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In the Solesmes Congregation, of which I am an oblate and which is very conservative, the vows of profession of a monk and promise of an oblate are stability, conversion of life, and obedience:
I believe in the Holy Rule (Chapter 58 I think?) it says that Monks should profess Stability, Conversion, and Obedience. I have seen commentaries where it discusses chastity and poverty in terms of the vow to obedience, and I have also seen them discussed in terms of the vow to conversion. The specific statement was that it was impossible to have a conversion of morals as a monk without embracing chastity and poverty.

Peace,
 
Norcia monks present their newly produced beer to the Pope

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/08/norcia-monks-present-their-newly.html

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Another reason to love the Benedictines in case anyone needs one. 😉
Shhhh . . . don’t tell the Fundamentalist Protestants. 😃
Sorry I didn’t see this earlier.

The monastery I am talking about is Cistercian/Trappist. The Trappists might be different. I really don’t know. I’m sorry I didn’t make that clear.

The vocations director told me that obedience, stability and ongoing conversion are the three vows, and that poverty and chastity by command of the abbot and are therefor implied in the vow of obedience.

That’s just what I was told.

-Tim-
The Cistercians are part of the Benedictine family. They make the same vows as the rest of the family: obedience, stability, conversion of manners. Chastity is required of all Christians. Poverty is defined by the Rule of St. Benedict.

If you observe the Franciscan rite of profession, we don’t profess the three Evangelical Consels as specifically as other communities do either. Our rite says:

" I, Brother N, Vow and promise to Almighty God, to the Blessed Virgin Mary, to all the angels and saints and to you Brother, to observe the Rule of the Friars Minor in obedience to our Holy Father Francis, living in poverty and in chastity. . . " One makes only one vow, “to observe the rule in obedience to Francis.” The poverty and chastity were tagged on centuries later by the Church.

Basil, Benedict, Augustine, Bernard, Robert, Bruno, Francis, Dominic and Albert were more insistent on obedience. Chastity is a given for everyone. Poverty is regulated by the statutes of each institute, the rule or both.

It’s not the abbot or the priors who decide how one observes poverty. It’s the Rule and the chapter. The abbot and priors simply enforce the law. They don’t decide. They as bound to obey the law as anyone else.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Shhhh . . . don’t tell the Fundamentalist Protestants. 😃
They drink beer, its just lousy beer and they try to hide it from everyone. 😉

Around here and when I lived in East Tennessee, the running joke is that if you go fishing with two baptists, don’t bring any beer, but if you go fishing with one baptist, bring a whole bunch of it. 😃
 
Question for those Oblates on the forum.

How do you balance the detachment from the things of the world called for in the Holy Rule, with our obligation as Catholics to engage the culture such as Pope Benedict’s call for evangelization and participation in the political process? Many on CAF have joked that some monks seem almost oblivious to what is going on in the world, but obviously as members of the laity, we are called to live our lives in the world and to engage in the culture.

If I had one concern so far on the Benedictine approach it would be this.

I look forward to your responses.

Peace of Christ,

Jason
 
Question for those Oblates on the forum.

How do you balance the detachment from the things of the world called for in the Holy Rule, with our obligation as Catholics to engage the culture such as Pope Benedict’s call for evangelization and participation in the political process? Many on CAF have joked that some monks seem almost oblivious to what is going on in the world, but obviously as members of the laity, we are called to live our lives in the world and to engage in the culture.

If I had one concern so far on the Benedictine approach it would be this.

I look forward to your responses.

Peace of Christ,

Jason
Good question. Actually good lots of questions, because your question packs many issues into one question.

I’ll start by saying that one of the things that startled me when I became involved with the monastery to which I eventually became oblate of, was the fact that the monks are extremely up-to-speed on what is going on in the world. Far from being oblivious to what goes on, they know very well what goes on through their contacts such as oblates (who sometimes act as their news feed…); in particular with ecclesiastical issues but also with issues in general, social mores, etc. They also watch newspapers and when important events are happening, will watch the news on TV or use the Internet.

Obviously when it comes to the political process, monks can’t go out on the hustings, but they do vote!

I think the issue of detachment is not one of either ignoring what goes on, nor an issue of being passive about the issues. Detachment means not letting those issues rule your life, lest they take on a life form of their own and become a form of idolatry, or something that feeds our ego. For us as laity, I think falling into the trap of letting issues rule us is especially dangerous, and one reason why study of the Rule can help us remember our humility and avoid falling into that trap.

There’s no reason why, for instance, an oblate could not work in some form of pro-life ministry. But such work should be approached with humility, recognition of our own limitations, not as a means to take the limelight, and especially, the issue shouldn’t consume us to the point that we neglect other important Christian duties especially to our families.

Working in the political process would have to take the same approach. It would surprise me to see an oblate become a candidate for instance because of the hubris involved. Moreover “active involvement in the political process” has many levels and meaning. I’m not particularly attracted to that milieu, but I think “active involvement” can simply mean informing ourselves of the issues, the candidates’ stands on those issues, and making a prayerful and enlightened choice in the voting booth (it’s a pertinent issue for me as we are in the middle of a provincial election campaign at the moment, and there’s a very important issue at play, the desire of the nationalist party to have a “secularism charter” that would prohibit the display of any religious symbols or clothing by state employees… this to me smacks of discrimination, but I digress).

As for evangelization, that perhaps is the easiest one to answer. In the Benedictine spirit evangelization should not be confused with proselytism. Benedictines evangelize very quietly, by making an effort to live a life of peace and joy that one wants to emulate, not by proselytizing. It’s part of the Benedictine charism.

It’s important to note that detachment doesn’t mean avoiding issues, but it relates to how we approach them and how we maintain balance without letting the issues gain the upper hand on our lives. I think the key phrase is letting go. When something doesn’t go our way… say our preferred candidate loses the election…we need to be able to let go and move on. That, I think, is where detachment plays an essential role. It equally applies to material things. For instance my work and geographic locale requires that I own an automobile. Prior to my religious conversion, cars consumed far too big a role in my life. I’d spend Saturday mornings washing and polishing it, I’d spend too much on it, I’d drive a fancy car that fed my ego. Now I drive a practical compact hatchback that gets good mileage (I have a long commute), and once in a while I drive it through the car wash. I don’t obsess over every little nick and scratch. I maintain it well, because the Rule teaches us to treat every material object as one of the sacred objects of the altar, but it doesn’t rule me, at least not as much as in the past. That’s part of the conversion process, and I do find one loses one’s urge to accumulate material things.
 
For anyone who is interested, I have started a Facebook group for discussion of Monastic Spirituality. I am hopeful that it can be a place for Catholics in the Latin Church such as those affiliated with the Benedictine or Carthusian Family to have discussions with Eastern Christians, both Catholic and Orthodox, who obviously have an incredible and rich monastic tradition of their own.

For some reason, there are many people who avidly discuss Catholicism and Orthodoxy on Facebook but who do not wish to come to a forum specifically for that purpose. I am hopeful that this page can capture some of those as well as some of the great members we have here as well.

facebook.com/groups/433142983396259/

Peace of Christ,
 
Don’t forget, there is a difference between apathy and detachment. Monastics are not apathetic. Have you ever watched the old episodes of Mother Angelica? She was very vocal on the issues of our day and she’s a monastic. Writers like Thomas Merton were also very vocal on the issues of the day, as was St. Bernard, founder of the Cistercians and St. Benedict himself.

Friars have a joke among us. If you want to know what’s going on in the world, visit a monastery.

Detachment is the virtue by which I let go of what I cannot fix and trust God. I focus on the present moment and what I can do from where I am.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Don’t forget, there is a difference between apathy and detachment. Monastics are not apathetic. Have you ever watched the old episodes of Mother Angelica? She was very vocal on the issues of our day and she’s a monastic. Writers like Thomas Merton were also very vocal on the issues of the day, as was St. Bernard, founder of the Cistercians and St. Benedict himself.
Thanks for that. As you have most likely realized, I am not good at keeping my mouth shut on issues which I feel are important. I was getting concerned that I was not going to end up being a very good Oblate. Now, if I can only work on the *other *999 reasons that I will probably not be a very good Oblate.
Friars have a joke among us. If you want to know what’s going on in the world, visit a monastery.
Interesting, and funny. I had not heard that before. Notwithstanding the fact that St. Benedict was not a fan of gossip, I suppose the monastery became a place where all travelers stopped at on long journeys which naturally lead to passing on the news, and invariably, gossip, which came with the people themselves.
Detachment is the virtue by which I let go of what I cannot fix and trust God. I focus on the present moment and what I can do from where I am.
Thanks again.
 
Thanks for that. As you have most likely realized, I am not good at keeping my mouth shut on issues which I feel are important. I was getting concerned that I was not going to end up being a very good Oblate. Now, if I can only work on the *other *999 reasons that I will probably not be a very good Oblate.
Let me ask you this? Are you married? If so, did you go looking for the 1,000 reasons not to get married?
Interesting, and funny. I had not heard that before. Notwithstanding the fact that St. Benedict was not a fan of gossip, I suppose the monastery became a place where all travelers stopped at on long journeys which naturally lead to passing on the news, and invariably, gossip, which came with the people themselves.
You’re right. Monasteries offered hospitality to travelers. Later, they became centers of education. Today, they are still centers of study. Monks and nuns are not out of the loop. They certainly do care about what’s happening in the world, probably in a better way than most of us.

I have a good friend who’s a Carthusian. I realize that Carthusians are not part of the Benedictine School. They’re a creature unto themselves. For those who don’t know, they’re in New England. They were very close to the explosion of the Boston sexual abuse scandal.

A few years later, I visited my friend. I asked him about it. He smiled and said that they knew all about it. The superior keeps them informed of what goes on in the world. They do get together once a week. So I asked him how he managed to keep such a calm demeanor in light of the harm done to so many children and their families, in light of the fact that so many men were truly sick people and in light of the scandal. His response blew me away. It was the most rational response that I’ve heard to date. He responded with questions.
  1. Does jumping up and down change what has happened?
  2. Does name calling change what has happened?
  3. Does a witch hunt make things better?
  4. Are justice and revenge the same thing?
  5. Are you doing what you can do from where you are?
  6. Would you surrender your interior silence to sin?
He proceeded to explain that the Church and civil authorities must do what is just. But justice never violates interior silence. If you find that your quest for justice does not allow you to have peace, then it’s not justice what you’re after, it’s something else and you should sit down and do some discerning of spirits.

It helped me a great deal.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Let me ask you this? Are you married? If so, did you go looking for the 1,000 reasons not to get married?
Yes, I’m married. As for reasons, I wouldn’t say I was actively looking, but I certainly seemed to find them for a long time. 😉

I get your point though, and I appreciate it. I guess there are just times when I wonder if I should really be seeking out new and exciting ways to be a lousy Christian. 😃
 
Remember being an oblate is a work in progress. We promise obediance, stability and conversion. The latter is not instantaneous, and the other two depend on it. The 12 degrees of humility start at the first degree. It’s a life-long process to make it to the twelfth. Being received as an oblate or a monastic is the beginning of a journey, not a destination.

May God bless you on your walk towards Him.
 
Remember being an oblate is a work in progress. We promise obediance, stability and conversion. The latter is not instantaneous, and the other two depend on it. The 12 degrees of humility start at the first degree. It’s a life-long process to make it to the twelfth. Being received as an oblate or a monastic is the beginning of a journey, not a destination.

May God bless you on your walk towards Him.
I know, I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but I really appreciate the words of encouragement regardless. 🙂 I told Saint Benedict when I was praying the other night that if he lets me into his family, he had better realize that I am going to need help!
 
For anyone who is interested, I have started a Facebook group for discussion of Monastic Spirituality. I am hopeful that it can be a place for Catholics in the Latin Church such as those affiliated with the Benedictine or Carthusian Family to have discussions with Eastern Christians, both Catholic and Orthodox, who obviously have an incredible and rich monastic tradition of their own.

For some reason, there are many people who avidly discuss Catholicism and Orthodoxy on Facebook but who do not wish to come to a forum specifically for that purpose. I am hopeful that this page can capture some of those as well as some of the great members we have here as well.

facebook.com/groups/433142983396259/

Peace of Christ,
Interestingly, a Benedictine Monk in England has a blog doing the exact thing which I want to do with the Facebook page that I started. His blog, Monks and Mermaids is… written by a monk and is about monasteries and the spiritual life, both Catholic and Orthodox. I sent an inquiry to his Monastery in England in the hopes that he might consider joining my little page and sharing some of his insights.
 
Earlier in the thread, the idea of Benedictine Theology was brought up. The statement was made that there was in fact a distinctive Benedictine Theology, but that it was typically only taught to Monks who were going to seminary. However, in the approx. 1500 year tradition of the Benedictine Family, I have a hard time believing that no books were written and shared with the rest of the world. So, with that in mind, is there a Benedictine “Summa” or seminal theological work of some kind? My hunch is to look into the writings of the saint who’s feast day is today, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, but I am likely missing many others.

Peace,
 
Earlier in the thread, the idea of Benedictine Theology was brought up. The statement was made that there was in fact a distinctive Benedictine Theology, but that it was typically only taught to Monks who were going to seminary. However, in the approx. 1500 year tradition of the Benedictine Family, I have a hard time believing that no books were written and shared with the rest of the world. So, with that in mind, is there a Benedictine “Summa” or seminal theological work of some kind? My hunch is to look into the writings of the saint who’s feast day is today, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, but I am likely missing many others.

Peace,
In the Catholic Church, there is only one theology. That is Catholic theology. However, there are different schools and different approaches to Catholic theology. There is certainly a Benedictine approach. To get the full effect of it, one has to read the writings of the Benedictine family.

There is no Benedictine Summa, just as there is no Franciscan Summa. But there is an entire Benedictine School. You have many great Benedictine, Cistercians, Trappists, Camaldolese and other Benedictine writers. If you want Benedictine Spirituality on prayer, go no further than Thomas Merton. If you want a Benedictine perspective on Mariology, go no further than St. Bernard. The master on Christ’s obedience is the big papa himself, St. Benedict.

There is not a single area of theology that the Benedictines have not written about. Remember, they’re not all under the name Benedictine. It’s often easy to forget that Cistercians, Trappists, and Camaldolese are also Benedictines.

It is also true that until Merton came along, there was a custom among the Benedictines not to share their scholarship with the laity for fear of contamination. It was shared with other religious, but not with laymen. In fact, that’s why Merton wrote under his birth name, Thomas, rather than his religious name, Louis Merton. It was the first time in a very long time that Benedictine writing was going outside the cloister. To avoid having it connected with the cloister, the abbot thought it best if it was published by Thomas Merton and not Louis Merton.

The greatest Benedictine work around is the Imitation of Christ. Only recently have we found out that Thomas a’ Kempis was not his real name. Again, that Benedictine custom of not sharing with the outside world. But if you look at the work, it is based on some heavy theology.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
In the Catholic Church, there is only one theology. That is Catholic theology. However, there are different schools and different approaches to Catholic theology.
Thanks for that. I meant to express it that way, but was in a hurry I guess.
There is certainly a Benedictine approach. To get the full effect of it, one has to read the writings of the Benedictine family.
There is no Benedictine Summa, just as there is no Franciscan Summa. But there is an entire Benedictine School. You have many great Benedictine, Cistercians, Trappists, Camaldolese and other Benedictine writers. If you want Benedictine Spirituality on prayer, go no further than Thomas Merton. If you want a Benedictine perspective on Mariology, go no further than St. Bernard. The master on Christ’s obedience is the big papa himself, St. Benedict.
Thanks, I have already looked into those writers and have books either on my list to read, or on order from the various branches of the Benedictine Family. I don’t believe I have anything from a Camaldolese writer as of yet, but I do have writings from both Catholic and Orthodox Monks from the OSB, as well as Cistercians of both the Common and Strict Observance. If its one thing I can do in short order, its compile a reading list. :o It drives my wife a bit nuts…😃

Of course, the majority of my reading right now is made up of the Rule and solid commentaries on it. In particular, i’ve been meaning to get St. Bernard’s book on Mary.

Quick question for you. I asked another member about this earlier but you might have some perspective as well. There are some who make the claim that some of Merton’s writings mixed Zen Buddhism along side of Catholic Spirituality. Do you have any thoughts on that? I have one book on Merton on the subject of St. John Cassian but have been a bit hesitant to go beyond that because of those claims.
There is not a single area of theology that the Benedictines have not written about. Remember, they’re not all under the name Benedictine. It’s often easy to forget that Cistercians, Trappists, and Camaldolese are also Benedictines.
I did find that surprising at first, but was able to figure it out in relatively short order. To their credit, the OSB website has some good information detailing those relationships.
It is also true that until Merton came along, there was a custom among the Benedictines not to share their scholarship with the laity for fear of contamination. It was shared with other religious, but not with laymen. In fact, that’s why Merton wrote under his birth name, Thomas, rather than his religious name, Louis Merton. It was the first time in a very long time that Benedictine writing was going outside the cloister. To avoid having it connected with the cloister, the abbot thought it best if it was published by Thomas Merton and not Louis Merton.
Interesting trivia. I had not heard that before. Thanks!
The greatest Benedictine work around is the Imitation of Christ. Only recently have we found out that Thomas a’ Kempis was not his real name. Again, that Benedictine custom of not sharing with the outside world. But if you look at the work, it is based on some heavy theology.
I appreciate that recommendation. Quick question, Amazon has Kempis listed as an Augustinian and so does his Wikipedia bio. Thoughts?

Peace of Christ,

Jason
 
Quick question for you. I asked another member about this earlier but you might have some perspective as well. There are some who make the claim that some of Merton’s writings mixed Zen Buddhism along side of Catholic Spirituality. Do you have any thoughts on that? I have one book on Merton on the subject of St. John Cassian but have been a bit hesitant to go beyond that because of those claims.
There is a very traditionalist group out there, traditionalist to the extreme, that does not understand Merton’s research and work. Merton produced several types of writing: poetry, that’s pretty straightforward. He also wrote great guides on contemplative prayer. That’s a second type of writing. He wrote on social situations and tried to apply the Church’s social teachings to these situations. These are not his best works. They’re very confusing. I believe that they are confusing because they’re coming from the mind of a contemplative who is looking at social issues vertically, from the top down. Those of us who do not have the gift or the vocation to the contemplative life, can’t see the world from that perspective. His final form of writing was comparative spirituality.

Comparative spirituality does exactly what it says. It studies multiple forms of spirituality: Shinto, Buddhist, Hinduism, Islam, Jewish, Christian and other. It looks for common elements and the differences. This area of spirituality has helped shape the Church’s teaching on ecumenism. That’s why the radical traditionalist hates Merton, as if Merton were the only one to write on this. He was the most scholarly writer, but not the only writer on this.

What we have found through this area of theology is that God constantly tries to make himself felt among all men. That non-Catholics have not been abandoned. The evidence is in the fact that we find elements of our spirituality in other faiths and philosophies. Merton points to them.

Another important contribution of this branch of theology is that it has helped us discover methods of prayer that are useful to the Christian, especially the contemplative monk or nun. A method is not a doctrine. It’s a way of doing something, not a doctrinal statement about what you’re doing. For example, when Christian monks sit on the floor resting their bum on their ankles, that’s a eastern posture. But what they have found is that it is very natural, more so than sitting on a hard wooden bench in a choir. You can actually sit that way for a longer period of time without getting tired.

Finally, Comparative Spirituality points to differences in our spirituality. These differences are very important in order to open a dialogue with people of other faiths. One of the reasons that Christianity never took off in the Far East as it did in Europe is that the Asian cultures were very advanced civilizations. The Christians could not suppress them as they did to the Europeans and the European colonies. But they could not dialogue with them either, because they did not understand their worldview, much less their spirituality and all of its symbols and gestures. Today, we’re making more progress. One man who tried very hard to Christianize Buddhism rather than obliterate it was St. Maximilian Kolbe when he was the superior in Japan. He had learned this from a letter written by St. Francis Xavier who admitted that if he could only understand, he could make converts.
I appreciate that recommendation. Quick question, Amazon has Kempis listed as an Augustinian and so does his Wikipedia bio. Thoughts?
I have seen that too. However, he is always referred to and refers to himself as a monk, not as a canon. There was a group of Augustinians that no longer exists that lived according the Benedictine tradition. It was the first group that St. Augustine founded. They did not die out. They evolved into the Canons Regular of St. Augustine and a splinter group evolved into the Augustinian Friars, which are mendicant.

Given the age of the work, my guess is that Kempis may have belonged to this group of Augustinian monks. These monks were Augustinian, because they were founded by Augustine, but they followed the Benedictine way of life. This would make sense, because when Augustine finally writes his rule, it reads like a photocopy of Benedict’s rule. However, Augustine replaces Benedict’s vows with the Evangelical Counsels. But this is long after he had founded his monastic community.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
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