The Baptist Church and it's policy on baptism

[campeador]

Army worms.

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[Jim_Dandy]

Romans 10 : 17 Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word Of God

For adults, this is true. For young ones, it is not.

The Bible is not a systematic instruction book in Christianity. Christ left us the Church as our teacher. The Church was the agent of the Holy Spirit in writing the NT and forming the Bible.

A sentence does not a doctrine make. One must read the entire NT and take into account the teaching of the Church at the time the NT was written to even begin to understand the meaning. And the reason the ‘book’ was written must also be taken into account. A holistic approach. For example, Paul’s letters were written in response to problems that arose in the local Church communities he had personally established and instructed. The Corinthians, the Galatians, the Thessalonians, etc., already knew their doctrine, having been taught orally. Paul had no need to tell them again; he was addressing misunderstandings and behavior problems that had developed. Proof-texting invariably leads to error.

Jim Dandy

 

[Jim_Dandy]

It is not calvinism that we spread with evangelical fervor but the gospel because we do not know who has the green stripe on their back and who does not

drywall

But, you see, your gospel and the gospel of other denominations differ. Ay, there’s the rub. Christ and His Apostles taught only one gospel, not a plethora of gospels. The truth subsists in the Church Christ founded – the Catholic Church, who received the full, complete deposit of faith directly from the Apostles and has been teaching it for 2000 years.

Jim Dandy

 

[crazzeto]

I know of people that are born again Christians but their parents are not and I know parents that are not christains and some of their chrildern are born again Christians

Romans 8: 16 I have recieved the witness of the Spirit of God that I am his son, and no I won’t go to hell. I belong to God and my God is faithful to keep me from falling

drywall

drywall,

do you have any thoughts regarding my passage from Luke?

 

[JonNC]

answer to first question, because all the elect are born with a green stripe on their back and only Calvinist have a green stripe

drywall

I’ve honestly never heard of this green stripe thing? What are its origins, and where can I find it in scripture?

Thanks,
Jon

 

[campeador]

I’ve honestly never heard of this green stripe thing? What are its origins, and where can I find it in scripture?

Thanks,
Jon

I was really hoping you’d get an answer to your questions.

 

[drywall]

drywall,

do you have any thoughts regarding my passage from Luke?

My thoughts are that this passage in not about infant baptism or the faith of men that brought the sick man to Jesus, but about the power of Jesus to forgive sin and heal the sick. But more (name removed by moderator)ortantly it is about who Jesus was, the Son of the live God.

drywall

 

[crazzeto]

My thoughts are that this passage in not about infant baptism or the faith of men that brought the sick man to Jesus, but about the power of Jesus to forgive sin and heal the sick. But more (name removed by moderator)ortantly it is about who Jesus was, the Son of the live God.

drywall

But you admit, the one man’s sins were forgive because of the faith of the other men… NOT because of his own faith or capacity to have faith. Do you deny this?

 

[drywall]

I’ve honestly never heard of this green stripe thing? What are its origins, and where can I find it in scripture?

Thanks,
Jon

it’s a joke

drywall

 

[drywall]

But you admit, the one man’s sins were forgive because of the faith of the other men… NOT because of his own faith or capacity to have faith. Do you deny this?

but would the sick man have agreed to go if he did not have faith himself

drywall

 

[jlhargus]

Originally posted by Jim Dandy: If yours is the correct interpretation, why do Lutherans, Presbyterians, and other Bible-only Christians baptize their babies?

Drywall, you overlooked (or ignored) the question above. Your answer, please?

Big time Baptist Charles Templeton, was the #2 guy in the Billy Graham ministry who preached the Once Saved Always Saved (aka Preservation of the Saints) doctrine of the “elect” all over the world, Was God faithful to keep him from falling, even though he died an atheist? His atheism was just an illusion, I 'spose, and he went straight to heaven like all of the “elect.”. Jim Dandy

JL: Jim, Drywall ignors questions he can’t answer. I’m still waiting for him to answer my following questions

JL: With your tradition infants cannot be saved as they cannot first believe?

JL: By the way if children are BORN SAVED wouldn’t that contradict OSAS. If one is saved from birth and can’t lose their salvation they would NEVER have to repent, be baptized FOR REMISSION OF SINS, RECEIVE the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.
What is the purpose of BEING BORN AGAIN if you are in the kingdom already and CAN’T LOSE YOU SALVATION? Your tradition not only contradicts scripture it contradcit’s your own teaching of OSAS. It would also contradict the teaching ALL HAVE SINNED, without exception.

JL: Do children who are UNCLEAN, auto, go to heaven also?

 

[JonNC]

it’s a joke

drywall

Yeah, I realize that now.

OTOH, sometimes one never knows.

Jon

 

[campeador]

but would the sick man have agreed to go if he did not have faith himself

drywall

Of course.

His faith was in his companions doing what they thought best for him. Just as children have complete and total faith in their parents, and parents know how to give good gifts to their children. Luke 11:11-13

 

[crazzeto]

but would the sick man have agreed to go if he did not have faith himself

drywall

And now you start twisting to find ways to put a “green stripe” on this mans back. Lets make this simple,

yes or no, the faith of this mans friends was good enough for Christ to forgive him of his sins and heal him. Your answer sir?

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Originally posted by Jim Dandy: If yours is the correct interpretation, why do Lutherans, Presbyterians, and other Bible-only Christians baptize their babies?

JL: Jim, Drywall ignors questions he can’t answer. I’m still waiting for him to answer my following questions

¡Exactamente!

 

[drywall]

And now you start twisting to find ways to put a “green stripe” on this mans back. Lets make this simple,

yes or no, the faith of this mans friends was good enough for Christ to forgive him of his sins and heal him. Your answer sir?

sure, his friends faith would have part of the reason, just as we parents have faith that God will save our children, but along the way our children must devolope their own faith, We plant the seed of faith by teach them the Gospel, but it is the Holy Spirit that waters the seed to make it grow.

drywall

 

[JonNC]

sure, his friends faith would have part of the reason, just as we parents have faith that God will save our children, but along the way our children must devolope their own faith, We plant the seed of faith by teach them the Gospel, but it is the Holy Spirit that waters the seed to make it grow.

drywall

I don’t understand, then drywall, why this faith of parents doesn’t apply to bringing their infant to the Holy Spirit in Baptism, where the child is marked with the cross of Christ, and parents and Godparents, and the entire congregation promise to see to it that the child does hear the Gospel, is brought up in the faith, and avails him/herself to the sacraments - the means of grace, etc.

Jon

 

[crazzeto]

I don’t understand, then drywall, why this faith of parents doesn’t apply to bringing their infant to the Holy Spirit in Baptism, where the child is marked with the cross of Christ, and parents and Godparents, and the entire congregation promise to see to it that the child does hear the Gospel, is brought up in the faith, and avails him/herself to the sacraments - the means of grace, etc.

Jon

I’m at a loss too (drywall), if the faith of this persons friends were enough to forgive his sins in this instance in the Gosple of Luke, then why does the same not happen in the senario of infant baptism. My child, 3 months by birth (she was born at 32wks) was baptised not long ago. It was my faith, and the faith of my wife which stood for the faith of my child, as well as that of her God parents my sister and her husband, our families and friends in attendance. We all pledged baptismal promises in her stead, and in particular we her parents promised to raise her in the faith, true to the orthodox doctrine of Jesus Christ.

So where is the fault in infant baptism drywall?

 

[JonNC]

I’m at a loss too (drywall), if the faith of this persons friends were enough to forgive his sins in this instance in the Gosple of Luke, then why does the same not happen in the senario of infant baptism. My child, 3 months by birth (she was born at 32wks) was baptised not long ago. It was my faith, and the faith of my wife which stood for the faith of my child, as well as that of her God parents my sister and her husband, our families and friends in attendance. We all pledged baptismal promises in her stead, and in particular we her parents promised to raise her in the faith, true to the orthodox doctrine of Jesus Christ.

So where is the fault in infant baptism drywall?

Well, I would say that, while our faith led us to bring our children to baptism, their sins are forgiven by the water and the word, the Holy Spirit, in Baptism.

Congratulations, btw, on your child’s birth and rebirth at Baptism. I pray she is in good health.

Jon

 

[crazzeto]

Well, I would say that, while our faith led us to bring our children to baptism, their sins are forgiven by the water and the word, the Holy Spirit, in Baptism.

Congratulations, btw, on your child’s birth and rebirth at Baptism. I pray she is in good health.

Jon

Thank you so much, your kind words are appreciated. She is very well and growing like a weed! We were shocked to learn that she’s already weight wise average for her (birth) age!