The Book of Mormon

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JamesCollins said:
Read the book. It is fairly easy to see that if Joseph Smith had access to this book it could have influenced his own writing of the Book of Mormon. Writing in the Biblical style wasn’t all that unusual in Smith’s day. You will see that many of the phrases in this book and other books of the time period show up in the Book of Mormon as well. The book I am linking next is a book that was commonly used as a text in the New York Public School system in Joseph Smith’s day. It is called The Late Great War between the United States and Great Britain:

archive.org/details/latewarbetween_00hunt

Simply copying the styles of these books and quoting the Bible Joseph Smith could have easily been able to write the Book of Mormon on his own. It is also possible that a Sidney Rigdon or an Oliver Cowdrey wrote the book based on these texts as well as texts like View of the Hebrews. The Book of Mormon is not an extraordinary accomplishment that has to be gotten around to disbelieve Mormonism. It is simply a product of the 19th century like many other books written at the same time.
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My apologies. I misunderstood you. My bad.
 
TheIrishman said:
I think the prayers are working…dinner with the folks went better than imagined.

We of course started out with the BoM, which i simply presented the lack of evidence and asked them to prove to me that the BoM was true. After dodging with testimony they realized they couldn’t prove anything. SEED PLANTED. Anywho, i then discussed what i liked about the Catholic Church and its succession from peter and explained that i felt closer to Christ through this church than i ever did with the LDS church. That’s where things got easier, they now understand and even support my decision. They of course told me that they would still pray for me and i told them i would do the same.

Now i can enjoy RCIA and Mass in peace and know that i planted a good seed with the folks. I got lucky i think, now i just have to deal with the Stake president and home teachers…
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Thanks for the update, and the good news for you and your experience. You were in my prayers last night.
 
Thanks everyone for all the support and encouragement, it really means a lot!
 
TexanKnight said:
Not sure what this has to do with anything. The fact someone at 14 wrote a book does not mean js did. And no one said js did not write the b of m. I think he did…copying from the Bible and other works available to him

So your point is a red herring.

Now, you might have made a better point if the French kid had claimed he got the book from an angel who led him to gold plates…
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Another point to remember: Joseph Smith claimed to have been 14 years old when he had his “first vision” (all 9 conflicting versions of it), but he was 17 years old when he claimed the angel Moroni first appeared to him and 21 years old when he got the plates and started “translating” the Book of Mormon.

So the “how could a 14 year-old farm boy write the BoM” thing is indeed a red herring.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
PaulDupre1 said:
Another point to remember: Joseph Smith claimed to have been 14 years old when he had his “first vision” (all 9 conflicting versions of it), but he was 17 years old when he claimed the angel Moroni first appeared to him and 21 years old when he got the plates and started “translating” the Book of Mormon.

So the “how could a 14 year-old farm boy write the BoM” thing is indeed a red herring.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Let’s add in the fact that he tried to join the Methodist Church after the so called “First Vision”.

Also, we hear alot about how he didn’t have a great education, but, wasn’t his father a teacher?
 
twopekinguys said:
Let’s add in the fact that he tried to join the Methodist Church after the so called “First Vision”.

Also, we hear alot about how he didn’t have a great education, but, wasn’t his father a teacher?
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Yes his father was a teacher so the ignorant farm boy schtick doesn’t cut it.
 
twopekinguys said:
Let’s add in the fact that he tried to join the Methodist Church after the so called “First Vision”.
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Not to mention that no one in the early LDS church ever heard of the 1st vision. It was only years after the organization of the LDS church that Joseph began to tell the story of the 1st vision. And every time he told it the story was substantially different.

:hmmm:
 
Hey Irishman just ask them this one simple little question “Why would Jesus lie and leave His Church?”
 
JamesCollins said:
The book I am linking next is a book that was commonly used as a text in the New York Public School system in Joseph Smith’s day. It is called The Late Great War between the United States and Great Britain:

archive.org/details/latewarbetween_00hunt

Simply copying the styles of these books and quoting the Bible Joseph Smith could have easily been able to write the Book of Mormon on his own. It is also possible that a Sidney Rigdon or an Oliver Cowdrey wrote the book based on these texts as well as texts like View of the Hebrews.
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We have done a lot of textual comparison between Late War and the Book of Mormon. As most of you know, others have long noted that there are similarities between the War of 1812 and the endless wars of the Book of Mormon. This book provides the link. Chris and Duane Johnson found it, duplicating Dale Broadhurst’s methodology, although others have mentioned it in the past. askreality.com/hidden-in-plain-sight/

I think we could also theorize Ethan Smith, author of View of the Hebrews as a ghost-writer for the Book of Mormon. He had reason to do that, was HIGHLY literate, and some of his other books replicate some of the ideas in the Book of Mormon and Mormonism as a whole. He was also pastor for Oliver Cowdery’s family.
 
the fourth day of this seventh month, which is in the tenth year of the reign of the judges
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The event described here is the beginning of a massive wave of evangelism and conversion.
the fourth day of the seventh month, which is the birth day of Columbian Liberty and Independence
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