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Can you barely speak English because you’re originally from Texas, or because you’re originally not from Texas 😉

Sorry for the levity!
Ha! 😃

I’m actually from Iowa originally but it is certainly a bit different down here. To be fair to Texans though, Louisiana and Tennessee were far worse when it came to accents. We miss Louisiana quite a bit.

The comment was actually just a general slam on my own level of intelligence. My humor tends to run to the self-deprecating kind.
 
Good stuff. I want more. 🙂

Can we split this into a thread on the spirituality thread?
 
Thanks also for keeping it on the Traditional Forum. I think the overall contribution of the religious orders to Catholic tradition is too important to ignore. Alas it often is and. Exause of this there’s great misunderstanding about some practices that are, in fact, steeped in tradition, such as free standing altars with tabernacles in side chapels.

A little perspective from Benedictines (and other orders) if it serves to reduce the divide between traditionalists and more on contemporary Catholics might be a good thing.
 
I would like to ask for a link to an article about the “Cloister in the Heart” (or similar name). At the time the article was recommended here on CAF the original link was broken.

Is anyone familar with the article? Does anyone have a copy?

I will also agree with everyone else that life goes so much better when I focus on “doing the laundry with love” and not the in-fighting on an issue that doesn’t really concern me and that I have no control over. Question is, why is it so hard to remember that lesson?! :o
 
This quote is really helpful to me. I have printed it out and I am carrying it with me to take out and meditate on whenever I have a moment.

But I’m not sure of what to do with the advice that says, “The rest should all become background noise…”

As some CAF members know, I am heavily involved with the sport of figure skating, specifically the discipline of synchronized skating. I don’t skate myself, but my husband and two daughters skate, and my daughters coach Nationally-ranked synchro teams.

I am quite passionate about this sport, and have been since I was a little girl. My parents were roller skaters and fixed up our basement as a roller skating rink. They used to have friends over, and my brother and I would sit on the basement steps and watch all of them skate to music from a record player (old 45s). My brother couldn’t skate because of deformed feet, and I kept him company. My parents were really good–they could do all sorts of tricks and dance moves!

My parents were both glued to the television during the early broadcasts of figure skating, and I remember them making analytical comments about the various skaters during the 1968 Olympics. They knew something about the sport. Funny thing–this was the ONLY sport I ever remember my parents watching while I was growing up. My dad still enjoys watching figure skating.

My husband and I watched the 1980 Olympics during our first year of marriage and became addicted to figure skating. We couldn’t wait to have children and get them involved in the sport!

So this is an interest that has spanned a lifetime. I am not only interested as a fan, but as the parent and wife of skaters, as a long-time Board member of our local figure skating club, and also as an author. I really get into the “politics” of skating and am very vocal about my views of how to deal with various controversial issues in the sport.

I really don’t want all this to become “background.”

Is this wrong of me? What should I do? I don’t want the Lord Jesus to be second-in-line to figure skating, but I also don’t want to give up the “fight” to make figure skating the best sport in the world!

Surely Christians do not have to give up our secular interests? I see myself and our family as “salt and light” in the sport of figure skating. We bring Jesus to the rink by being there.

I’m sure that others on CAF have interests that they are passionate about, and I hope that this thread can help them, too.
Since the other thread that split off from the SSPX discussion has taken a different turn, I thought I would re-post this here since it is now more in line with the topic at hand.
If you enjoyed what he wrote, and it sounds like you did, you may with to consider checking out Benedictine spirituality and looking into life as an Oblate. A good commentary on the Holy Rule of St. Benedict would be a great place to start as would a more general commentary on Benedictine spirituality.

Just a friendly little nudge… 😉
Peace,
 
But I’m not sure of what to do with the advice that says, “The rest should all become background noise…”

As some CAF members know, I am heavily involved with the sport of figure skating, specifically the discipline of synchronized skating. I don’t skate myself, but my husband and two daughters skate, and my daughters coach Nationally-ranked synchro teams.

I am quite passionate about this sport, and have been since I was a little girl. …

…I really don’t want all this to become “background.”

Is this wrong of me? What should I do? I don’t want the Lord Jesus to be second-in-line to figure skating, but I also don’t want to give up the “fight” to make figure skating the best sport in the world!

Surely Christians do not have to give up our secular interests? I see myself and our family as “salt and light” in the sport of figure skating. We bring Jesus to the rink by being there.

I’m sure that others on CAF have interests that they are passionate about, and I hope that this thread can help them, too.
Took me a while to find where this quote came from; I finally located it back on the other thread on the Spirituality forum so I thought I’d teleport it here because I think Cat raises an important concern.

First of all, my comment on “background noise” was really intended within the context of the liturgical/Vatican II debate. What should become background noise is all the arguing about this or that form, this or that manner of receiving communion (i.e. hand or tongue), whether or not the SSPX reunites with Rome… all are relatively immaterial to one’s inner conversion and learning to “do the laundry with love” as Brother JR so aptly put it.

But extending outwards from that context for a minute, I think I should perhaps comment on an important aspect of the Rule of St. Benedict and that is the rule that a monk is not to own anything personally. For the purpose of this discussion, I think I can say we can define “own” as not just owning material objects, but “owning” a special attachment to something. Of course the Rule was written for a community of monks. A special challenge of being an oblate intending to be “inspired” by the Rule rather than living to its letter, is application of the Rule to secular life.

Of course we all have families; we own homes, we own cars, we have hobbies and passions, we have our work, etc.

My own favourite secular activities are aviation and cycling.

There is nothing wrong with all of this. But I think the Rule compels us to not develop an unhealthy attachment to the things that we enjoy, lest we fall into a form of idolatry.

Here’s how conversion impacted me. To maintain a pilot’s license, one has to undergo a medical on a regular basis (at my age, 54, every two years, with an electrocardiogram every 4 years). If you asked me 10 years ago how I’d feel if lost my medical (and thus the ability to fly) I’d have answered that I’d have been devastated. In fact in 2005 I came close due to a medical condition now well under control, and I was beside myself at the prospect of losing the privilege to fly.

Last year I came close again, due to early signs of diabetes, though it still isn’t bad enough to disqualify me for a medical certificate. My reaction was “meh… so I’ll do other things with my free time, maybe travel more with my wife, ride my bike more… who cares?” I attribute my ongoing “conversion” to an increasing sense of detachment from worldly things.

It doesn’t mean I can’t use them or enjoy them. It does mean however that I cannot let them rule my life. I find also as I age my focus changes. Apparently I’m not the only one at this stage to feel less and less importance in things material and more in things spiritual and human. I also changed jobs a few years ago and am no longer in management, I’m content to be an IT analyst, minding my own business. All those years I tried to be something that I was never comfortable being, a manager. What I was really attached to were the trappings: the private office, the expense account, the overseas travel, hearing the sound of my own voice at meetings. Now I work in cube land, have to keep track of my hours, have nobody under me, no expense account, no travel (except by subway to some client sites… not exactly glamour). To my surprise I don’t care if people think I flopped as a manager. My stress levels are way lower, I’m happier, and it turns out cube land is just fine and I enjoy the social and teamwork aspects of being closer to my coworkers.

A couple of days a week I work from home, and a couple of weeks ago I was walking down to the mailbox. I was wearing tan shorts, a salmon orange t-shirt, a white Tilley hat, and lime green crocs. I realized I must have been quite a sight, but instead of being worried about being seen, it gave me a good laugh.

We go through stages in life. I think what I’m trying to say is that having a healthy sense of detachment from what motivates us at a particular stage, better prepares us for what God has in store for us when He moves us into the next stage, on His timetable, not ours. So when we suddenly realize that we can no longer partake of a favourite activity due to health or circumstances, we accept this with grace as a gift from God (a lesson we can learn from the book of Job) and move on to what He has in store for us for the next stage. Oddly enough as I felt more and more detachment from, in particular, aviation, my wife and I grew much closer. I’d now much rather spend a Saturday morning going on a bike ride or hike in the local mountains with her than going flying with my buddies (I hear a lot of “hey how come we don’t see you so often at the airfield anymore?”). A closer relationship with my wife was God’s reward. She’s become the one person in my life that I want to spend virtually all my free time with. I realize now how so much more important nurturing that relationship is than flying, and how much I neglected it by leaving her alone every single Saturday morning for a number of years I’m too embarrassed to mention. I came to realize that too much of my ego was wrapped up in being able to fly.

So no it is not something “wrong” about you to still have a strong passion about skating and in particular for you it’s a family activity and that’s a very good thing! The family that prays together and plays together stays together! Conversion won’t change your love of skating, but conversion will help you keep it in perspective and context, and if for some reason God puts you in a position where you do have to move on, it will be easier. I think for most of us it happens naturally anyway, but we can’t in the immediacy of a favourite activity, imagine how we would live without it. I think inner conversion helps one prepare for those inevitable life changes so we can accept our aging with grace and serenity.

Richard Rohr has a couple of good books about this process. I mention him with hesitation because he’s not a favorite of traditionalists, but I think what he has to say is extremely important and I love his books. He’s also a Franciscan, incidentally.
 
I also changed jobs a few years ago and am no longer in management, I’m content to be an IT analyst, minding my own business. All those years I tried to be something that I was never comfortable being, a manager. What I was really attached to were the trappings: the private office, the expense account, the overseas travel, hearing the sound of my own voice at meetings. Now I work in cube land, have to keep track of my hours, have nobody under me, no expense account, no travel (except by subway to some client sites… not exactly glamour). To my surprise I don’t care if people think I flopped as a manager.
My job is something I struggle with a lot. If someone looks at my job from the outside, it looks like a good job. I too work in IT. I’m not micromanaged, I can take time off very easily, I have room for a lot of creativity in my job and I pretty much define what I do. We have good benefits, including a children’s tuition benefit.

So why am I unhappy? My ambition. My job does have elements of both racism and sexism and so there is a ceiling on how far I can advance.

So I struggle with either being happy at a pretty decent job even though my salary is stagnant, or applying for a job which may have more opportunities for advancement, but maybe more stress.

Any advice in looking at this dilemma spiritually?
 
My job is something I struggle with a lot. If someone looks at my job from the outside, it looks like a good job. I too work in IT. I’m not micromanaged, I can take time off very easily, I have room for a lot of creativity in my job and I pretty much define what I do. We have good benefits, including a children’s tuition benefit.

So why am I unhappy? My ambition. My job does have elements of both racism and sexism and so there is a ceiling on how far I can advance.

So I struggle with either being happy at a pretty decent job even though my salary is stagnant, or applying for a job which may have more opportunities for advancement, but maybe more stress.

Any advice in looking at this dilemma spiritually?
My advice might be more practical that spiritual. Nothing wrong with wanting to feed your family and work at getting a higher salary.

However my experience is with advancement, stress is inevitable. I guess you really need to determine what’s important for you and your family and how much stress you can handle. I used to be able to handle a fair bit, but as I got older, not so much anymore.

Also money impact tends to be exaggerated. A 10% increase in salary for example (pretty typical for a job change) does not really make that big an impact on family finances. It’s often not worth the extra stress.

I don’t know how old you are but ambition and the desire to get ahead is pretty normal in the first half of life.

So too is slowing down in the second half, and that’s where I am, so my advice now might not be so appropriate for your stage.

In the past if a job no longer met my expectations, I’d move on. I do place a big value on stability because of the Rule of St. Benedict but one must be careful to not confuse stability with stagnation. Stability is an inner disposition.
 
So I have a couple questions (These are things that have been on my mind for awhile)

1.) How does the Church reach the greater laity with the message of inner conversion?

and

2.) How will the Church teach the laity to do it?
 
So I have a couple questions (These are things that have been on my mind for awhile)

1.) How does the Church reach the greater laity with the message of inner conversion?

and

2.) How will the Church teach the laity to do it?
Those are good questions. The answer to the first in my view is to give priests ongoing formation and training in spirituality and theology. The answer to the second is to have a parish based program which incorporates spiritual and theological training. Most programs I see at the parish level such as “why Catholic” etc. are about catechesis, which is certainly important. However, I really feel that we are missing the boat on spirituality. You can’t love what you don’t know. Studying about God’s Church, when you don’t know God, isn’t going to do any good.

Its also why I believe you see so many people looking to third/secular/lay orders/congregations, etc. because are searching for a spiritual framework which they can view their ongoing conversion through.
 
I tell the novices that if they don’t learn to laugh they will not be admitted to vows. Christ always laughed at the silliness of the people around him. The novices ask me, “Father, how do you know? The bible does not mention him laughing.”

My answer is, “The bible tells us that he cried. People who cry also laugh. You can’t have a coin without head and tail. Why did the children want to come to him? Because he was non-threatening, kind and charming. You can’t fool kids.”
Simply brilliant.

I have always thought that this why the Gospel writers mention our Lord’s smashing things up at the money changers. It was remarkable, because it showed him using another emotion (righteous anger) and because it must have been rare.

The image of our Lord that I hold in my heart is of a man (who is God, obviously), not some either aloof autocrat or, even worse, pansy.
 
Those are good questions. The answer to the first in my view is to give priests ongoing formation and training in spirituality and theology. The answer to the second is to have a parish based program which incorporates spiritual and theological training. Most programs I see at the parish level such as “why Catholic” etc. are about catechesis, which is certainly important. However, I really feel that we are missing the boat on spirituality. You can’t love what you don’t know. Studying about God’s Church, when you don’t know God, isn’t going to do any good.

Its also why I believe you see so many people looking to third/secular/lay orders/congregations, etc. because are searching for a spiritual framework which they can view their ongoing conversion through.
I think you’re right it’s a very important missing link in secular life. It’s one reason why I became an oblate. Just “following the rules” wasn’t doing it for me anymore. It didn’t really address my inner demons. Honestly, just following the rules is like putting lipstick on a pig.

There are, at our abbey, a number of priests and deacons who are secular oblates as well. They can bring some of that back to their parishes; many priests and bishops also go for retreats.

What we see here on the Traditional forum is that seek is really a return to traditional parish life as they knew it or as their parents knew it. But that is only a very small slice of Church tradition. All of the major orders have had so much to contribute to Tradition and tradition. I think these need to be explored more on these forums. If they were things like free-standing altars, tabernacles in side chapels and whatnot wouldn’t seem so foreign.

But more importantly, the whole notion of the nature of our sin and the tools to overcome it would be turned on its head compared to how many folks view sin on CAF. People here often seem to want us to come up with an algorithm that they can run on their computer, in which they can plug in their sin, the parameters it occurred in and have it spit out a result of whether it was mortal or not. Or they would keep a spreadsheet of each individual shortcoming to bring into confession each week.

It really isn’t whether this or that act is a “mortal sin” or not. It’s what wounds us (all of us, as part of our fallen nature), that compels us to sin; our soft underbelly that when poked, arouses the worst in our nature. That’s what we have to work on. You can’t whitewash it, you can’t put a protective shell around it and you can’t expect rattling off a list of the consequences of your most intimate nature in the confessional will lead to improvement.

In that sense I think the Church is its own worst enemy with the Catechism which, while great at exposing doctrine, gives us precious few tools to work on our conversion.

One needs tools to explore the depths of one’s heart. That requires spiritual direction and a different, less obsessive approach, to confession. One must accept one’s own darkness but also one’s own light, before being able to accept others. If we don’t reach into ourselves and come face-to-face with our own darkness, other people will always disappoint us, particularly those closest to us who have their own foibles to live with.

I guess in some ways we have to seek it out ourselves. That takes a lot of engagement. I think you’re right that this is the reason folks seek out third orders, oblate programs, etc.

St. Benedict worked for me, others will find it somewhere else I hope.
 
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