The Bible Does Not Say We Have An Immortal Soul

[Mumbles140]

Even those who deny God must date their attacks up him, A.D. (After Death) or B.C. (Before Christ).

While your understanding of BC is correct, AD actually stands for “Anno Domini” or “The year of our Lord”, which (from my understanding) technically begins with the Incarnation, as opposed to the Crucifixion (approx. 33 AD, give or take a few).

 

[josh987654321]

While your understanding of BC is correct, AD actually stands for “Anno Domini” or “The year of our Lord”, which (from my understanding) technically begins with the Incarnation, as opposed to the Crucifixion (approx. 33 AD, give or take a few).

Same point though

Thanks Mumbles140.

 

[josh987654321]

While your understanding of BC is correct, AD actually stands for “Anno Domini” or “The year of our Lord”, which (from my understanding) technically begins with the Incarnation, as opposed to the Crucifixion (approx. 33 AD, give or take a few).

Thank you Mumbles140

 

[Darryl_B]

But, that implies the soul CAN be destroyed…right?

Destroyed is not the same as terminated (as in life) hence compared with killed.

A building that is destroyed still remains just a crumbled mess of its former self.

 

[GEddie]

Even if there were no immortal soul, per se, the bodily resurrection restores one as a live human being with a live body!

So while Scripture does teach that the human soul survives, the “separable soul” is not in fact critical to our LORD’s message of life everlasting (in a spiritual body, pneumatikon soma).

.ICXC NIKA

 

[josh987654321]

Another thing I believe is significant to consider, we are currently in the year 2014 A.D. … After Death, Whose Death? Jesus’.

Even those who deny God must date their attacks up him, A.D. (After Death) or B.C. (Before Christ).

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Another thing I believe is significant to consider, we are currently in the year 2014 A.D. … Anno Domini, After the Incarnation, After the birth of Christ.

Even those who deny God must date their attacks up him, A.D. (Anno Domini, After the Incarnation/birth of Christ) or B.C. (Before Christ).



Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Darryl_B]

Even if there were no immortal soul, per se, the bodily resurrection restores one as a live human being with a live body!

So while Scripture does teach that the human soul survives, the “separable soul” is not in fact critical to our LORD’s message of life everlasting (in a spiritual body, pneumatikon soma).

.ICXC NIKA

It is though crucial to the Church Triumphant and the Church Suffering.

The handling of the soul is very closely tied to the handling of the Kingdom.

 

[agnes_therese]

So, show me where, in your Bible, I am wrong. That way, perhaps, we can both learn something new. Up for the challenge? Care to actually learn?

Thought not.

You’ve been shown, and you refuse to respond.

Up for the challenge? Care to actually learn?
Thought not.

 

[Missian_Alyssa]

The last verse of James 2 defines death as simply separation of body and spirit(soul?)

“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

 

[josh987654321]

If you like, I have quoted an Extract on the Historical Accuracy of the Gospels from the book “The Reason for God” by Timothy Keller. (It may seem like alot to read, but you can’t fit much in a post, so it really isn’t much reading, it’s only 3 pages in the book ).

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5

Also I really liked this article on CAF if your interest ‘The Evidence is on Our Side’ and ‘Are the Gospels Myth?’

Another thing I believe is significant to consider, we are currently in the year 2014 A.D. … Anno Domini, After the Incarnation, After the birth of Jesus Christ.

Even those who deny God must date their attacks upon him, A.D. (Anno Domini, After the Incarnation/birth of Christ) or B.C. (Before Christ).

Futhermore, can faithless, rebellious, atheistic, unbelieving men and women possibly say that Jesus Sacrifice at the hands of His executioners was not true, so that they could unleash their rage against Him?

No one can possibly deny it and prove their denial. And why do you believe that He did so? no one dies for anyone who is not intensely loved.

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[GEddie]

The last verse of James 2 defines death as simply separation of body and spirit(soul?)

“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

For the most part, soul and spirit are used as synonyms in Scripture, although the Greek words (psyche versus pneuma) are not the same.

A human being is not a bulls-eye with the spirit at the center, surrounded by soul then body.

Rather, he or she is like a moving Moire pattern formed by the intersection of pneuma with soma (body). And the result is the psyche or soul.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Usagi]

The OP has a small point: the Bible speaks primarily of the resurrection of the body rather than the immortality of the soul. The reward that we look for is not eternal existence in a disembodied state, but a return to an improved version of bodily existence.

That said, most of the ancient cultures I have read about (including the Hebrews) seem to have believed that consciousness continues in some manner after death rather than just ceasing. Usually the “standard” afterlife is a gloomy sort of place – it’s clearly better to be alive than dead – but it’s definitely not nonexistence.

Along that line, there are enough examples of existence between death and the General Resurrection in the Bible (Jesus’ image of Lazarus and the rich man, fictional but presumably based on the local beliefs and Jesus’ actual knowledge; Moses and Elijah appearing on the Mount of Transfiguration; and back in the OT, Saul having a witch call up the shade of Samuel) that we can certainly see Scriptural precedent for an immortal soul. It may well be true that the popularity of the idea within the Hellenistic pagan culture into which Christianity spread has something to do with the emphasis on the survival of the soul in Christian Tradition, but the concept is not without roots in Jewish thought as well.

Usagi

 

[Mumbles140]

The OP has a small point: the Bible speaks primarily of the resurrection of the body rather than the immortality of the soul.

I disagree. I believe it was the souls of Elijah and Moses that appeared at the Transfiguration, not their resurrected bodies. And, numerous posters have discussed verses relating directly to the soul, not just the resurrection of the body.

 

[Usagi]

I disagree. I believe it was the souls of Elijah and Moses that appeared at the Transfiguration, not their resurrected bodies. And, numerous posters have discussed verses relating directly to the soul, not just the resurrection of the body.

Yes. Please refer to the rest of my post after that opening sentence.

Usagi

 

[Mumbles140]

Yes. Please refer to the rest of my post after that opening sentence.

Usagi

I did - I was just refusing to cede that the OP even had a small point.

 

[GEddie]

I disagree. I believe it was the souls of Elijah and Moses that appeared at the Transfiguration, not their resurrected bodies. And, numerous posters have discussed verses relating directly to the soul, not just the resurrection of the body.

Except that E&M definitely had bodies.

And Elijah, having evaded death initially, could not disembody to begin with.

ICXC NIKA!

 

[juliamajor]

Hi Josh.

Call myself Mad, because it’s true, but need to clarify, I am not angry.

The debate was live, at Park Church (first pastor: Thomas Beecher 1840’s) in Elmira, NY a few weekends ago. T’was grand.

Believe in Jesus? Well, have a Bible with words of Christ in red, and when reading just the red text, Jesus appears quite amazingly insightful and more than a little magical. But then, also realize, not one word was written from anyone who actually laid eyes on the man, or heard his voice.

So what’s to believe?

That’s a hoot and a half.there are no direct first hand accounts of Alexander the great either.Do you believe he existed.?Papyrus and parchment fall apart. No originals exist of the gospels or any ancient writings. They are all second hand renditions.
.Did socrates exist? he wrote nothing and anything we have from him is second hand from his students. Second hand -from his students memories.
The earliest Christian writings are from St.Paul about 40 A.D. His are first hand accounts but they have still been copied and recopied.
Suetonious wrote about the Caesars many centuries after they died. Yet i don’t see that many people questioning his stories.A lot of what we know or think we know about Rome’s leadership is written by a man who never saw the early empire or late republic.
It seems that some people will never believe anything written about Christianity that isn’t a direct text but are more than willing to believe secular writing of dubious origin .