"The Baha'i Faith"

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frantony…

Thanks for posting …

Actually Bahais don’t claim Baha’u’llah was the “last prophet” from God.

Baha’u’llah means the “Glory of God”.

Baha’u’llah never claimed to be an incarnation of God… in fact we Bahis don’t believe in the concept of “incarnation” as many Christians and Hindus do…

Jesus we believe was a Manifestation of God as was Baha’u’llah. The “Son of God” we believe was a title of the Lord Jessu indicating His spiirtual relationship with God just as Abraham was the Friend of God…
Please with no disrespect to you but this is more than just heresy. Please do not USE THE NAME OF JESUS IN YOUR FAITH. Jesus is the INCARNATE WORD OF GOD. THE BIBLE THAT YOU PRESUMABLY USE TELLS YOU THIS AND THE TEACHINGS OF THE 12 APOSTLES (SUCH AS PETER, JOHN, MATTHEW, ETC…). YET YOU DENY IT OPENLY AND ACCEPT SOME OTHER AS YOUR ENLIGHTMENT? ANY OTHER GOSPEL OTHER THAN THAT WHICH WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE LORD’S APOSTLES IS FALSE NOT MATTER HOW NICE, INTERESTING, HUMBLE, WISE, LOVING, COHERENT IT MAY BE. REMEMBER THE MORMONS WITH THEIR BOOK. I READ SOME OF IT AND FOUND THERE TO BE TRUTH. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? It seems that everyoene is a prohet and has a new revelation or gospel.

I’m testing the spirits as you say and I cannot FIND truth in your religion because it does not harmonize with the GOSPEL TRUTH OF THE BIBLE. Finding PEACE AND HARMONY in your religion does not validate it as a true faith.

It would take many pages in this thread for me to explain so I refrain for now. Please understand that I neither judge you, for I can assume that you are peaceable, but neither can I reasonably accept the distorted explanations of the bible which your religion professes.

I do keep an open mind and I will further my reading into your religion. God Bless.🙂
 
Restraint is the better part of valour my friend. Even though Bahai beliefs are heretical we need not resort to anger. It is unchristlike and unbecoming of a christian.

If i am wrong about the supposed antagonism in your post i apologise, I simply take the capitalisation as emblematic of anger (raised voice)
 
Humble Maid is insistent that I reveal my own attitude toward the passages from John 20:27 and 8:24. This will involve me speaking about Jesus, who is part of our faith. I perceive people are irritated because we celebrate our love of Jesus …and then express love for another. But we do not see Bahá’u’lláh as “other”. Truth is truth, and not in conflict with itself.
You have yet to see the sameness of spirit in Jesus and Bahá’u’lláh; so when you stress the divinity of Jesus to us, it is moot. It is like teaching Christians about Moses, whom they already accept, and was as true as Jesus. If you accept that Moses was the bearer of a divine Revelation, does it matter what His title was?
The miracles of Moses are enough for the Jews; yours are enough for you. God willing in at least a thousand solar years, Bahá’ís will not be veiled when the Divine Manifestation walks among us again. But it is our belief that now is Bahá’u’lláh’s Dispensation, and to batter each other in here is unbecoming. We should learn from each other ecumenically.

Accounts of any miracles, whether they were the birth, the healings, or the resurrection, are wonderful to the hearts after they believe; and I never stopped believing in Christ; but I want to stress that it His sustaining teachings that follow me wherever I go, not miracles. It was Thomas who had doubts about the resurrection, not me. Why did Jesus do things like passing through walls and eating with them if not to emphasize that He will always be with them? It is not His body my soul craves, but His guiding counsel. Is it not enough to have Him still alive in our hearts? Is it not enough that the Book has been sent down in the form of a man?

Take heed lest ye be prevented by aught that hath been recorded in the Book from hearkening unto this, the Living Book, Who proclaimeth the truth: “Verily, there is no God but Me, the Most Excellent, the All-Praised.” (Bahá’u’lláh, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 67)

Again I stress that if God can speak from a Bush, He can and will continue to speak from Men, and not just any men, but that higher order of Being between men and God.

One of the quotes Catholics have at the bottom of their posts here is “We are the only body of Christ in the world…” or something like that. For those who believe that, they don’t need to feel the wound. The immortal spirit of Christ is beyond wounds now.
Every time there is a Divine Manifestation, it is for the salvation and edification of humanity; some will follow, some won’t. Bahá’ís want to share the story of, our Best-Beloved, but accepting Him is between you and God. Some will, some won’t.

Christ came from Heaven, down to the world of mortality. Yet He was born of Saint Mary; we know His return was in the same manner. There were miracles involved with the double advent of the Báb and Bahá’u’lláh, but they should not constitute a proof of the Revealtions. It is the teachings, the fruits of the Tree of Life. Their value comes when they are applied to the sick body of mankind.

I would also like to know how people reacted to the posts of important interpretation in #624-626.
 
Dear David,

It seems to me that you never answer my question directly. You go around the bush so to speak. In post #603 you stated that you would do more studying on the scriptures I gave you. Please, in all honesty, provide myself and the CAF members with an direct answer to the question. If not I respect you nonetheless. I will paste some of my post #603 here:

Christ’s divinity in the Pauline epistles
According to St. Paul, the superiority of the Christian revelation over all other Divine manifestations, and the perfection of the New Covenant with its sacrifice and priesthood, are derived from the fact that Christ is the Son of God (Hebrews 1:1 sq.; 5:5 sq.; 2:5 sq.; Romans 1:3; Galatians 4:4; Ephesians 4:13; Colossians 1:12 sq.; 2:9 sq.; etc.). The Apostle understands by the expression “Son of God” not a merely moral dignity, or a merely external relation to God which began in time, but an eternal and immanent relation of Christ to the Father. He contrasts Christ with, and finds Him superior to, Aaron and his successors, Moses and the Prophets (Hebrews 5:4; 10:11; 7:1-22; 3:1-6; 1:1). He raises Christ above the choirs of angels, and makes Him their Lord and Master (Hebrews 1:3; 14; 2:2-3), and seats Him as heir of all things at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 1:2-3; Galatians 4:14; Ephesians 1:20-21). If St. Paul is obliged to use the terms “form of God”, “image of God”, when he speaks of Christ’s Divinity, in order to show the personal distinction between the Eternal Father and the Divine Son (Philippians 2:6; Colossians 1:15), Christ is not merely the image and glory of God (1 Corinthians 11:7), but also the first-born before any created beings (Colossians 1:15), in Whom, and by Whom, and for Whom all things were made (Colossians 1:16), in Whom the fulness of the Godhead resides with that actual reality which we attach to the presence of the material bodies perceptible and measurable through the organs of our senses (Colossians 2:9), in a word, “who is over all things, God blessed for ever” (Romans 9:5).
Now if you believe in Christ and one should obey the apostle’s teaching then what do you make of this? I would like to add another point if I may and that is the spiritual discernment that St. Paul taught the true believers. All religions can profess kinship with the bible and/or love and peace and even wisdom but only one has the truth. Here is the scripture:

Galatians 1:8-10But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. 9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? If I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
 
I have no problem with Paul but I was not waiting for Paul. Christ mercifully converted such a sword into a plowshare, and used him to cultivate His Cause…

Physical nearness or remoteness is of no importance; the essential fact is the spiritual affinity and ideal nearness. Judas Iscariot was for a long time favored in the holy court of His Holiness Christ, yet he was entirely far and remote; while Paul, the apostle, was in close embrace with His Holiness. (Tablets of 'Abdu’l-Baha, vol. 3, pp. 719-720)

That St. Paul on occasion disputed with St. Peter is seen from St. Paul’s own words in the Epistle to the Galatians, 2:11-14. It is also St. Paul who mentions early divisions among the Christians, which he endeavours to heal, in I Corinthians 1:11-13. St. Peter’s attitude to St. Paul appears in II Peter 3:15-18. (The Universal House of Justice, 1998 Feb 22, Station of Paul)

Now, Bahá’u’lláh’s Light is Christ’s Light albeit you may abhor it, and Christ and Paul are in His heavenly Kingdom, which is above time and space. I am not what matters here. I simply convey what Bahá’u’lláh and His Successor conveyed, and that is not anathema.
If you or others tangle with this new Revelation, it has nothing to do with me. It is God.

Praise God Paul was awakened on the road to Damascus!
**If a soul remains far from the Manifestation, he may yet be awakened; for he did not recognize the Manifestation of the Divine perfections. But if he loathe the Divine perfections themselves -in other words, the Holy Spirit -it is evident that he is like a bat which hates the light. **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, SAQ 127-8)

If you see divine perfections in Jesus Who lived 2000 years ago, why do you not see them again in the Qa’im & the Qayyum (He Who will Arise & The Self-Subsistent) Who lived 150years ago? By what criteria do you believe in one and not the other? ‘You SHALL know them by their fruits.’ What are the fruits of each? Not anathema, but Paradise. Just as people mistake hell-fire for Paradise, could they possibly see Paradise and mistake it for hell-fire?

New books were promised to Christians. A new book is opened in Revelation chapters 5, 10, & 20. Bahá’u’lláh, the Living Book, breaks the seals that were on our understanding of the prophecies and obscure passages from the past. See Kitab-i-Iqan, the most important Baha’i Book, after the Kitab-i-Aqdas. Pray don’t be like 'Muslims" who think their Book is the very last that God can reveal!

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Compare that with this passage from the Holy Qur’án, which mentions the Twin Trumpet Blasts of the Báb & Bahá’u’lláh:
**And there shall be a blast on the trumpet, and all who are in the Heavens and all who are in the Earth shall expire, save those whom God shall vouchsafe to live. Then shall there be another blast on it, and lo! Arising they shall gaze around them: And the earth shall shine with the light of her lord, and the Book shall be set, and the prophets shall be brought up, and the witnesses; and judgment shall be given between them with equity; and none shall be wronged. **(Sura 39 - The Troops)

So God will judge us all, each and every single one…

For the believers of that Day are the inmates of Paradise, while the unbelievers are the inmates of the fire. And know thou of a certainty that by Paradise is meant recognition of and submission unto Him Whom God shall make manifest, and by the fire the company of such souls as would fail to submit unto Him or to be resigned to His good-pleasure.
On that Day thou wouldst regard thyself as the inmate of Paradise and as a true believer in Him, whereas in reality thou wouldst suffer thyself to be wrapt in veils and thy habitation would be the nethermost fire, though thou thyself wouldst not be cognizant thereof.
(Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 82)
 
You can imagine that after 40 years as a Baha’i, I have faced opposition, which still is nothing compared to the cruelty faced by the Baha’is in Iran and other ‘Muslim’ countries.
The seven members called Yaran (the Friends) who tried to keep organization going amongst the Iranian Baha’is, have been imprisoned for nearly two years, and their trial date has been cancelled, re-scheduled for today months ago, and now cancelled again, because the country’s leaders are the ones terrified of what they themselves might do!
If they release them, they are saying they are free to be Baha’is; if they murder them without a trial as they have done others, they will be excoriated by international opinion; and if they hold a trial, they have no evidence against them except their own prejudices that the Baha’i World Centre is in Israel etc.

When I came to this thread, I faced similar prejudice. One said Baha’is are a cult. Such a person has not read or thought and probably won’t. They are unaware that none of the characteristics of cult apply to Baha’i.

I sympathized with the Catholics who are gun-shy of non-catholic religions attacking them.
I am not here for that, since I live with and love Catholics as people, as I do all others,
but I am constrained to convey what I feel the Lord wants conveyed. Issues like trans-substantiation or priests and confession to priests, times of prayer, what prayers, methods of prayer, diet, times of fasting …I don’t see the need of discussing, unless someone brings it up specifically. What matters is authority. Is Bahá’u’lláh Who He says He is or not? If He is the Promised One, whatever He wishes is Law.

Humble Maid quotes Galatians to me and I re-read the whole epistle again, and I urge everyoe to seek what virtues and perfections this new Manifestation possessed, because the historical record is rich with His actions, and His response to the actions of others.
Paul, writing to the Galatians 5:22 says 5:22 **But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, **5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. O God grant me each of these virtues!

And from Matthew
7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Isn’t it interesting that the passage Humble Maid quotes twice warns of anathema/being cursed …and the passage above from Matthew twice mentions how prophets will be known! But there are no seekers. They quickly dismiss the opportunity to read and think.
The Gospel has long been accessible and it will never gather the sheep into one fold.
But this new Gospel has been accomplishing it, and will accomplish it completely.
 
The Gospel has long been accessible and it will never gather the sheep into one fold. But this new Gospel has been accomplishing it, and will accomplish it completely.
Not without worship structure or leadership of some kind. That, and you have no musical tradition, you have bans on images, and you have the Eucharist to contend with.

Not going to happen. Ever.
 
One of the secondary things I’ve admired about Cathlic schools is the uniforms. It keeps thoughts from being distracted by styles.

As to the organization of the schools: if possible the children should all wear the same kind of clothing, even if the fabric is varied. It is preferable that the fabric as well should be uniform; if, however, this is not possible, there is no harm done…(Selections from the Writings of Abdu’l-Baha, p. 135)

A world civilization is being incubated as we speak. Global musical traditions have yet to arise from a global culture. I see many artists of all kinds expressing themelves, alone or in choirs. Look past the secondary developments and look to the Source, if you can.
 
I wonder just how this is done. For the Baha’i Writings probably have to take precedence over the Bible and the Qur’an, I suppose… unless the versions of the Qur’an and of the Bible the Baha’is have would probably have commentaries by Baha’ullah, or by a subsequent Baha’i teacher, of the kind DavidMark has quoted in some of his posts, would they not?
Probably the easiest thing to do would be to attend a Baha’i devotional meeting and that way you could see for yourself… these are informally set up by the Baha’is in many places.

You can also access the Baha Writings online and see the references made to earlier sacred scriptures…

reference.bahai.org/en/
 
I am surprised: Christians not allowed to read the Qur’an? Who forbids them to do so? The government of those countries?
I think this is largely due to deep mutual distrust and cultural issues… Prejudice on both sides that keep people apart and opposed to one another.

Some years ago you may have heard that Kahlil Gibran was excommunicated by his church… the Syrian Orthodox Church

*because as very few people know, Khalil Gibran was excommunicated from the Catholic Church after the publication of Spirits Rebellious. The Maronite authorities later rescinded his excommunication and he was given an elaborate funeral.

Why would such a great man be excommunicated from the Church? Well, the quote selected by another star of the Arab-American community, Washington Post Middle East correspondent Anthony Shadid, illustrates Gibran’s controversial views rather well.*

“I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.”

Source:


74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:A_OATKnOr8YJ:www.ajjan.com/2007/04/kahlil-gibran-spirit-of-excommunicated.html+Kahlil+Gibran+excommunicated&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

SO there has been strong prejudices and barriers between people. I would not have known about this myself had I not had a Syrian roommate in College who explained it to me.
 
In 1975 I wrote an article for the Tulsa Star, a tabloid owned by a Lebanese man named Rahal, featuring the drawing of 'Abdu’l-Bahá made by Gibran in Boston in 1912, and the story told about his encounter with and influence from Bahá’í. The picture might be found somewhere on the Web with the right word search.
 
Yes I have that photo of the drawing by Kahlil Gibran.

Since this thread is still going along David maybe it would be appropriate to saay something about the Holy Day the Birth of the Bab…

Baha’i Holy Day to be observed…

From the book “The Bab, The Herald of the Book of Days” by H.M. Balyuzi:

Siyyid (or Mirza) 'Ali-Muhammad, known to history as the Báb, was the son of Siyyid (or Mir) Muhammad-Rida, a mercer of Shiraz.(1) He was born on October 20th 1819 (Muharram 1st, 1235 A.H.). Through both His father and His mother He was descended from Imam Husayn,[1] the third Imam. Thus He stood in direct line of descent from the Prophet Muhammad.

According to Mirza Abu’l-Fadl-i-Gulpaygani, Siyyid Muhammad-Rida, the Báb’s father, died when his only child was an infant, unweaned. Then the care of the child devolved upon a maternal uncle, Haji Mirza Siyyid 'Ali. He was the only relative of the Báb to espouse His Cause openly during His lifetime and, as will be seen, to accept martyrdom for His sake. But according to a manuscript history of the Bábí-Bahá’í Faith in Shiraz by Haji Mirza Habibu’llah-i-Afnan,[2] Siyyid Muhammad-Rida passed away when his son was nine years old, and 'Abdu’l-Bahá appears to confirm this account.[3]

[1 He was the son of Fatimih and 'Ali.]
[2 Haji Mirza Habibu’llah’s father, Aqa Mirza-Aqa, was a nephew of the wife of the Báb, and his paternal grandfather, Aqa Mirza Zaynu’l-'Abidin, was a paternal cousin of the father of the Báb. (See Foreword for other details of the manuscript.)]
[3 Browne (ed.), A Traveller’s Narrative, Vol. II, p. 2.]

Two of Siyyid Muhammad-Rida’s paternal cousins rose to eminence in the ranks of the Shí’ah divines, and both bore allegiance, in strict secrecy, to their kinsman when His claim to be ‘the Qá’im of the House of Muhammad’ became publicly known. The father of Mirzay-i-Shirazi, named Mirza Mahmud, was a noted calligraphist, and was uncle to the father of the Báb.

The other celebrated ecclesiastic, cousin to Siyyid Muhammad-Rida, was Haji Siyyid Javad, the Imam-Jum’ih[1] of Kirman. It was Quddus who gave this dignitary the news of the advent of the Báb. Haji Siyyid Javad extended his protection to Quddus, despite the clamour of his adversaries.
[1 Literally, ‘The Leader of Friday’ – the leading imam (he who leads the congregation in prayer) in a town or city.]

The mother of the Báb was Fatimih-Bagum. She was the daughter of Mirza Muhammad-Husayn, a merchant of Shiraz, and had three brothers. Of these, Haji Mirza Siyyid 'Ali became the guardian of the Báb, while Haji Mirza Siyyid Muhammad and Haji Mirza Hasan-'Ali, although not enlisted in the ranks of the followers of their illustrious Nephew, feature in His story.


Starting this evening (October 19th to sunset October 20th) Baha’is around teh world will be observing the Birth of the Bab the Forerunner of Baha’u’llah… Being a Holy Day Baha’is will not suspend work and school.

 
**
This fatherhood and sonship are allegorical and symbolical. The Messianic reality is like unto a mirror through which the sun of divinity has become resplendent.
If this mirror expresses “The light is in me” - it is sincere in its claim; therefore Jesus was truthful when he said, “The Father is in me.”
The sun in the sky and the sun in the mirror are one, are they not? - and yet we see there are apparently two suns. **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Divine Philosophy, p. 152)
 
Probably the easiest thing to do would be to attend a Baha’i devotional meeting and that way you could see for yourself… these are informally set up by the Baha’is in many places.

You can also access the Baha Writings online and see the references made to earlier sacred scriptures…

reference.bahai.org/en/
So you can’t answer me yourself?
 
I think this is largely due to deep mutual distrust and cultural issues… Prejudice on both sides that keep people apart and opposed to one another.

Some years ago you may have heard that Kahlil Gibran was excommunicated by his church… the Syrian Orthodox Church

*because as very few people know, Khalil Gibran was excommunicated from the Catholic Church after the publication of Spirits Rebellious. The Maronite authorities later rescinded his excommunication and he was given an elaborate funeral.

Why would such a great man be excommunicated from the Church? Well, the quote selected by another star of the Arab-American community, Washington Post Middle East correspondent Anthony Shadid, illustrates Gibran’s controversial views rather well.*

“I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.”

Source:


74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:A_OATKnOr8YJ:www.ajjan.com/2007/04/kahlil-gibran-spirit-of-excommunicated.html+Kahlil+Gibran+excommunicated&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

SO there has been strong prejudices and barriers between people. I would not have known about this myself had I not had a Syrian roommate in College who explained it to me.
Were you once Catholic yourself to comment on a case of excommunication in Catholicism? Even though I didn’t know about it, I tend to not rely just on an information from an outsider when it’s detrimental to the Catholic authorities. You might have some interest in spreading doubt among us, even though there have been cases of bad behaviour from some people in authority, even some popes… Are you sure it was a case of excommunication and not a warning issued against his writings? Did you get it from the Osservatore Romano of that time? When was it issued?
 
**
This fatherhood and sonship are allegorical and symbolical. The Messianic reality is like unto a mirror through which the sun of divinity has become resplendent.
If this mirror expresses “The light is in me” - it is sincere in its claim; therefore Jesus was truthful when he said, “The Father is in me.”
The sun in the sky and the sun in the mirror are one, are they not? - and yet we see there are apparently two suns. **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Divine Philosophy, p. 152)
This good example of the Sun and the Mirror written above from Abdul Baha: Could you tell me in what year was that spoken or written?? Thank you. And where did he present it??
 
Abdu’l-Baha’s talks on Divine Philosophy, together with a short introductory history, was compiled and published by Isabel Fraser Chamberlain from His talks in 1918, I believe. The whole text is available online. bahai-library.com/books/div.phil/
 
From Bahá’í Sacred Scriptures:
**"Say: O concourse of monks! Seclude not yourselves in churches and cloisters. Come forth by My leave, and occupy yourselves with that which will profit your souls and the souls of men. Thus biddeth you the King of the Day of Reckoning.
Seclude yourselves in the stronghold of My love. This, verily, is a befitting seclusion, were ye of them that perceive it. He that shutteth himself up in a house is indeed as one dead. It behooveth man to show forth that which will profit all created things, and he that bringeth forth no fruit is fit for fire.
Thus counseleth you your Lord, and He, verily, is the Almighty, the All-Bounteous.
Enter ye into wedlock, that after you someone may fill your place.
We have forbidden you perfidious acts, and not that which will demonstrate fidelity. Have ye clung to the standards fixed by your own selves, and cast the standards of God behind your backs?

Fear God, and be not of the foolish. But for man, who would make mention of Me on My earth, and how could My attributes and My name have been revealed? Ponder ye, and be not of them that are veiled and fast asleep. He that wedded not** [Jesus]** found no place wherein to dwell or lay His head, by reason of that which the hands of the treacherous had wrought. His sanctity consisteth not in that which ye believe or fancy, but rather in the things We possess.
Ask, that ye may apprehend His station which hath been exalted above the imaginings of all that dwell on earth. Blessed are they who perceive it." **
And again: **"O concourse of monks! If ye choose to follow Me, I will make you heirs of My Kingdom; and if ye transgress against Me, I will, in My long-suffering, endure it patiently, and I, verily, am the Ever-Forgiving, the All-Merciful.

…Bethlehem is astir with the Breeze of God. We hear her voice saying: ‘O Most Generous Lord! Where is Thy great glory established? The sweet savors of Thy presence have quickened me, after I had melted in my separation from Thee. Praised be Thou in that Thou hast raised the veils, and come with power in evident glory.’ We called unto her from behind the Tabernacle of Majesty and Grandeur: ‘O Bethlehem! This Light hath risen in the orient, and traveled towards the occident, until it reached thee in the evening of its life. Tell Me then: Do the sons recognize the Father, and acknowledge Him, or do they deny Him, even as the people aforetime denied Him [Jesus]?’

And again: **“Consider, likewise, how numerous at this time are the monks who have secluded themselves in their churches, in My name, and who, when the appointed time came, and We unveiled to them Our beauty, failed to recognize Me, notwithstanding that they call upon Me at dawn and at eventide.”
“Read ye the Evangel,” **He again addresses them, "and yet refuse to acknowledge the All-Glorious Lord? This indeed beseemeth you not, O concourse of learned men!.. The fragrances of the All-Merciful have wafted over all creation. Happy the man that hath forsaken his desires, and taken fast hold of guidance."
 
Were you once Catholic yourself to comment on a case of excommunication in Catholicism? Even though I didn’t know about it, I tend to not rely just on an information from an outsider when it’s detrimental to the Catholic authorities. You might have some interest in spreading doubt among us, even though there have been cases of bad behaviour from some people in authority, even some popes… Are you sure it was a case of excommunication and not a warning issued against his writings? Did you get it from the Osservatore Romano of that time? When was it issued?
Thanks for your note Lapell…

I have no interest whatsoever in spreading doubt among Catholics.

My response is that I was sharing an example of the tensions in the East between Muslim and Christain communities …

Strongly attached to the Maronite Catholic tradition, though he was excommunicated by the Maronite church for Spirits Rebellious, a book that criticized the structure of the church and the state. Wanted to show the basic similarities and unity between Islam and Christianity. He had previously dreamed of building an edifice in Beirut with a church’s dome and a mosque’s minaret.

Source:

74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:UX8iznJSqnIJ:www.adc.org/index.php%3Fid%3D1171+Kahlil+Gibran+excommunicated&cd=18&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Gibran’s excommunication was from his church … the Syrian Maronite church…

See:

evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/gibran02.htm

books.google.com/books?id=n5BlBsFbGOQC&pg=PR15&lpg=PR15&dq=Kahlil+Gibran+excommunicated&source=bl&ots=e1H2E9RydG&sig=LRMFpCVLoh29VTLwDAQcz0SM2Gs&hl=en&ei=J4neSsTpMYK2sgOhmezQDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Kahlil%20Gibran%20excommunicated&f=false

Later in his life Gibran was to meet Abdul-Baha when He visited the US in 1912 and was very impressed with Him.

The Baha’is encourage reducing tensions between groups and reconciling polarized groups is resisted by those who seem to have perhaps an interest sometimes in conflict at least that’s how I see it.
 
Abdu’l-Baha’s talks on Divine Philosophy, together with a short introductory history, was compiled and published by Isabel Fraser Chamberlain from His talks in 1918, I believe. The whole text is available online. bahai-library.com/books/div.phil/
Thanks DavidMark for reply. I was much interested in your analogy of the Sun and the Mirror which has been presented here by you quite a few times. It seems to emanate from Abdul Baha. But an Indian Muslim scholar had presented the same logic about the image of the Sun in the Mirror in year 1870 AD (Approx.) So could it be that Abdul Baha came to know about that Mirror logic from the published work of that Indian Muslim scholar?

Next we proceed to the idea of the Mirror calling itself Sun. That will not be true. The Mirror cannot claim to be the Sun. God talking to Moses in Bush (Even though He said, “I am Your God.”) does not mean that Bush was God. The sound may be coming from the Bush and it may appear to be saying “I am your God.” But would that mean that Bush could be God? I hope not.

We can say that God manifested Himself through the Bush. But the Bush could never be the God. Only the voice came from the Bush.

Let us say that God speaks to some one from behind a curtain. Will you say that curtain was the God? Or did any curtain claim to be God? or did the Bush claim that it was god or had any right to claim divinity??

But we see that Bahaullah claimed to be God because (he thought that) God manifested Himself through Bahaullah. According to your theology (baha’i beliefs), If God manifested Himself through Jesus then Jesus could be God. If God manifested Himself through Moses then Moses could say that he was God. If God manifested Himself through a stone then that Stone could claim some divinity?? Is that right please??

Also please explain about the Mirror and the Sun theory being quite well known before Bahaullah or Abdul Baha. Could that be true? Known in year 1870 etc.
 
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