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Faith1960
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If I ever were persuaded to the other side of the debate, I’d probably leave the CC and join the non denominational church down the street. Maybe I need to look into this further…
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Faith1960
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There weren’t over 100 biologists.
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Hans_W
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Please, let’s not go back to that list. Has been demolished ages ago. I haven’t got time to address claims from answersingenesis.
If you are a Catholic, then statements coming from the Vatican, or the Pope himself should have some weight. Here are the links (yet again):
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis.html (Pius XII, 1950)
ewtn.com/library/Theology/SINEVOL.HTM (Paul VI, 1969)
ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp961022.htm (John Paul II, 1996)
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Faith1960
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With that large a number of scientist/creationists, can you provide more links to reputable scientists who say there was a human bottleneck of 8 people? Because that’s where I’m stuck.
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Faith1960
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What do you mean? Are those scientists unreputable?
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Faith1960
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I know the popes are ok with evolution. Where do they address what happened to the human population after the Flood? As far as I can see, they don’t. Got anything that does? Because I can’t find anything Catholic and reputable that addresses this problem. I need help with this.
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Kliska
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Physical Science cannot get that specific. It’s one of the issues “looking backwards” at something that happened so long ago. If I were to try to narrow it down I would read the articles I linked previously, read their connected references, and go from there. Email some of the organizations to see if they respond, or if they can connect you with a scientist you would respect to answer your questions.
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Per_Crucem
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You might have bigger issues, though. Can you point me to the scientist and/or data that states that a Person can be fully God and fully man, suffer, die and rise on the third day?
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Faith1960
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I read much of it.
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Faith1960
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You might have bigger issues, though. Can you point me to the scientist and/or data that states that a Person can be fully God and fully man, suffer, die and rise on the third day?/posts
Dont need one. There was eyewitness testimony.
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Hans_W
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If the popes are ok with evolution then, obviously, they are not ok with a literal interpretation of the Flood.
I repeat again: get books written by reputable theologians on the topics of Christianity and science, written for the general public. I recommend John Haught, Keith Ward, Alvin Plantinga, Ernan McMullin, Nancey Murphy, Arthur Peacocke, Howard Van Till, Dennis Lamoureux, and many others.
Don’t read books written by atheists, if you are not knowledgeable in science and philosophy.
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Per_Crucem
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Well, there were eyewitnesses to only eight people on earth, too. The eight peopleDont need one. There were eyewitnesses.
But seriously, it seems on this point you’re letting a materialistic worldview impede on what Scripture states. That’s fine, but you can’t make an exception because of eye witnesses in the case of Christ. Science says all of that is impossible, too.
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agnes_therese
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Why? The Church doesn’t require that we believe this.
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Kliska
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creation.com/creation-scientists
christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-scientists.html
And here is the list, even with commentary from the mocking side, for a different perspective; rationalwiki.org/wiki/CMI_list_of_scientists_alive_today_who_accept_the_biblical_account_of_creation
christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-scientists.html
And here is the list, even with commentary from the mocking side, for a different perspective; rationalwiki.org/wiki/CMI_list_of_scientists_alive_today_who_accept_the_biblical_account_of_creation
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Faith1960
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Theres no eyewitness testimony to those 8Well, there were eyewitnesses to only eight people on earth, too. The eight people
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Per_Crucem
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What eyewitness do you need other than the LORD?
Eyewitness testimony is irrelevant, though, if your worldview says that science says x is impossible. There’s not a single scientist who accepts evolution, rules out the supernatural, dismisses Scripture and states that Christ as fully God, fully man is a scientific impossibility who then accepts Christ because of “eyewitness testimony.” If you doubt what the word of God says on the Flood, then you have no reason to accept what it says about Jesus of Nazareth.
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Faith1960
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When I asked my priest if we don’t have to believe the 8 people he said “I can’t answer that. …the book of genesis is more complex than most people realize. Accept it at either face value (8 survivors ) or say it must mean something else which no one really understands…”
He also said “just remember it’s a part of the story of early human interaction with God.”
So I’m not sure if we have to believe it or not.
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Faith1960
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Do any of these,authors answer this particular question? I’m tired of spending money and buying books that don’t answer my question.
I am new to this discussion. What is the question?
If it is ‘did every pope believe in a literal interpretation of all the Bible?’ the answer is ‘no’.
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Faith1960
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Do Catholics have to believe that 8 people were left after the Flood? Despite what the CCC says.
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