The Book of Mormon

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gazelam said:
Really?!?! Is there some sort of doctrinal list of required beliefs vs optional beliefs?
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You misunderstand me, which is probably my fault. We aren’t required to view the narration of the flood as a literal occurrence. We understand scripture in more than the sense of the literal. What the story of Noah conveys is Salvation. It does in fact have deep meaning, but whether or not the earth was covered in water isn’t the point of the story (even if the waters were deep)! The doctrine we are required to believe is Salvation, baptism, God’s mercy, etc.

ANWAY, still waiting to see examples of pre-Columbian ships!
 
RebeccaJ said:
Catholics aren’t required to believe there was a literal flood. 🙂 The building of the ark isn’t the point of the story. But if you want to make it the point, it describes methods of ship building that existed in ancient times. These methods did not exist in isolation, for the building of the ark, and the ark alone.

So, where are the ships of the pre-Columbian new world? If/when a man learned such a marvelous skill as shipbuilding, he would have passed on the skills to his sons, and his sons, and his sons.
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I watched bit of this video…

I then felt compelled to open a Leinenkugel Classic Amber. It had been in my refrigerator since July. Interesting how the Spirit can move us. I was thinking about the video… looking at the beer label and really never given much attention to the “Leinekugel Indian Maiden”. So as I drank my beer I was thinking about the maiden and her being Indian. And Joseph Smith’s belief that the American Indians had their origins coming from Jerusalem on this boat. Then I thought about science and DNA showing no…this little Maiden came what was likely China…no middle eastern dna in her at all.

Funny how a video can lead you to a beer…to a Maiden…and to the Truth. I credit the Holy Spirit.

I’d like to see BYU send a mission to the Middle East and…
  • Trace the steps through desert.
  • Make a boat with tools at the time from the little patch of green
  • And sail the boat to America
Now that would be a missionary feat…
 
Ah well, I think of Columbus, then of Mexico, then of Corona (w/ lime).

But I have bills to pay…keeps me sober. If only the snow would melt.
 
Porknpie said:
I watched bit of this video…

I then felt compelled to open a Leinenkugel Classic Amber. It had been in my refrigerator since July. Interesting how the Spirit can move us. I was thinking about the video… looking at the beer label and really never given much attention to the “Leinekugel Indian Maiden”. So as I drank my beer I was thinking about the maiden and her being Indian. And Joseph Smith’s belief that the American Indians had their origins coming from Jerusalem on this boat. Then I thought about science and DNA showing no…this little Maiden came what was likely China…no middle eastern dna in her at all.

Funny how a video can lead you to a beer…to a Maiden…and to the Truth. I credit the Holy Spirit.

I’d like to see BYU send a mission to the Middle East and…
  • Trace the steps through desert.
  • Make a boat with tools at the time from the little patch of green
  • And sail the boat to America
Now that would be a missionary feat…
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I thought you were going to tell me it lead to another beer. Circular reasoning, don’t ya know. 😃

I’m more of an Amaretto Sour kind of guy.
 
The story of Adam and Eve is written in mythology and other cultures of the ancient world shared same sense of beginnings of man.

But the main point is…God Who is Truth can speak through myths.

There have been DNA studies taking us all the way back to our black mother of Africa…another disputed it.

In time of Noah, people in those days didn’t travel more than 22 miles from their home…this proven by science, aka anthropology and archeology…and the remaining artifacts of ancient civilizations. So there could have been very well a great flood but not covering the entire world as we have seen visualized in books and cartoons, and unfortunately in children’s religion books.

There may be myths but at the heart is God and truth about our human condition in relation to God. And that what was forbidden to man…to become as god…was the only sin named.
 
twopekinguys said:
I thought you were going to tell me it lead to another beer. Circular reasoning, don’t ya know. 😃

I’m more of an Amaretto Sour kind of guy.
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I’m not much of a beer drinker which is why this story is so amazing. They are in the house for any guests that would want one…and there are none left anyway. 😦

Grey Goose is my drink…on ice, straight, w/two olives. 👍
 
Porknpie said:
I’m not much of a beer drinker which is why this story is so amazing. They are in the house for any guests that would want one…and there are none left anyway. 😦

Grey Goose is my drink…on ice, straight, w/two olives. 👍
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Used to do Grey Goose, but vodka wise, it would be Three Olives.

If I’m going to drink (and that is very rare), I will stick with Amaretto.
 
twopekinguys said:
Used to do Grey Goose, but vodka wise, it would be Three Olives.

If I’m going to drink (and that is very rare), I will stick with Amaretto.
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I drink Natural Light beer. But for the hard stuff, Southern Comfort is always a winner.😃
 
i usually partake in the muslim threads, but isnt the book of mormons based on egyptian hieroglyphics?
 
The Egyptian writings were finally translated.

What they were about is giving instructions in how to mummify the dead.

Think about it.
 
Yes…on past Mormon threads someone got source and when it was deciphered…all it was were ancient instructions on how to mummify bodies.
 
gazelam said:
This isn’t the first time God gave a prophet instructions how to build a new type of ship.

Genesis 6:14-16 (KJV)
  1. Make thee an ark of gopher wood; brooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

Are you looking for 2600 year old maritime log of ship passage? And why is ship replication important in this case? Was Noah’s ark replicated?
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The difference is, a ship was made to the specifications of the ark and was very seaworthy. Experts have stated there is no way the nephi boats could have made it across the ocean
 
TexanKnight said:
The difference is, a ship was made to the specifications of the ark and was very seaworthy. Experts have stated there is no way the nephi boats could have made it across the ocean
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What about those silly Jaredite boats? Holes in the top and bottom? My favorite " And the Lord said unto the Brother of Jared, Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top thereof, and also in the bottom thereof; and when thou shalt suffer for air, thou shalt unstop the hole thereof, and receive air.
And if it so be that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole thereof, that ye may not perish in the flood." (Ether 1:50-51 1908 RLDS)

Wow. The Mormon god is a architectural genius!:rolleyes:
 
dolphinlove said:
i usually partake in the muslim threads, but isnt the book of mormons based on egyptian hieroglyphics?
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I think you are referring to the Book of Abraham…which was supposed to have come from Reformed Egyptian languange…whatever that is.🤷
 
pablope said:
I think you are referring to the Book of Abraham…which was supposed to have come from Reformed Egyptian languange…whatever that is.🤷
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The Book of Mormon was the so called “Reformed Egyptian”. The book of Abraham, is real Egyptian, but is a funeral text.
 
TexanKnight said:
The difference is, a ship was made to the specifications of the ark and was very seaworthy. Experts have stated there is no way the nephi boats could have made it across the ocean
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You mind giving me a reference to one of these “experts”?
 
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