The Book of Mormons and the Bible

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zerinus said:
That is not correct. The LDS Church has a charitable arm that reaches out to those in need wherever they may be regardless of their faith or religion. Some years ago they donated a large sum of money to a Catholic charity for use in Africa where the LDS Church did not have a strong presence. Food storage is a different thing entirely. Church members are recommended to have a year’s supply of food for themselves and their family in case of an emergency. It is a part of the Church’s welfare and family preparedness program. But there is no rule that says that they should not share their food storage with those not of their faith should such an emergency arise.

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The LDS church donates a large, set amount of food each year to the Catholic charity here in SLC called “The Good Samaritan”.

(Since Zerinus ignores everything I write, perhaps he’ll never know and might not care).

The Good Samaritan program of the Catholic Church hands out sack meals from 9am to 9pm/ 7 days a week/ 365 days per year, to anyone who approaches their window.

On the other hand, if an individual is in need of LDS church welfare assistance, they are often asked to attend an LDS church service at least once per month, in order to receive it. I’m sure it is at the Bishop of the individual wards discretion, whether or not attendance is required, in exchange for food.
 
wussup said:
The ‘ex-mormons’ here out*(ought?)*to have the courage to at least say, hey folks, there is a lot to criticize in the Church, but that is false. Anyway, it’s your salvation. If you want to promote falsehoods, continue on.
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Just catching up. What is false?

By the way, as to your earlier comment about finding a forum where *“a Catholic practices his belief of Patience, tolerance and spirituallity” *; I don’t think you’ll find too many Catholic forums where the faithful will put up with being called Apostates. And rightly so.

Peace.
 
zerinus said:
That is not correct. The LDS Church has a charitable arm that reaches out to those in need wherever they may be regardless of their faith or religion. Some years ago they donated a large sum of money to a Catholic charity for use in Africa where the LDS Church did not have a strong presence. Food storage is a different thing entirely. Church members are recommended to have a year’s supply of food for themselves and their family in case of an emergency. It is a part of the Church’s welfare and family preparedness program. But there is no rule that says that they should not share their food storage with those not of their faith should such an emergency arise.

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I didnt say individuals have a set of rules as to what they do with their food storage, Individuals can do whatever they want with their food storage.
However, when it comes to the Bishop’s Storehouse it is a welfare program for the benefit of " its members".
Futhermore, the root purpose for the food program is it is a reserve for members in the tough days just before the Second Coming of Christ.

Oh, one more thing as far as the Church giving donations to others outside their faith, your right they do on occasion but we all know its seldom. I have yet to see the LDS church give much to anyone…If you think I’m wrong show me?
 
truthsilence said:
Just catching up. What is false?

By the way, as to your earlier comment about finding a forum where *“a Catholic practices his belief of Patience, tolerance and spirituallity” *; I don’t think you’ll find too many Catholic forums where the faithful will put up with being called Apostates. And rightly so.

Peace.
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Truthsilence: I dunno what is ment by what is false? It was a question I believe directed to me but I wasnt sure what he was trying to say?🙂
 
Kristine1957 said:
Futhermore, the root purpose for the food program is it is a reserve for members in the tough days just before the Second Coming of Christ.
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Rubbish! The Second Coming has nothing to do with the food storage program of the Church.
Oh, one more thing as far as the Church giving donations to others outside their faith, your right they do on occasion but we all know its seldom. I have yet to see the LDS church give much to anyone…If you think I’m wrong show me?
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You are always wrong! Here are some examples:lds.org/ldsfoundation/welcome/0,6892,407-1-0,00.html
lds.org/ldsfoundation/welfare/0,7133,1325-1-9–cWELFAREPOSTER,00.html
lds.org/humanitarianservices/0,19749,6208,00.html
deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,600155028,00.html
allaboutmormons.com/ENG_humanitarian_1.php
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Philanthropies
mormonwiki.com/mormonism/Humanitarian_Efforts

Besides, a lot of the humanitarian relief work done by the Church are done quietly, without fanfare. The are not advertized, in keeping with the Lord’s commandment not to do so (Matthew 6:3).

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Besides, a lot of the humanitarian relief work done by the Church are done quietly, without fanfare. The are not advertized, in keeping with the Lord’s commandment not to do so (Matthew 6:3).
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Perhaps a lot of the work is done without fanfare, I think I’ll agree with that statement. However, whenever the LDS church sends supplies to areas of catastrophe, it always makes the newspaper and the TV news here in SLC. So what is your point?

Do you ever tell anyone that you “pay your tithing”?

Do you tell your Bishop, or Stake President, about your tithes for each year? If so, why?
 
truthsilence said:
Do you ever tell anyone that you “pay your tithing”?

Do you tell your Bishop, or Stake President, about your tithes for each year? If so, why?
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Tithing is not charity (although its proceeds can be used for such a purpose). Tithing is a religious duty, gospel requirement, and its primary perpose is to help build up the kingdom of God on earth, and to spread the gospel. The bishop needs to know because it is his official duty to receive the tithings of Church members on behalf of the Church. But nobody else needs to know. And when I give money to charity, nobody needs to know, including the bishop.

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
Tithing is not charity (although its proceeds can be used for such a purpose). Tithing is a religious duty, gospel requirement, and its primary perpose is to help build up the kingdom of God on earth, and to spread the gospel. The bishop needs to know because it is his official duty to receive the tithings of Church members on behalf of the Church. But nobody else needs to know. And when I give money to charity, nobody needs to know, including the bishop.

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First of all I want to say thank you, for responding to me. 🙂 Secondly, yes Tithing is considered charity, otherwise you’re probably cheating on your tax return. 😃

I understand your point about the uses of tithing, and I agree, to an extent. As far as the Bishop (and/or SP) knowing about it; the only reason for him to have to know, is so that he can determine a persons worthiness for a temple recommend. 😦 He could “receive the tithings of Church members on behalf of the Church” without the disclosure of who gives how much. No further comment on that.

You didn’t really answer my question about whether you tell others that you “pay your tithing”. (I didn’t expect, nor did I really want you to). My point is, I can’t even count how many times I have heard LDS say that they “pay their tithing”. Usually it is in the context that, they expect to receive some blessing or other for doing so. I think there is something really wrong with getting so trapped into that mentality, regardless of scriptural references, and perhaps you will agree.

Shouldn’t our giving generate more of a feeling that we can make do with less, than thinking that we will receive more from doing so? And shouldn’t we realize that everything we do have, is already a blessing from God; and that giving back is saying: “Thank You”; not “Give me more”?
 
truthsilence said:
First of all I want to say thank you, for responding to me. Secondly, yes Tithing is considered charity, otherwise you’re probably cheating on your tax return.
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Not correct. It may be regarded charity according to the government’s legal definition of charity, but it is not charity according to our definition; and that is what counts as far as our theology is concerned. We determine our theological definitions; the government doesn’t.
I understand your point about the uses of tithing, and I agree, to an extent. As far as the Bishop (and/or SP) knowing about it; the only reason for him to have to know, is so that he can determine a persons worthiness for a temple recommend. He could “receive the tithings of Church members on behalf of the Church” without the disclosure of who gives how much. No further comment on that.
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Wrong again. The bishop knows how much tithing I pay, but he does not know whether I am a full tithe payer or not. If I chose to lie to him, he would have no way of knowing. To receive a temple recommend, you have to be a full tithe payer. When he interviews me for a temple recommend, he takes my word for it that I am a full tithe payer. He does not examine my counts. If I lied to him about it, he wouldn’t know.
You didn’t really answer my question about whether you tell others that you “pay your tithing”.
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I don’t understand your question. I don’t have to tell anyone that I am paying my tithing (apart form the bishop). If I tell anyone, it will be my own choice to do so, not anybody else’s.
(I didn’t expect, nor did I really want you to). My point is, I can’t even count how many times I have heard LDS say that they “pay their tithing”. Usually it is in the context that, they expect to receive some blessing or other for doing so.
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I fail to understand your line of inquiry. Paying tithing is a religious obligation and a duty, but also a privilege and a blessing. I feel I am privileged to be able to pay tihing. If someone is excommunicated from the Church, he cannot pay tithing. The Church will not accept his tithing. He can pay money into one of the charitable arms of the Church, but he cannot pay tithing. (Likewise a non-member cannot pay tithing). If I am thus privileged to pay tithing, I don’t see why I should be hesitant to acknowledge that fact.
I think there is something really wrong with getting so trapped into that mentality, regardless of scriptural references, and perhaps you will agree.
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I don’t agree at all. I am not trapped into any kind of mentality. I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. The Bible tells me that I receive blessings when I pay tithing (Malachi 3:8-12). If God tells me that I receive blessings for paying tithing, who are you to say that I don’t?
Shouldn’t our giving generate more of a feeling that we can make do with less, than thinking that we will receive more from doing so?
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My giving generates neither feeling. The feeling I get from it is one of gratitude for the privilege of being able to pay my tithing.
And shouldn’t we realize that everything we do have, is already a blessing from God; and that giving back is saying: “Thank You”; not “Give me more”?
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Where do you get these crazy ideas from? Who says that that is the attitude of LDS towards paying tithing? That is not my attitude, neither that of any other LDS that I know of.

zerinus
 
Again, Zerinus, thank you for the response. I’m afraid our comments have gotten this thread waaay off topic. As far as where I get my ideas from; I get them from associating with LDS, as well as having been one myself for a number of years. As a Catholic I have a much different understanding about giving and I pretty much explained what that is, in the last few lines of my previous post. If you don’t get it, thats ok. I don’t expect you to.
 
truthsilence said:
Again, Zerinus, thank you for the response. I’m afraid our comments have gotten this thread waaay off topic. As far as where I get my ideas from; I get them from associating with LDS, as well as having been one myself for a number of years. As a Catholic I have a much different understanding about giving and I pretty much explained what that is, in the last few lines of my previous post. If you don’t get it, thats ok. I don’t expect you to.
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I think that maybe we need another thread. The new and improved Ask Zerinus Morman Questions Thread (now with Charity!) I think things have gotten a little unkind at times in this thread (on both sides). We don’t need to be too politically correct (white washing what we believe about each others faiths), but we don’t want to be rude and condescending either.
 
zerinus said:
Funny, I think you are the one who don’t “get it” when it comes to my attitude towards paying tithing.

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I think I understand the Mormon attitude towards tithing very well. After all, it is extremely similar, if not identical, to that of the Health and Wealth theologians that have sprung up on TV, all Protestants. Just another finger pointing in the direction of Mormons being the illegitimate offspring of Martin Luther. I say “illegitimate” because Luther would hardly claim paternity over Mormons, were he alive today. We can know this, for sure, because ALL orthodox Protestants deny paternity over Mormons, and consider them the non-Christian cult offspring of the Devil. Yet, the disobedience Luther fostered did, in fact, lead to the cults, and much of the theology that developed into what we know today as Health and Wealth, ultimately comes from him.

Mormons, and other Protestant tithers, give in order to get. That has been proven. Zerinus has laid claim to this above, where he says:

““I don’t agree at all. I am not trapped into any kind of mentality. I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. The Bible tells me that I receive blessings when I pay tithing (Malachi 3:8-12). If God tells me that I receive blessings for paying tithing, who are you to say that I don’t?””
 
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