The Book Which is Most being read:Qur'an

[hasantas]

The thing is, if you research things that happened in the Bible (including the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ) you would see the miracles of the Bible. The same cannot be said about Islam. Since Christ’s crucifixion can be proved, then there is no need for further prophets. That makes Muhammed a false prophet. Jesus warned us not to follow false prophets so that pretty much sums up why I do not believe the Qur’an is a beautiful book.

Christ warned but you ignored. Someone added Trinity in your religion and you say that man got revelation. So where’s you would be careful about false prophets! Muhammad did not harm about disciplines of Jesus but Qur’an just warn about some issues which false prophets caused.

 

[hasantas]

Oh, I have no interest at all in convincing you of anything, I was just wondering whether, in your country, they explained the theory of evolution so that you’d understand what you’re arguing against.

Yes evolution is being argued by many aspects.

 

[KildareBrigid]

Christ warned but you ignored. Someone added Trinity in your religion and you say that man got revelation. So where’s you would be careful about false prophets! Muhammad did not harm about disciplines of Jesus but Qur’an just warn about some issues which false prophets caused.

This is untrue. Please prove with facts (not what the Qur’on says) that shows that the Trinity is false.

 

[hasantas]

This is untrue. Please prove with facts (not what the Qur’on says) that shows that the Trinity is false.

Did Jesus ever talk about Trinity? No. But perhaps false prophets. I have discussed Trinity many times. We come to a point that Christians say it is a mystery. They cannot prove Trinity in Bible or by logic. There is no basics of Trinity in Bible but there are many philosophical doctrines and explainings. Trinity is not object of that Thread and it take long to discuss.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Please follow the rules for inter-religious dialogue and debate

 

[TheAtheist]

Oh, I have no interest at all in convincing you of anything, I was just wondering whether, in your country, they explained the theory of evolution so that you’d understand what you’re arguing against.

Actually I’m quite interested in that myself.

Evolution isn’t exactly my line of work so to speak, but its rather unavoidable.

And i do so find it rather fascinating to see how its taught in other places…

Hasantas, if it isn’t too much to ask, what country do you come from?

A Gulf Arab state? One of the Central Asian Republics? Sub-Saharan Africa? etc.

 

[adamhovey1988]

I’ve actually never seen a red Qur’an.

I’ve got a few copies. I read the Bible way more.

 

[abucs]

I have read the Koran so i guess i have added to the number of people reading it. I do not in any way think the words come from God.

I think it is scary that people thing God dictated such words to an angel who dictated it to Mohammad who dictated it to scribes, whose words were collected by Zaid Bin Thabit and then compiled by the Caliph Uthman to create the koran as we know it today.

No disrespect intended but I do not think these words come from God.

I think the words are muddled and confused. I think there is a lot of rambling with little that accords with modern science. I also think it portrays God as a dictator who rejects those who do not agree with the words it speaks.

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

 

[KildareBrigid]

I have read the Koran so i guess i have added to the number of people reading it. I do not in any way think the words come from God.

I think it is scary that people thing God dictated such words to an angel who dictated it to Mohammad who dictated it to scribes, whose words were collected by Zaid Bin Thabit and then compiled by the Caliph Uthman to create the koran as we know it today.

No disrespect intended but I do not think these words come from God.

I think the words are muddled and confused. I think there is a lot of rambling with little that accords with modern science. I also think it portrays God as a dictator who rejects those who do not agree with the words it speaks.

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

Yes.

 

[MartinJordan]

I have read the Koran so i guess i have added to the number of people reading it. I do not in any way think the words come from God.

I think it is scary that people thing God dictated such words to an angel who dictated it to Mohammad who dictated it to scribes, whose words were collected by Zaid Bin Thabit and then compiled by the Caliph Uthman to create the koran as we know it today.

No disrespect intended but I do not think these words come from God.

I think the words are muddled and confused. I think there is a lot of rambling with little that accords with modern science. I also think it portrays God as a dictator who rejects those who do not agree with the words it speaks.

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

What about when Jesus spoke as a baby in the crib?

MJ

 

[Kaninchen]

Actually I’m quite interested in that myself.

Evolution isn’t exactly my line of work so to speak, but its rather unavoidable.

And i do so find it rather fascinating to see how its taught in other places…

The ‘monkey’ argument is a real giveaway every time - creationists themselves put it as one of the top “arguments creationists shouldn’t use” because it’s too embarrassing.

 

[Picky_Picky]

What are your thoughts on people reading, The Satanic Verses, by Salmon Rushdie? As a Christian, I’m allowed to read text that is overtly anti-Christian.

Jon

These days, these places. The Index existed until the 1960s.

 

[JustaServant]

Qur’an is the book which is most being red. Espesially in nowadays of Ramadan Qur’an is being red in Mosques and homes. In Mosques Hafizs read and other Muslims listen to Qur’an. In Ramadan many Muslim try to read whole Qur’an in Ramadan. That is at least 20 pages per day. Here the fruit is that: People do not read but Qur’an make them to read. I mean it is charm of Qur’an which make people to read. That fascinating of Qur’an is sourced from pure revelation from God. Qur’an(pure words of God) foster moral heart and the mind. And it is also a bit musical. Qur’an teach how to pray and worship. Qur’an teach the moral laws. Qur’an teach or point all sciences. A child can memorize the whole Qur’an. etc. etc. And all those make Qur’an miraculous. Is there any book equal to Qur’an?

Do you believe the Koran was created or uncreated?

 

[abucs]

What about when Jesus spoke as a baby in the crib?

MJ

Yes I think the Koranic passage where Jesus speaks from the crib lacks any context of deep reflection or meaning. It is one of those disjointed and superficial passages that looks like it is written by a child.

If you take this simple disjointed writing as true then it makes Islam look very muddled.

According to Islam Jesus was born to a virgin and given the Scripture directly by God in the womb. Jesus spoke straight after birth, knowing language, telling Mary how to get food and having knowledge of God and announcing he was a prophet, Islam also believes Jesus never died and will be the one to return at the end of the world to judge the world

whereas

Muhammad was born in the usual way and given his scripture as an adult by an angel over a period of decades and died of poisoning and will not be given the power of judgment over the world.

and yet Mohammad is the greatest messenger of God??? Vey muddled.

 

[Lenten_ashes]

You have free will.

But your thought that Muhammad had learnt from slave is so baseless and very comic. You are very far away from fact. Sorry! Because Muhammad had no so educated Christian slave(ındeed I do not know if Muhammad had got yet Muhammad was used to free slaves).

Even let’s assume He had. Which slave could have so knowledges? Jews scholars and pastors could not know as much as Muhammad about Jewish and Christianity and about religion and about stories of prophets etc. etc. Again you are very very far away from fact.

Greetings.

I think it’s very likely Muhammed and his entourage had access to both the Talmud and the OT. I know he was supposedly illiterate, but not everybody else was.

Take for example the Koranic quote 5:32

Qur’an 5:32 YUSUF ALI
On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

I believe Muhammed mistook this Talmudic quote as scripture when it never was in the history of humanity, considered inspired.

From the Talmud:

Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.
Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5; Yerushalmi Talmud 4:9, Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 37a.

Please do not be offended as I am just providing for you a critic’s POV as to what Muhammed’s sources may have been as we obviously do not consider him to be a prophet of the most high.

Thanks.

 

[hasantas]

Actually I’m quite interested in that myself.

Evolution isn’t exactly my line of work so to speak, but its rather unavoidable.

And i do so find it rather fascinating to see how its taught in other places…

Hasantas, if it isn’t too much to ask, what country do you come from?

A Gulf Arab state? One of the Central Asian Republics? Sub-Saharan Africa? etc.

Why do you ask? Turkey.

 

[hasantas]

I have read the Koran so i guess i have added to the number of people reading it. I do not in any way think the words come from God.

I think it is scary that people thing God dictated such words to an angel who dictated it to Mohammad who dictated it to scribes, whose words were collected by Zaid Bin Thabit and then compiled by the Caliph Uthman to create the koran as we know it today.

No disrespect intended but I do not think these words come from God.

I think the words are muddled and confused. I think there is a lot of rambling with little that accords with modern science. I also think it portrays God as a dictator who rejects those who do not agree with the words it speaks.

The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed

If Qur’an do not say Bible is from God hence I would never believe in that Gospels are from God. There are more than one different scriptures but those are supposed to be conveyed by one person! In that way it is more hard to believe. Qur’an is more viable in that way.

 

[hasantas]

Do you believe the Koran was created or uncreated?

Qur’an is not creature. That mean the meaning of Qur’an is not created but the words and letters which were created for human to understand meaning are created. God is eternal and we know God. God is not created. All attributes of God are eternal. Qur’an is word of God and word of God is eternal and not created. That issue is hard to understand!

 

[hasantas]

Qur’an is miracle through many ways. Just one in which the eyes can see the miracle. All word of Allah(in Arabic) match each others one under the other. The link is Turkish but every one can understand through the bottom videos.

hayrat.com.tr/icerik/kuran-ikerim/tevafuklu-kuran-i-kerim.aspx

 

[hasantas]

Greetings.

I think it’s very likely Muhammed and his entourage had access to both the Talmud and the OT. I know he was supposedly illiterate, but not everybody else was.

Take for example the Koranic quote 5:32

I believe Muhammed mistook this Talmudic quote as scripture when it never was in the history of humanity, considered inspired.

From the Talmud:

Please do not be offended as I am just providing for you a critic’s POV as to what Muhammed’s sources may have been as we obviously do not consider him to be a prophet of the most high.

Thanks.

Yes. yes yes. There were Google and Muhammad researched from that!

The fact is that who revealed Talmud so the same source revealed to Muhammad. That shows the source of Talmud and Qur’an was same. There are many other parallel verses. Thanks.