNTIL the council of trent that that somehow means we all of sudden made it up. yet they pick and choose from history to support dubious claims and ignore the vast writings that show otherwise. things that history shows have been observed didn’t need to be spelled out necessarily until the reformation came.
if you truly believe that early Christians did not believe Jesus was truly man and truly God, please by all means start a new thread.
We are not playing the fool, you Greeks, nor do we talk nonsense, when we report that God was born in the form of a man (Address to the Greeks 21 Tatian the Syrian 170 AD.
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jen_fla
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one other thing: if you read overwhelming evidence that the early Church Fathers truly believed in Christ’s divinity and fought the heresies that said otherwise, would that have any affect on your faith? where would that put you?
For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, Father Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them; and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who announced through the prophets the dispensations and the comings, and the birth from a Virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the bodily ascension into heaven of the beloved Christ Jesus our Lord, and his coming from heaven in the glory of the Father to reestablish all things; and the raising up again of all flesh of all humanity, in order that to Jesus Christ our Lord and God and Savior and King, in accord with the approval of the invisible Father, every knee shall bend of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth (Against Heresies 1:10:1) St Irenaeus AD 189.
To the Church beloved and enlightened after the love of Jesus Christ, our God, by the will of him that has willed everything which is (Letter to the Romans 1) - St Ignatius of Antioch A.D. 110.
Although he was God, he took flesh; and having been made man, he remained what he was: God (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:0:4) - Origen A.D. 225.
Only [God’s] Word is from himself and is therefore also God, becoming the substance of God (Refutation of All Heresies 10:33 [A.D. 228]).
For Christ is the God over all, who has arranged to wash away sin from mankind, rendering the old man new (ibid. 10:34).Hippolytus
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Badi1919
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Today’s Link :
Baha’i Personal Attacks on Bayani Icons
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Baha’i Personal Attacks on Bayani Icons
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DavidMark
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Arthra, don’t you fel like we’re blowing hot air, teaching a couple of people who are not really interested?
We are preaching to the choir too, but I have gained insights from you, in how to explain things. It is pracatice for me in my other writings. Everyone is just repeating, and for what?
Jen said: “i repeat, you are free to believe and reject whatever you want, but you can’t have it both ways and then turn around and say your faith jives with Christianity. it does not and the only way you can sell, “they teach the same thing” is to reject or distort what Christianity actually teaches.”
…and she will not see that this is exactly what happened before, that Christ and His apostles re-interpreted traditions and re-directed the spiritual life of mankind, saying that the same God revealed the Burning Bush and the Nazarene, but the Jews wouldn’t have it, in general. The Message appeared among them first, and they sold their birthright, so it went to the Gentiles. It DID have the same spirit, but the Jews keep insisting it does not, it does not, until they have made the denial of Jesus a plank of their platform, and the Catholics are doing it again, getting hung up on the differences of certain teachings and missing the spirit, the fruits, the truth of the prophecies, and the testimonies to Christ.
Leave them. Unless I find a sincere seeker, as I have in other threads, I see no point here.
Consort with all men, O people of Bahá, in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship. If ye be aware of a certain truth, if ye possess a jewel, of which others are deprived, share it with them in a language of utmost kindliness and goodwill. If it be accepted, if it fulfill its purpose, your object is attained. If anyone should refuse it, leave him unto himself, and beseech God to guide him. Beware lest ye deal unkindly with him. A kindly tongue is the lodestone of the hearts of men. It is the bread of the spirit, it clotheth the words with meaning, it is the fountain of the light of wisdom and understanding. (Bahá’u’lláh, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 15)
We are preaching to the choir too, but I have gained insights from you, in how to explain things. It is pracatice for me in my other writings. Everyone is just repeating, and for what?
Jen said: “i repeat, you are free to believe and reject whatever you want, but you can’t have it both ways and then turn around and say your faith jives with Christianity. it does not and the only way you can sell, “they teach the same thing” is to reject or distort what Christianity actually teaches.”
…and she will not see that this is exactly what happened before, that Christ and His apostles re-interpreted traditions and re-directed the spiritual life of mankind, saying that the same God revealed the Burning Bush and the Nazarene, but the Jews wouldn’t have it, in general. The Message appeared among them first, and they sold their birthright, so it went to the Gentiles. It DID have the same spirit, but the Jews keep insisting it does not, it does not, until they have made the denial of Jesus a plank of their platform, and the Catholics are doing it again, getting hung up on the differences of certain teachings and missing the spirit, the fruits, the truth of the prophecies, and the testimonies to Christ.
Leave them. Unless I find a sincere seeker, as I have in other threads, I see no point here.
Consort with all men, O people of Bahá, in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship. If ye be aware of a certain truth, if ye possess a jewel, of which others are deprived, share it with them in a language of utmost kindliness and goodwill. If it be accepted, if it fulfill its purpose, your object is attained. If anyone should refuse it, leave him unto himself, and beseech God to guide him. Beware lest ye deal unkindly with him. A kindly tongue is the lodestone of the hearts of men. It is the bread of the spirit, it clotheth the words with meaning, it is the fountain of the light of wisdom and understanding. (Bahá’u’lláh, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, p. 15)
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arthra
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Jen,
It’s all good… Generally we Baha’is are not interested in the polemics between protestants , catholics and orthodox… that’s really an area you need to work out say at an interfaith dialogue maybe at World Council of Churches…and I sincerely believe it would serve humanity to do that…
The thread topic asked about Baha’i Faith …
It’s all good… Generally we Baha’is are not interested in the polemics between protestants , catholics and orthodox… that’s really an area you need to work out say at an interfaith dialogue maybe at World Council of Churches…and I sincerely believe it would serve humanity to do that…
The thread topic asked about Baha’i Faith …
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jen_fla
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then why do you keep accusing the Catholic Church of wrong doing in the exact same manner that protestants do? so far you have told me confession to the Priest is wrong, the Eucharist is foolish, Catholics didn’t want anyone to read the Bible, and that Jesus was not God etc. you can believe all that, but it is mind blowing that you actually think those things are true of the Christian faith. how would you like it if i told you what your faith taught? pretty insulting and silly don’t you think?Jen,
It’s all good… Generally we Baha’is are not interested in the polemics between protestants , catholics and orthodox… that’s really an area you need to work out say at an interfaith dialogue maybe at World Council of Churches…and I sincerely believe it would serve humanity to do that…
The thread topic asked about Baha’i Faith …
- Art
i thought it would be helpful for you to actually know what we believe instead of listening to the lies.
if you would accept that we have always believed that Christ is indeed God, then you would have to really think about what your faith teaches when it places buddha as his equal and labels them both merely human “manifestations” of God and claims that they along with mohammed and krishna teach the “same message.”
was only trying to open up your eyes to reason.
and david mark’s analogy is highly erroneous as he does not have a good grasp on orthodoxy and what fulfillment means. a new covenant was made and traditions change over time, but the central tenants are the same. the OT spoke of the messiah to come and in the NT Jesus said no more new Christs…EVER. when bahá’u’lláh preached a new gospel and claimed himself to be another Christ, he contradicted the basic beliefs of Judeo-Christianity. while Jews do not accept Christ as the Messiah to come it still could be a possibility based on scripture, yet there is no possibility for a second Christ to come according to the NT. and there is no possibility of Jews accepting your second Christ because of what he teaches about buddha, krishna and mohammed. see the problem there?
not giving you a hard time just for the sake of blowing hot air, but because it is for your benefit to learn the truth about Catholic/Orthodox Christianity.
i still think you are very nice people and would make great neighbors.
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arthra
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Jen,
Sorry you are taking it so hard… !
We Baha’is didn’t start this thread but since it is here anyway we feel an obligation to present correct information about our Faith so you will know more about it. I think you’ll agree that even if you disagree it is important to have accurate information.
We Baha’is bear no animosity toward your church as you seem to be suggesting… We do believe that the Gospels contain the teachings of Jesus but are in some respects inaccurate.
Yes we do not have priests or Mullahs in our religion… Our marriages are authorized by our elected institutions in the various states according to our laws…
Actually our attitude is that spiritual communion is just that a spiritual experience without a priest or ritual:
*The Supper of the Lord which His Highness the Spirit ate with the apostles was a heavenly supper and not one of material bread and water, for material objects have no connection with spiritual objects. As at that time material food was also present, therefore the leaders of the religion of Christ thought that it was material food which was changed into spiritual food. *
The proof that it was not material food is this: The apostles upon many occasions partook of material food with His Highness Christ, yet the supper of that night became designated as the “Lord’s Supper.” From this designation it is plain and evident that they ate heavenly food at that supper. That heavenly food consisted of the love of God, the knowledge of God, the mysteries of God and the bestowal of God.
~ Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith, p. 390
Our belief as I have posted here is that Jesus Christ was a Manifestation of God and not God as you believe. Yes in saying that it means to you that we disagree with what you’ve been taught and what you may recite in church…but so it is.
The authority we Baha’is accept are the revealed Writings of our Faith and not so much what I say or David says or any other Baha’i… Revealed Writings for us mean that they have been authenticated and correctly translated similar perhaps to what you have in your church when there is an imprimatur in a book or teaching.
Finally we Baha’is believe that the major religions have a common Source…
Abdul-Baha explained:
Read the Gospel and the other holy books. You will find their fundamentals are one and the same. Therefore unity is the essential truth of religion and when so understood embraces all the virtues of the human world.
~ Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith p. 245
I realize this also is a departure from the teachings and beliefs of many Christians but it is nonetheless our belief.
So I wish you every success and blessing from God…
Sorry you are taking it so hard… !
We Baha’is didn’t start this thread but since it is here anyway we feel an obligation to present correct information about our Faith so you will know more about it. I think you’ll agree that even if you disagree it is important to have accurate information.
We Baha’is bear no animosity toward your church as you seem to be suggesting… We do believe that the Gospels contain the teachings of Jesus but are in some respects inaccurate.
Yes we do not have priests or Mullahs in our religion… Our marriages are authorized by our elected institutions in the various states according to our laws…
Actually our attitude is that spiritual communion is just that a spiritual experience without a priest or ritual:
*The Supper of the Lord which His Highness the Spirit ate with the apostles was a heavenly supper and not one of material bread and water, for material objects have no connection with spiritual objects. As at that time material food was also present, therefore the leaders of the religion of Christ thought that it was material food which was changed into spiritual food. *
The proof that it was not material food is this: The apostles upon many occasions partook of material food with His Highness Christ, yet the supper of that night became designated as the “Lord’s Supper.” From this designation it is plain and evident that they ate heavenly food at that supper. That heavenly food consisted of the love of God, the knowledge of God, the mysteries of God and the bestowal of God.
~ Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith, p. 390
Our belief as I have posted here is that Jesus Christ was a Manifestation of God and not God as you believe. Yes in saying that it means to you that we disagree with what you’ve been taught and what you may recite in church…but so it is.
The authority we Baha’is accept are the revealed Writings of our Faith and not so much what I say or David says or any other Baha’i… Revealed Writings for us mean that they have been authenticated and correctly translated similar perhaps to what you have in your church when there is an imprimatur in a book or teaching.
Finally we Baha’is believe that the major religions have a common Source…
Abdul-Baha explained:
Read the Gospel and the other holy books. You will find their fundamentals are one and the same. Therefore unity is the essential truth of religion and when so understood embraces all the virtues of the human world.
~ Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith p. 245
I realize this also is a departure from the teachings and beliefs of many Christians but it is nonetheless our belief.
So I wish you every success and blessing from God…
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Lapell
Guest
Here you are wrong. Originally the disciples of Jesus were Jews and went to the synagogue and to the Temple. But Jesus claimed to be God come in a human flesh (though this is denied by the non-Christians, Jews included), and since the disciples kept claiming this, they were expelled from the synagogues gradually and then officially banned by the Jewish authorities who consider this to be a blasphemy which too many people were believing then.
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DavidMark
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“Not a hundred people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.” -Bishop Sheen
This seems to be a great misconception on the part of the non-Catholics!
Just 50+ more posts, Lapell, and you will reach 3,000! WOW! Whee! Whoa?
Moses and the prophets looked forward to the coming of the Messiah, which was Jesus; and by denying Him, they denied the foundation of their own faith!
John5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
This indicates that Moses actually wrote or caused the Pentateuch to be written. In the same way, Baha’is also believe that Jesus was “the Author of the Gospel” --its’ Inspiration. He did not start a new faith; He renewed the ancient faith for those who were receptive. Muhammad did the same. The Báb did the same. Baha’u’llah has done the same. It cannot be denied fairly. Their roots are in the Abrahamic tradition, which is promised to encompass the earth.
*** And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them…this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ***(Matthew 24:3-4 & 14)
In 1844, the new calendar, marking the new Dispensation, began on March 21st, the 1rst of Nisan, exactaly 2300 years from the 1rst of Nisan 456 BC, when the decree to re-build Jerusalem was issued.
In the mid-nineteenth century, a very great evangelistic movement spread out from England and America to Africa and China and so on. It seemed Islam was sleeping, and was not concerned with taking the Qur’an to the Americas. But if they had, it was a gospel that told of Jesus and the other prophets. Everything has sped up since then!
During the Ten Year Crusade, (1953-1963) Baha’is established communities in two hundred and sixty countries, territories and islands, and the number of localities where Bahá’ís resided increased to over eleven thousand.
What is this new chapter in God’s everlasting Gospel?
It implies an organic change in the structure of present-day society, a change such as the world has not yet experienced. It constitutes a challenge, at once bold and universal, to outworn shibboleths of national creeds – creeds that have had their day and which must, in the ordinary course of events as shaped and controlled by Providence, give way to a new gospel, fundamentally different from, and infinitely superior to, what the world has already conceived. It calls for no less that the reconstruction and the demilitarization of the whole civilized world – a world organically unified in all the essential aspects of its life, its political machinery, its spiritual aspiration, its trade and finance, its script and language, and yet infinite in the diversity of the national characteristics of its federated units.(Shoghi Effendi)
This seems to be a great misconception on the part of the non-Catholics!
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Moses and the prophets looked forward to the coming of the Messiah, which was Jesus; and by denying Him, they denied the foundation of their own faith!
John5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
This indicates that Moses actually wrote or caused the Pentateuch to be written. In the same way, Baha’is also believe that Jesus was “the Author of the Gospel” --its’ Inspiration. He did not start a new faith; He renewed the ancient faith for those who were receptive. Muhammad did the same. The Báb did the same. Baha’u’llah has done the same. It cannot be denied fairly. Their roots are in the Abrahamic tradition, which is promised to encompass the earth.
*** And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them…this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ***(Matthew 24:3-4 & 14)
In 1844, the new calendar, marking the new Dispensation, began on March 21st, the 1rst of Nisan, exactaly 2300 years from the 1rst of Nisan 456 BC, when the decree to re-build Jerusalem was issued.
In the mid-nineteenth century, a very great evangelistic movement spread out from England and America to Africa and China and so on. It seemed Islam was sleeping, and was not concerned with taking the Qur’an to the Americas. But if they had, it was a gospel that told of Jesus and the other prophets. Everything has sped up since then!
During the Ten Year Crusade, (1953-1963) Baha’is established communities in two hundred and sixty countries, territories and islands, and the number of localities where Bahá’ís resided increased to over eleven thousand.
What is this new chapter in God’s everlasting Gospel?
It implies an organic change in the structure of present-day society, a change such as the world has not yet experienced. It constitutes a challenge, at once bold and universal, to outworn shibboleths of national creeds – creeds that have had their day and which must, in the ordinary course of events as shaped and controlled by Providence, give way to a new gospel, fundamentally different from, and infinitely superior to, what the world has already conceived. It calls for no less that the reconstruction and the demilitarization of the whole civilized world – a world organically unified in all the essential aspects of its life, its political machinery, its spiritual aspiration, its trade and finance, its script and language, and yet infinite in the diversity of the national characteristics of its federated units.(Shoghi Effendi)
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