The Book Which is Most being read:Qur'an

[IgnatianPhilo]

When Muslims or Bahais interpret the verse in John regarding to the comforter to be about their Prophet/Manifestation I wonder how they would apply it to the Apostles. Verse 15 is not an isolated saying apart from a context it is said within the gathering of the apostles, is about to betray Jesus and Jesus is telling the apostles what it means to be disciples, his future death and the comfort and reassurance they will have. Except the Muslim/Bahai interpretation leaves the apostles comfortless, the Apostles will not be guided into all truth, despite Jesus praying for his apostles.

Is John 14:15-17 a promise to the apostles that they would die and Muhammad would come long after their efforts would fail? Or is it a promise to the apostles that this Spirit of truth, the Advocate/comforter would aid them? Jesus tells the apostles blatantly in 14:18 that he will not leave them orphaned. John 14:26 says the comforter will teach and remind the apostles about everything he has said.

Was Jesus not at all speaking to his apostles here? Was he instead speaking to Muslims 700 years later and Bahai 1800 years later? Hasantas do you believe Jesus did not reassure his apostles? That the promises were not to them?

 

[JimmyDFG]

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. John 15

Firstly Jesus did not say directly “Holy Spirit” but instead “spirit of truth” or Paraklit(Parakletos). If Jesus had implied Holy Spirit so He would say directly.

Comforter shall testify of Jesus. If Comforter would testify Jesus so we must know Comforter as a witness. Because Jesus said "And ye also shall bear witness

, because ye have been with me from the beginning. " Have ever any one seen Holy Spirit as a witness. No. But Muhammad was a witness for Jesus.

And.

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16.

Jesus said that the comforter would come after Him. But we know that Holy Spirit was almost with Jesus and Holy Spirit was used to be sent to previous prophets.

Jesus in verse 13 said He shall not speak of Himself. If Holy Spirit is God and Holy Spirit did not peak of Himself(from God) hence from whom Holy Spirit speak of? Is there another God? That description accord Muhammad. Muhammad did not talk from Himself because He was not used to know such things. It is written in Qur’an:

2-Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

3- Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

4- It is not but a revelation revealed, An-Najm(53)

It is not direct wirtten in Bible that Comforter must be % 100 human and that is not a suitable statement for Bible. From verses in Bible it is interpreted that Comforter must be totaly human. There is no a Ghost who dwell among people for ever! But Muhammad will dwell among us by His disciplines for ever. And Holy Spirit did not revealed apostles any revelation after Jesus. Did any apostle say that “Holy Spirit said that and that and that …?”

If Holy Spirit did not say anything directly so how could He be Comforter?

I’ve given you the explanation in detail about why it is NOT muhammad.

Matthew 3:16
After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water and behold, the heavens were opened [for him], and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove [and] coming upon him.

Notice the “Spirit of God”?
Notice that it doesn’t say muhammad or manifestation of god?

How can muhammad ever be a witness of Jesus from the beginning when muhammad did not know Jesus personally? The beginning would be at Jesus’ Baptism and the choosing of each and ever Disciple. As Jesus stated in John 15:16 “It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you…”

hasantas, If muhammad was there to be a witness and testify for Jesus. He would believe in the Crucifixion and also the Resurrection.

Why does muhammad not testify to the Crucfixion?
There are Jewish and Roman reports of the Crucifixion of Jesus. The Holy Spirits/“comforter” testifies to this. But muhammad does not.
Can you please answer this question.

You are right it is not in the Bible where it says the “comforter” will be 100%human.

CCC
692 When he proclaims and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit, Jesus calls him the “Paraclete,” literally, “he who is called to one’s side,” ad-vocatus. “Paraclete” is commonly translated by “consoler,” and Jesus is the first consoler. The Lord also called the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of truth.”

693 Besides the proper name of “Holy Spirit,” which is most frequently used in the Acts of the Apostles and in the Epistles, we also find in St. Paul the titles: the Spirit of the promise, the Spirit of adoption, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of the Lord, and the Spirit of God - and, in St. Peter, the Spirit of glory.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Are you well Hasantas?

Why did you start from John 15:26 ? What happened to your Bible before verse 26? Again I must ask patiently . Which is the official Bible Muslims use? For the Love of God answer this simple question .

MJ

A simple question indeed. But a very very long delay

 

[JimmyDFG]

What I explained is not just my opinion. Any one could be witness of that in any Islamic country. That is a fact in life of Muslims. If you do not believe then you must assume that as if Muslims never live!

“Any one could be witness of that in any Islamic country”

If I witnessed something and if I say what I think happen without any proof…Its an opinion.

IF it is the most read book in the world…does it count that its the same people reading it over and over again?

 

[MartinJordan]

It is not direct wirtten in Bible that Comforter must be % 100 human and that is not a suitable statement for Bible. From verses in Bible it is interpreted that Comforter must be totaly human. There is no a Ghost who dwell among people for ever! But Muhammad will dwell among us by His disciplines for ever. And Holy Spirit did not revealed apostles any revelation after Jesus. Did any apostle say that “Holy Spirit said that and that and that …?”

If Holy Spirit did not say anything directly so how could He be Comforter?

If you believe this kind of thing Hasantas maybe then you have been fooled to believe it

John 14 :15 Jesus goes on to say (now this is after the last supper from John 13 mind you)

15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that** I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.** 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23 Jesus replied, “**Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. **24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

So the Spirit of Truth is **Jesus **being with his disciples (and in Pentecost it happened) that is, the Holy Spirit is the Advocate/Comforter, which will remind the disciples all that Jesus said. That’s why Jesus says not to be afraid. He will not leave us orphans.

I think you really need to reflect on what has been fed to you (with all due respect for your traditions) and really study the Scriptures (Bible) more fervently than avoiding verses.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[hasantas]

When Muslims or Bahais interpret the verse in John regarding to the comforter to be about their Prophet/Manifestation I wonder how they would apply it to the Apostles. Verse 15 is not an isolated saying apart from a context it is said within the gathering of the apostles, is about to betray Jesus and Jesus is telling the apostles what it means to be disciples, his future death and the comfort and reassurance they will have. Except the Muslim/Bahai interpretation leaves the apostles comfortless, the Apostles will not be guided into all truth, despite Jesus praying for his apostles.

Is John 14:15-17 a promise to the apostles that they would die and Muhammad would come long after their efforts would fail? Or is it a promise to the apostles that this Spirit of truth, the Advocate/comforter would aid them? Jesus tells the apostles blatantly in 14:18 that he will not leave them orphaned. John 14:26 says the comforter will teach and remind the apostles about everything he has said.

Was Jesus not at all speaking to his apostles here? Was he instead speaking to Muslims 700 years later and Bahai 1800 years later? Hasantas do you believe Jesus did not reassure his apostles? That the promises were not to them?

15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

…

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus said that He would come back and but ye see me! When would Jesus come bak? After Comforter came. And that is near to last times of world. So when Jesus said "you
" but that means “believers”.

 

[hasantas]

Are you well Hasantas?

Why did you start from John 15:26 ? What happened to your Bible before verse 26? Again I must ask patiently . Which is the official Bible Muslims use? For the Love of God answer this simple question .

MJ

Your question is nonsense. Should I not skip the verses by which I interpret? Should I quote whole Bible for every time?

 

[hasantas]

“Any one could be witness of that in any Islamic country”

If I witnessed something and if I say what I think happen without any proof…Its an opinion.

IF it is the most read book in the world…does it count that its the same people reading it over and over again?

Yes. Same people read Qur’an again and again and again and again and again and again …

That is miracle of Qur’an that Qur’an do not get people tired and disgust.

 

[Michael68]

Yes. Same people read Qur’an again and again and again and again and again and again …

That is miracle of Qur’an that Qur’an do not get people tired and disgust.

Hey hasantas! I think if you would read the Holy Scriptures you wouldn’t be tired or disgusted

 

[JimmyDFG]

15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

…

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus said that He would come back and but ye see me! When would Jesus come bak? After Comforter came. And that is near to last times of world. So when Jesus said "you
" but that means “believers”.

This is becoming mind numbing. Why do you keep making the same arguments after we have explain in detail about how and why it is NOT muhammad for being the Holy Spirit/“Advocate” or the “Spirit of God”.
I’ll break it down for you once again in a much shorter form…
First of all, of the 5,366 Greek manuscripts of the NT, not a single manuscript contains the word periclytos(“praised one”), as the Muslims claim it should read.

Second, Jesus clearly identifies the “Advocate” as the Holy Spirit, not muhammed. Jesus referred to “the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send” (John 14:26).

Third, the “Advocate” was given to His disciples ( " you" John14:16), but muhammed was not.

Fourth, the “Advocate” was to abide with them “always” (John 14:16), but muhammed has been dead for 13 centuries!

Fifth, Jesus said to the disciples, “You know Him [The Advocate and Jesus] (John14:17), but they did not know muhammed. He wasn’t even born for 6 more centuries.

Sixth, Jesus told His apostles, the Advocate will be “in you” (John14:17). In no sense was muhammed “in” Jesus’ apostles.

Seventh, our Lord affirmed the Advocate would be sent “In My [Jesus’] name” (John 14:26). But no Muslim believes muhammed was sent by Jesus in His name.

Eighth, the Advocate Jesus would send would not “speak on His own” (John 16:13), whereas muhammed constantly testifies to himself in the quran (surah 33:40).

Ninth, the Helper would “glorify” Jesus (John 16:14), but muhammed claims to supersede Jesus, being a later prophet.

Finally, Jesus asserted that the Advocate would come in “not many days” (Acts 1:5), whereas muhammed did not come for 600 years.

hasantas, I’ll ask you again…
If muhammad was to testify and glorify Jesus, why did the “comforter”/muhammad deny the Crucifixion? There are Jewish and Roman reports of the Crucifixion of Jesus. The Holy Spirits/“Advocate” testifies to this.
Can you please answer this question.

Also, just a side note. You can see the Holy Trinity taking part here in John14:17 “… But you know it, because it remains with you…” Jesus speaking of Himself and the Holy Spirit

 

[JimmyDFG]

It is not direct wirtten in Bible that Comforter must be % 100 human and that is not a suitable statement for Bible. From verses in Bible it is interpreted that Comforter must be totaly human. There is no a Ghost who dwell among people for ever! But Muhammad will dwell among us by His disciplines for ever. And Holy Spirit did not revealed apostles any revelation after Jesus. Did any apostle say that “Holy Spirit said that and that and that …?”

If Holy Spirit did not say anything directly so how could He be Comforter?

It seems to be a double standard for you hasantas. It can’t be the Holy Spirit but muhammad can do it?
So how is it that muhammad and his “disciplines” will dwell among us forever? If your idea on this is based on whats in the quran itself…this is false. Because what I have typed and you are reading wherever people are in the world…I’m not dwelling with them.

“From verses in Bible it is interpreted that Comforter must be totally human”. Are you drawing this conclusion from where it says “He” when it says of the “Advocate”? By saying he or she does not necessarily mean human.
Matthew 3:16
After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water and behold, the heavens were opened [for him], and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove [and] coming upon him.

God is the Father so wouldn’t the “Spirit of God” / Holy Spirit / Advocate also be “He”?

 

[JimmyDFG]

Jesus said that He would come back and but ye see me! When would Jesus come bak? After Comforter came. And that is near to last times of world. So when Jesus said "you
" but that means “believers”.

You are mistake on this hasantas. What Jesus was talking about was his coming Crucifixion and his Resurrection. Which all came true …and the coming of the Holy Spirit/ “Advocate” at Pentecost.

John 16:16
A little while and you will no longer see me, and again a little while later and you will see me.

Also hasantas, Jesus had shown himself to Saul of Tarsus on the road to Damascus while he was persecuting Christian. later known as the Apostle Paul.

Also the conversion of Constantine at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge

John 14:26
The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name—he will teach you everything and remind you of all that * told you.

We are given the Holy Spirit at Baptism and we are reminded of all what Jesus said and done in Scripture and Mass

What has muhammad reminded the Disciples of all whatJesus told them?
What has muhammad reminded anyone of all what Jesus told them?*

 

[JimmyDFG]

And Holy Spirit did not revealed apostles any revelation after Jesus. Did any apostle say that “Holy Spirit said that and that and that …?”

Your question is answered in John 14:26
The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name—he will teach you everything and remind you of all that * told you *

Jesus is the final revelation. So what other revelation needed to come after Jesus?

 

[MartinJordan]

Your question is nonsense. Should I not skip the verses by which I interpret? Should I quote whole Bible for every time?

How can my question be nonsense when all I’m asking is for you to be sincere about Jesus holy words! Why are you treating Jesus in such manner?

I’m puzzled with this attitude . That’s why I also ask if you are well.

Now , again tell me why start from verse John 15: 26? As that is only part of Jesus’ words. Be fair please . And which Bible do Muslims use.

Maybe ask your imam if you don’t know. Please be sincere Hasantas.

Peace be with you .

MJ

 

[hasantas]

Hey hasantas! I think if you would read the Holy Scriptures you wouldn’t be tired or disgusted

Yes. I can enjoy Bible some.

 

[hasantas]

=JimmyDFG;14014306]This is becoming mind numbing. Why do you keep making the same arguments after we have explain in detail about how and why it is NOT muhammad for being the Holy Spirit/“Advocate” or the “Spirit of God”.

I also explain many issues but I think you ignore.

I’ll break it down for you once again in a much shorter form…
First of all, of the 5,366 Greek manuscripts of the NT, not a single manuscript contains the word periclytos(“praised one”), as the Muslims claim it should read.

Greek text is the translation form from Aramaic. We cannot know the fact as long as we have not original text of revelation.

Second, Jesus clearly identifies the “Advocate” as the Holy Spirit, not muhammed. Jesus referred to “the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send” (John 14:26).

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14

As you see it is not clear “Holy Spirit”. And also there is parallel verse in Qur’an.

22-You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those – He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him – those are the party of Allah. Unquestionably, the party of Allah – they are the successful. Al-Müjadillah (58)

The spirit may be interpreted in many ways.

But just notice that God is not used to send a spirit or an angel to preach people. Is that not clear enough?. Ah…Ofcourse if you can think that God had incarnated into human and preach! Hımm… Then you can think in any exotica way. And if Holy Spirit is something which can be send or posted or revealed hence how could that Holy Spirit be God? And yet that Holy spirit had taken form of a dove! Is that dove a god like Jesus? Because Jesus is assumed to be human form of God!

All these are not issues of Thread but you say as if I ignore what you say. Then I ask why do you ignore about all I explain?

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Hasantas one of the points I raised earlier which I didn’t see you respond to, is that your argument essentially leaves the apostles comfortless. That is do you recognise that the words of Jesus you are appealing to take place within a context in the book of John itself. Specifically part in contention begins in chapter 13, where Jesus has gathered his apostles together and is serving them by washing their feat and then when Judas leaves (John 13:30) Jesus begins to preach to his faithful disciples whom he knows will testify about him.

Your interpretation if we accept it, means that Jesus is promising the apostles Muhammad. The problem is that Muhammad came long after the apostles died, yet in 14:18 Christ says he will not leave them orphaned. Does it not make more sense that Jesus is reassuring his apostles that the comforter (who Christ says is the Holy Spirit in 14:26) will remind them of everything he has said to them? That he will bring them into all truth?

If the apostles didn’t receive the comforter, because the comforter is Muhammad then the apostles were comfortless. The whole church was comfortless and when Muhammad died I suppose the Muslim world is now comfortless. The talk Jesus gives his disciples is deeply intimate, Jesus is conveying who he is to them, what he is going to do for them after he has going. Your interpretation seemingly has Jesus do nothing for the apostles and why should we believe that Jesus did nothing for them and subsequently the Church which they spread?

 

[JimmyDFG]

Greek text is the translation form from Aramaic. We cannot know the fact as long as we have not original text of revelation.

“The oldest extant copy of a complete Bible is an early 4th-century parchment book preserved in the Vatican Library, and known as the Codex Vaticanus. The oldest copy of the Tanakh in Hebrew and Aramaic dates to the 10th century AD. The oldest copy of a complete Latin (Vulgate) Bible is the Codex Amiatinus, dating from the 8th century”

How do you know that this is not from the original?
Is there an islamic verse of the New Testament?

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14

As you see it is not clear “Holy Spirit”. And also there is parallel verse in Qur’an.

22-You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those – He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him – those are the party of Allah. Unquestionably, the party of Allah – they are the successful. Al-Müjadillah (58)

The spirit may be interpreted in many ways.

Even the Spirit of truth

But it says “Holy Spirit” in John 14:26.
John 14:17 it is the Spirit of Truth and in John 14:26 it is the Holy Spirit. Do you not know the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Truth?
As you said yourself hasantas…“The spirit may be interpreted in many ways.”
But unless there is an islamic version of “interpreted” of a spirit?

Catechism of the Catholic Church 692 When he proclaims and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit, Jesus calls him the “Paraclete,” literally, “he who is called to one’s side,” ad-vocatus. “Paraclete” is commonly translated by “consoler,” and Jesus is the first consoler. The Lord also called the Holy Spirit "the Spirit of truth.

Saying the Spirit of Truth affirms that it is Spirit. It does not say man/muhammad of truth.
It is Spirit!!!
If you read the whole chapter instead of picking words from verses you might understand better.
As MartinJordan had pointed out.

"He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. "
Again this is a double standard. Allah has supported them with spirit from him?
Why is it when Jesus said that Spirit of Truth/Holy Spirit/ Advocate will come, you believe it to be muhammad the “comforter”? But allah gives a spirit from himself that decreed’s in their hearts and also supports?

But just notice that God is not used to send a spirit or an angel to preach people. Is that not clear enough?. Ah…Ofcourse if you can think that God had incarnated into human and preach! Hımm… Then you can think in any exotica way. And if Holy Spirit is something which can be send or posted or revealed hence how could that Holy Spirit be God? And yet that Holy spirit had taken form of a dove! Is that dove a god like Jesus? Because Jesus is assumed to be human form of God!

All these are not issues of Thread but you say as if I ignore what you say. Then I ask why do you ignore about all I explain?

Hopefully this will answer some of your questions.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
690 Jesus is Christ, “anointed,” because the Spirit is his anointing, and everything that occurs from the Incarnation on derives from this fullness. When Christ is finally glorified, he can in turn send the Spirit from his place with the Father to those who believe in him: he communicates to them his glory,that is, the Holy Spirit who glorifies him. From that time on, this joint mission will be manifested in the children adopted by the Father in the Body of his Son: the mission of the Spirit of adoption is to unite them to Christ and make them live in him

701 The dove. At the end of the flood, whose symbolism refers to Baptism, a dove released by Noah returns with a fresh olive-tree branch in its beak as a sign that the earth was again habitable.When Christ comes up from the water of his baptism, the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, comes down upon him and remains with him.The Spirit comes down and remains in the purified hearts of the baptized. In certain churches, the Eucharist is reserved in a metal receptacle in the form of a dove (columbarium) suspended above the altar. Christian iconography traditionally uses a dove to suggest the Spirit.

" Ah…Ofcourse if you can think that God had incarnated into human and preach! "
If you can think about it hasantas, What Jesus said the Holy Spirit/ “Advocate” would do in John 14:15-26 the Holy Spirit has done. Whereas muhammad preach a totally different revelation.
As Jesus said “remind you of all that * told you”*

 

[JimmyDFG]

Greek text is the translation form from Aramaic. We cannot know the fact as long as we have not original text of revelation.

“The oldest extant copy of a complete Bible is an early 4th-century parchment book preserved in the Vatican Library, and known as the Codex Vaticanus. The oldest copy of the Tanakh in Hebrew and Aramaic dates to the 10th century AD. The oldest copy of a complete Latin (Vulgate) Bible is the Codex Amiatinus, dating from the 8th century”

How do you know that this is not from the original?
Is there an islamic verse of the New Testament?

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14

As you see it is not clear “Holy Spirit”. And also there is parallel verse in Qur’an.

22-You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those – He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him – those are the party of Allah. Unquestionably, the party of Allah – they are the successful. Al-Müjadillah (58)

The spirit may be interpreted in many ways.

“Even the Spirit of truth”

But it says “Holy Spirit” in John 14:26.
John 14:17 it is the Spirit of Truth and in John 14:26 it is the Holy Spirit. Do you not know the Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Truth?
As you said yourself hasantas…“The spirit may be interpreted in many ways.”
But unless there is an islamic version of “interpreted” of a spirit?

Catechism of the Catholic Church 692 When he proclaims and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit, Jesus calls him the “Paraclete,” literally, “he who is called to one’s side,” ad-vocatus. “Paraclete” is commonly translated by “consoler,” and Jesus is the first consoler. The Lord also called the Holy Spirit "the Spirit of truth.

Saying the Spirit of Truth affirms that it is Spirit. It does not say man/muhammad of truth.
It is Spirit!!!
If you read the whole chapter instead of picking words from verses you might understand better.
As MartinJordan had pointed out.

"He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. "
Again this is a double standard. Allah has supported them with spirit from him?
Why is it when Jesus said that Spirit of Truth/Holy Spirit/ Advocate will come, you believe it to be muhammad the “comforter”? But allah gives a spirit from himself that decreed’s in their hearts and also supports?

But just notice that God is not used to send a spirit or an angel to preach people. Is that not clear enough?. Ah…Ofcourse if you can think that God had incarnated into human and preach! Hımm… Then you can think in any exotica way. And if Holy Spirit is something which can be send or posted or revealed hence how could that Holy Spirit be God? And yet that Holy spirit had taken form of a dove! Is that dove a god like Jesus? Because Jesus is assumed to be human form of God!

All these are not issues of Thread but you say as if I ignore what you say. Then I ask why do you ignore about all I explain?

Hopefully this will answer some of your questions.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
690 Jesus is Christ, “anointed,” because the Spirit is his anointing, and everything that occurs from the Incarnation on derives from this fullness. When Christ is finally glorified, he can in turn send the Spirit from his place with the Father to those who believe in him: he communicates to them his glory,that is, the Holy Spirit who glorifies him. From that time on, this joint mission will be manifested in the children adopted by the Father in the Body of his Son: the mission of the Spirit of adoption is to unite them to Christ and make them live in him

701 The dove. At the end of the flood, whose symbolism refers to Baptism, a dove released by Noah returns with a fresh olive-tree branch in its beak as a sign that the earth was again habitable.When Christ comes up from the water of his baptism, the Holy Spirit, in the form of a dove, comes down upon him and remains with him.The Spirit comes down and remains in the purified hearts of the baptized. In certain churches, the Eucharist is reserved in a metal receptacle in the form of a dove (columbarium) suspended above the altar. Christian iconography traditionally uses a dove to suggest the Spirit.

" Ah…Ofcourse if you can think that God had incarnated into human and preach! "
If you can think about it hasantas, What Jesus said the Holy Spirit/ “Advocate” would do in John 14:15-26 the Holy Spirit has done. Whereas muhammad preach a totally different revelation.
As Jesus said “remind you of all that * told you”

hasantas,
IgnoatianPhil and MartinJordan had asked you very good questions. I’m looking forward to what your reply will be. Can you also please answer my question…
If muhammad was to testify and glorify Jesus, why did the “comforter”/muhammad deny the Crucifixion? There are Jewish and Roman reports of the Crucifixion of Jesus. The Holy Spirits/“Advocate” testifies to this.*

 

[gmcbroom]

What if I were to say the Koran points to catholism.