The book of Mormon challenge, pray and something happens to confirm

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THE BOOK OF MORONI
CHAPTER 10
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Mormons have told me that if you read the BOM and pray about it, then God will reveal to you that it is true.

Any Mormons care to share their personal experience after taking this challenge? Like what exactly happen to confirm it’s truth?

Thanks
 
Mormons have told me that if you read the BOM and pray about it, then God will reveal to you that it is true.

Any Mormons care to share their personal experience after taking this challenge? Like what exactly happen to confirm it’s truth?

Thanks
“Though the principle of studying something out in one’s mind and seeking confirmation through the burning of the bosom or a stupor of thought was given to Oliver Cowdery to use in translating the Book of Mormon, this process of receiving revelation can be of value to all Saints. President Joseph Fielding Smith explained that ‘a similar privilege is given to any member of the Church who seeks knowledge in the spirit of prayer and faith. The Lord will cause the feeling of security and truth to take hold of the individual and burn within the bosom, and there will be an overwhelming feeling that the thing is right.’”

Doctrine and Covenants 9:8-9
 
Any Mormons care to share their personal experience after taking this challenge? Like what exactly happen to confirm it’s truth?
I’m concerned it might be considered proselytizing.

Why are you going to a Catholic forum to ask Mormons stuff? Why not go to an LDS board?
 
Mormons have told me that if you read the BOM and pray about it, then God will reveal to you that it is true.

Any Mormons care to share their personal experience after taking this challenge? Like what exactly happen to confirm it’s truth?

Thanks
Hello Lenten ashes,
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 I'm no longer involved with any of the Mormon groups but I'll go ahead and share my experience anyway.  For me it was like an instinctive feeling that the BOM was true.  That it would be a value to me.  

The BOM is largely about the world of religion.  With the Missionary discussions I was becoming involved in this world and being encouraged to determine "which church is right".  The BOM proved to be valuable to me during this time in my life.
 
The only place to offer such a prayer is before Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.
:amen:

God gave us the bible to know truth. I wonder why they don’t say read the bible, pray about it, and “feel” it is true?
 
“Non-Catholic Religions”
It is the “Non-Catholic religions” section, but there are still very strict rules for non-Catholics here, including getting banned for any semblance of proselytizing. I too fear that me honestly answering your question would be viewed as proselytizing by some here (hence why I have declined answering thus far). An LDS board would really be a better venue for asking such questions.
 
It is the “Non-Catholic religions” section, but there are still very strict rules for non-Catholics here, including getting banned for any semblance of proselytizing. I too fear that me honestly answering your question would be viewed as proselytizing by some here (hence why I have declined answering thus far). An LDS board would really be a better venue for asking such questions.
Right I understand that but you are being asked and I’m sure the mods understand the difference.

It’s OK if you don’t want to answer. We can let the thread die.

I’m not interested in converting obviously, but I have had enough of these Mormon folks at my door telling me this stuff so thought i would ask what exactly happens when you meet the ‘challenge’. And I don’t want the canned response from the LDS sale person at the door. In this format people could speak openly and thoroughly.
 
The challenge is a psychological ploy. Our emotions vary based on so many factors, some physiological. If they can convince someone to take that challenge, and for any reason, chemical, circadian, literary, etc., the reader is feeling good, then they can convince themselves this is the bosom burn. More to the point, he all have the tendency to affirm our choices. This is why salesmen like to get the customer to say “yes” to any question. Once you get the guy rolling your way in some little way, he will help you by affirming to himself that he is doing the right thing.

This is why fuzzy feelings are a sucker’s method of determining truth.
 
It is the “Non-Catholic religions” section, but there are still very strict rules for non-Catholics here, including getting banned for any semblance of proselytizing. I too fear that me honestly answering your question would be viewed as proselytizing by some here (hence why I have declined answering thus far). An LDS board would really be a better venue for asking such questions.
Baloney. :cool:
Your answer (cause I saw Mormons answer it before on this forum) can be answered without “proselytizing”. It’s really no different than what a fundamentalist might say. But instead you want to deflect by saying the mods won’t allow it, which isn’t true.
Maybe the reason you really don’t want to answer is, you fear being challenged.
 
Mormons have told me that if you read the BOM and pray about it, then God will reveal to you that it is true.

Any Mormons care to share their personal experience after taking this challenge? Like what exactly happen to confirm it’s truth?

Thanks
It’s about feelings and Mormons interpreting what your feelings mean, for you. If you read the BoM and have nice feelings about it then Mormons interpret those good feelings as an indicator of truth. “I feel it is true” is usually expressed by Mormons as “I know it is true”.
 
It is the “Non-Catholic religions” section, but there are still very strict rules for non-Catholics here, including getting banned for any semblance of proselytizing. I too fear that me honestly answering your question would be viewed as proselytizing by some here (hence why I have declined answering thus far). An LDS board would really be a better venue for asking such questions.
Very simple way to avoid proselytizing is to start with: For me it was…then describe your reaction.

You seem to want to defend your faith without really committing to your idea of the truth of it. Possibly you have questions or doubts and can’t articulate them. Possibly you can’t articulate why you believe the BoM and the LDS is the truth.

While I certainly have a good, even amazing feeling, with my faith, it isn’t the sum total of why I’m Catholic. I spent a lot of time in prayer before converting but I also spent a lot of time reading, studying, learning, talking to others, going to Mass and so on. As I was already a Christian I didn’t have too far to go but I took the time needed to make an informed decision about converting. There weren’t missionaries pressuring me to be baptized. There weren’t folks telling me about this amazing “bosom burning” feeling and then leaving me with the idea there must be something wrong with me since I didn’t “feel” it.

I had a group of people who patiently answered my questions, gave me resources to answer questions, actually encouraged questions, and let me come to my own conclusions about the truth of the faith.
 
It’s about feelings and Mormons interpreting what your feelings mean, for you. If you read the BoM and have nice feelings about it then Mormons interpret those good feelings as an indicator of truth. “I feel it is true” is usually expressed by Mormons as “I know it is true”.
I think so too, but was wondering if any of them have any extraordinary experiences like ‘angels’ appearing to them or something.

Doesn’t look like I’m gonna get any responses form them. And I’m not gonna sign up in a LDS forum for all that, so oh well.
 
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore, I tell you that nobody speaking by the spirit of God says, “Jesus be accursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the holy Spirit.

This verse clearly states that the only way to be certain of the divinity of Jesus Christ is to somehow have that knowledge given to you by the Holy Spirit. IMHO this verse does not allow for other methods of conferring this certain knowledge. So, LDS believe that the Holy Spirit confirms to someone the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon the same way He confirms to someone the divinity of Jesus Christ. However you personally have experienced 1 Corinthians 12:3 in your life is how LDS believe God communicates the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I hope this helps…
 
I think so too, but was wondering if any of them have any extraordinary experiences like ‘angels’ appearing to them or something.

Doesn’t look like I’m gonna get any responses form them. And I’m not gonna sign up in a LDS forum for all that, so oh well.
For the most part God/ the Holy Ghost, have been content not to influence my religious beliefs. There has only been one time in my life when I can claim that I received a clear message from God which had to do with theology. I was sleeping outside alone and when I woke up I heard a voice say “Jehovah is one, one is Jehovah”. I’ve had other experiences with concerned living my life, but this was the only one which concerned theology. I would like to have an experience telling me thee actually was an Atlantis but I realize I’m never going to get it. I’m free to believe in an Atlantis or not. The same can be said for the historicity of the BOM. Neither of these affect how we live our lives.
 
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore, I tell you that nobody speaking by the spirit of God says, “Jesus be accursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the holy Spirit.

This verse clearly states that the only way to be certain of the divinity of Jesus Christ is to somehow have that knowledge given to you by the Holy Spirit. IMHO this verse does not allow for other methods of conferring this certain knowledge. So, LDS believe that the Holy Spirit confirms to someone the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon the same way He confirms to someone the divinity of Jesus Christ. However you personally have experienced 1 Corinthians 12:3 in your life is how LDS believe God communicates the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I hope this helps…
Our heavenly Father bless you for responding here!

I find the part of your answer that I -]boldened/-] -]enboldened/-] made bold an interesting statement. It got me asking myself, “how have I personally experienced the conviction that Jesus Christ is Lord?” Excellent question, if you ask me.

The only answer I can come up with at the moment – it’s late and I got very little “good” sleep last night – is that my faith in the lordship of Christ and His Church began as an exercise of the intellect and something akin to logic or philosophy.

The teachings of the Church have a strong integrity – morally, intellectually, theologically, historically… And a some point I began thinking to myself, “If there truly is a God, then I need to spend time seeking to know who He is!” And my seeking and questioning and reason and experience (I did have two “signs” given to me during that time) led me back to the Catholic Church I had abandoned years and years before.

Thanks for giving me a reason to think about this again. And may our heavenly Father bless you and yours abundantly!
 
Our heavenly Father bless you for responding here!

I find the part of your answer that I -]boldened/-] -]enboldened/-] made bold an interesting statement. It got me asking myself, “how have I personally experienced the conviction that Jesus Christ is Lord?” Excellent question, if you ask me.

The only answer I can come up with at the moment – it’s late and I got very little “good” sleep last night – is that my faith in the lordship of Christ and His Church began as an exercise of the intellect and something akin to logic or philosophy.

The teachings of the Church have a strong integrity – morally, intellectually, theologically, historically… And a some point I began thinking to myself, “If there truly is a God, then I need to spend time seeking to know who He is!” And my seeking and questioning and reason and experience (I did have two “signs” given to me during that time) led me back to the Catholic Church I had abandoned years and years before.

Thanks for giving me a reason to think about this again. And may our heavenly Father bless you and yours abundantly!
God bless you for your kindness! Not to belabor the point but Matthew 16:13-17 also shows this principle.
  1. When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
  2. They replied, “Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
  3. He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
  4. Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
  5. Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
God bless you in your journey.
 
God bless you for your kindness! Not to belabor the point but Matthew 16:13-17 also shows this principle.
  1. When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
  2. They replied, “Some say John the Baptist,* others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
  3. He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
  4. Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
  5. Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
God bless you in your journey.
The Apostles had at this point been traveling and being taught by Jesus for 3 years. They had seen many miracles and knew that Jesus wasn’t ordinary, by any means. The Father gave to them, Jesus Himself. God brought them to their understanding through reason, and by faith the Holy Spirit confirmed what they knew via intellect.

The Mormon Book of Mormon challenge purposely excludes intellect, aka reason.
 
The Apostles had at this point been traveling and being taught by Jesus for 3 years. They had seen many miracles and knew that Jesus wasn’t ordinary, by any means. The Father gave to them, Jesus Himself. God brought them to their understanding through reason, and by faith the Holy Spirit confirmed **what they knew via intellect. **
The Apostles could not have known via their intellect that Jesus was divine since 1 Corinthians 12:3 clearly states “And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the holy Spirit.” I have no argument with anyone who states that seeing Jesus’ miracles and hearing His teachings will bolster one’s faith in Jesus’ divinity. However, the Holy Spirit is necessary to confirm belief.
 
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