The Book Which is Most being read:Qur'an

[hasantas]

The slavery was administered in every countires in the past. Ottomans had no slavery initially but later that system got into Ottomans from eastern Islamic states. Indeed slavery was not established by Islam but it was so hardly founded which Islam could not abolish so easily. God encourage people to free slaves in Qur’an but someones thought that system was a social issue which was supported by custom.

 

[hasantas]

“We create man” God and someone else of equal has created life…and has given life. Could it be a Son perhaps? Angels are no equal to God…nor can angels create life and give life

Also one thing I noticed in your verse of the quran

“40- O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you and fulfill My covenant [upon you] that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me],and be afraid of [only] Me.”."

“41- And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me Al-Baqarah(2)”

Be afraid of [only] me …and fear [only] me.

This sounds totally opposite to what’s in 1 John 7:4
"Beloved, let us love one another, because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten by God and knows God. "

Yeah. You interpret that issue also in Bible too. Yet there are so clear verses which declare that God is one but you interpret some metaphorical verses by which it may imply that God is not one but more than one perhaps “three”!

God is not just love. Did God create Hell because of love?

 

[JimmyDFG]

It is said for about 56 millions people were killed in World War 2. And most of them were civliians. About 3 millions were killed during crusade. About 34 millionns slaves were killed and 16 millions of them were killed who were taken to America by westerns. At least 15 millions indians were killed in America by westerns… Is Islam in any case of that?

And now western powers make Muslims to kill each others. Most of extremist groups are established and supported by western powers to blemish Islamic countries. Unfortunately Islamic goverments have no enough power to prevent those outrages.

Ofcourse all Muslims are not innocent and there are many evil and cruel people name of whom is Muslim. These cruel cases can be intercepted through powerful and right politics. It is not just something interest in religion.

During World War 2 the Nazis moved to consolidate their power over the German churches and bring them in line with Nazi ideals. Christian leaders were sometimes persecuted for anti-Nazi political activities. 18% of the Polish clergy, were murdered for suspected ties to the Polish Resistance, or for sheltering Jews (punishable by death).
Christianity values and Nazism just do not go together.

As for the Crusades, you can say this was cased by islam since the Crusades were brought on because of the islamic /muslim conquest. The treatment of Christians under invading muslim armies in Spain, Portugal and France between AD 711-1492.
The Crusades weren’t started by Christians or the Church. Instead, they were
started to protect Christians from being killed and to reclaim the Holy Land and to stop islamic colonization. It is estimated that 2/3s of Christian lands were taken by muslim forces.

As for the Americas, I don’t know where you get your figures from but that seems a little high. But yes atrocities were committed but I can tell you that nowhere
in Church doctrine or the teachings of Christ does it justify or to do such actions

 

[JimmyDFG]

Yeah. You interpret that issue also in Bible too. Yet there are so clear verses which declare that God is one but you interpret some metaphorical verses by which it may imply that God is not one but more than one perhaps “three”!

God is not just love. Did God create Hell because of love?

You see Trinity by looking at the whole of
Scripture, not by looking at a single verse.
Just because the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, doesn’t mean that the concept is not taught. The word “monotheism” is not in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches it (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).

Trinitarian Verses
Matthew 28:19
“Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,”

1 Corinthians 12:4-6
There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit;
There are different forms of service but the same Lord;
There are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone.

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the holy Spirit be with all of you.

“Did God create Hell because of love?”
hasantas, It was satans actions that created hell

 

[JimmyDFG]

Qur’an is relevant in every since directly or indirectly.

In the quran 21:30 says that “…We made from water every living thing…” while man is said to have been created from dust (3:59).

 

[SyroMalankara]

Yeah. You interpret that issue also in Bible too. Yet there are so clear verses which declare that God is one but you interpret some metaphorical verses by which it may imply that God is not one but more than one perhaps “three”!

God is not just love. Did God create Hell because of love?

Hell is the absence of God’s love due to human choices. So your question is not comprehendable. God allows free will, man chooses hell. God allows that choice.

 

[SyroMalankara]

It is said for about 56 millions people were killed in World War 2. And most of them were civliians. About 3 millions were killed during crusade. About 34 millionns slaves were killed and 16 millions of them were killed who were taken to America by westerns. At least 15 millions indians were killed in America by westerns… Is Islam in any case of that?

And now western powers make Muslims to kill each others. Most of extremist groups are established and supported by western powers to blemish Islamic countries. Unfortunately Islamic goverments have no enough power to prevent those outrages.

Ofcourse all Muslims are not innocent and there are many evil and cruel people name of whom is Muslim. These cruel cases can be intercepted through powerful and right politics. It is not just something interest in religion.

The problem is precisely this. Islam and Muslims keep avoiding the problem and blaming everyone else. Just like you just showed. Islamic nations have slaves to this day, the infighting began soon after Mohammeds death - none of this is because of the West, of Christianity, because of Jews or anything but Islam itself

 

[hasantas]

Hell is the absence of God’s love due to human choices. So your question is not comprehendable. God allows free will, man chooses hell. God allows that choice.

Did God create Hell or Satans? As much I know there is no creator except God!

The love is one of attribute of God. There are many attributes of God and non of them is above other and all are eternal. Here just one website:

whyislam.org/god/names-and-attributes-of-allah/

People have different temperaments so humanbeing can receice several attributes of God. For instace Jesus had received love and Shafi(The one who cures and heals.) much more than other attributes. Muhammad had received all attributes at the most high level

 

[hasantas]

The problem is precisely this. Islam and Muslims keep avoiding the problem and blaming everyone else. Just like you just showed. Islamic nations have slaves to this day, the infighting began soon after Mohammeds death - none of this is because of the West, of Christianity, because of Jews or anything but Islam itself

You are right that Muslims think that all evils come from others in every case. Indeed Muslims have self problems inside. But that do not mean that westerns never involve in issues.

Slavery is a custom which had emerged before Islam. Islam as a first step encourage to abolish that custom and order some laws for rights of slaves. You can ask that question: If God forbid slavery why it continues yet? God had forbidden adultery, killing, burglary, liquor etc but some Muslims go on to commit such sins.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

God had forbidden adultery, killing, burglary, liquor etc but some Muslims go on to commit such sins.

And many others, too. Hasantas, this is for you. While just about reaching 2/3 of the way in Intermediate Arabic, I am beginning to appreciate some of the incredible beauty and profundity of some of the texts used in the lessons. For instance:

“Ihdina’s-sirat al-mustaqim” {Guide us on the Straight Path}
The caravan of creation is constantly moving toward God, the Exalted:
“Toward Him is the return”
and man is also endeavoring and moving:
“You are laboring toward your Lord”
and in every movement, there is only one straight path and all other paths are deviant. Islam has also determined both the path and guide for this movement, specified the destination, and given man the means of wayfaring. And it is us who have to choose which way to traverse.
God has endowed the desire for growth, perfection and the quest for truth in the depth of the soul and the natural disposition of every human being. If they are nurtured in the light of the teachings of the prophets (‘a), this desire and endeavor will earn the special favor of God: “As for those who are {rightly} guided, He enhances their guidance.”

This du’a is said 5 times a day, right? This can’t help but affect those who pray it. I think that despite theological differences, if someone is really pure in heart and seeking in such a sincere manner, such prayers cannot go unanswered.

 

[jlhargus]

As for the Americas, I don’t know where you get your figures from but that seems a little high. But yes atrocities were committed but I can tell you that nowhere in Church doctrine or the teachings of Christ does it justify or to do such actions

I seriously doubt there would have been even one hundred thousand Indians killed by war between Western and Indians. If I remember correctly in my reading, some years back, 15 to 16 million Indians died of smallpox and other European disease.

 

[jlhargus]

People have different temperaments so human being can receice several attributes of God. For instace Jesus had received love and Shafi(The one who cures and heals.) much more than other attributes. Muhammad had received all attributes at the most high level

What evidence can you post demonstrating Muhammad had any attributes at any level? In my opinion a statement without evidence is evidence the statement is without evidence.

Jesus as a man could control the weather, Mt8:25-27. Walked on water, Mt14:25-33. Raise the dead, cure the sick, Mt4:23-25. Restore sight to the blind, the lame walked, Mt11:4-6. Those gifts can still be given to any person to whom the Holy Spirit wills.

[Jn1:1 **In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5-13 …. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.]

The Word is God become flesh Jesus Christ. The Creator, the Way, the Truth, Life and the Light of the men.

The following are 99 names Islam gives to God. The bible gives those same names to Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

ALLAH=GOD. [Hebrews 1:6 And again, **when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.]

AL HAQQ=TRUTH. [John 14:6 **Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.]

AL BA’ ITH=THE RESURRECTION [John11:25 Jesus said unto her, **I am the resurrection, and the life he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:]

AL AWWAL and AL AKHIR=THE FIRST, THE LAST [Rv22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, **the first and the last.]

AL MALEK=KING. [Rv7:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and **king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.]

AL NUR=THE LIGHT [John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, **I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.]

AL ‘AZIZ=THE MIGHTY [Isaiah 9:6 For **unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.]

AL KHALIQ=THE CREATOR. [Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is **the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all thing created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.]

AL GAFFAR=FORGIVER. [Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath **translated us into the kingdom of his dear son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

AL QAHHAR=SUBDUER. [1Corinthians 15:28 And **when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.]

MALIK UL MULK=OWNER OF THE KINGDOM [2Peter 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into **the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

AL WARITH=THE ULTIMATE INHERITOR. [Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath **in these last days spoken unto us by his son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;]

 

[zamyrabyrd]

AL BA’ ITH=THE RESURRECTION [John11:25 Jesus said unto her, **I am the resurrection

, and the life he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:]

Only one thing, the term KIYAMA is generally used for RESURRECTION. EL-BA’ITH is the One who resurrects. Yom el-Kiyama is the Day of Resurrection or commonly referred to as Day of Judgement.

 

[hasantas]

In the quran 21:30 says that “…We made from water every living thing…” while man is said to have been created from dust (3:59).

Verses may point several facts.

quranmiracles.com/2011/10/man-created-from-dust-and-water/

 

[hasantas]

Another miracle in which Qur’an point the expanding of universe.

47- And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. Ad-Dhariyat(51)

 

[hasantas]

You see Trinity by looking at the whole of
Scripture, not by looking at a single verse.
Just because the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, doesn’t mean that the concept is not taught. The word “monotheism” is not in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches it (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8).

Trinitarian Verses
Matthew 28:19
“Go, therefore,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,”

1 Corinthians 12:4-6
There are different kinds of spiritual gifts but the same Spirit;
There are different forms of service but the same Lord;
There are different workings but the same God who produces all of them in everyone.

2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the holy Spirit be with all of you.

“Did God create Hell because of love?”
hasantas, It was satans actions that created hell

Did satans create Hell? Are satans creators? Or do you mean that God created Hell because of evil actions of satans? And that is true that the conclusion of evil actions is Hell.

God give ilness, disasters, hunger etc. All these actions cannot be explained just through love. Ofcourse love of God may appear in every case even in disasters but the main attribute is not love in every case.

Love is one of reason because of which God had created all things. God love His creatures because all things are products of God’s excellent and miraculous actions. And humanbeing has sense of love which was given human to hold love of God above everything(Muhabbatullah). One name of Muhammad is Habibullah(beloved of God).

Why God created Hell. Because God’s wisdom and knowing is eternal. So God knows which human will select the right way and which will trend to evil way timelessly. God know/knew/will know/beyond of time so God created Hell for people who decide to go on wrong way(rejection and other evil deeds) to punish them. God do not punish evil people because of love but God punish people because of some other attributes which we can say just as :

The Utterly Just, The Judge, The Arbitrator, The Truth, The Avenger, The Almighty, The Self Sufficient, The Most Honorable, The Powerful, The Irresistible, The Compeller, The Most Lofty, The, Restorer/Improver of Affairs, The All Compelling Subduer, The Sublimely Exalted, The Reckoner, The Wise etc.

And also there are Love, Mercy and Grace of God for unbelievers who will stay in Hell for ever. Because being disappeared for ever is the most evil for a being. Human want to survive even in jail in very bad ciscumstances. Hell is a kind of jail and people will suffer according to their sins and after that people will not suffer any more form fire or others but they will not get out for ever. And the Mercy and love of God for them is that they will not suffer any more from fire after a some time. They will stay in Hell(jail) for ever because they had rejected a ever lasting, eternal and endless God. Yes God is eternal through all attributes and an unbelievers reject eternal being God so they merit ever lasting punishment.

 

[jlhargus]

Another miracle in which Qur’an point the expanding of universe.

47- And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. Ad-Dhariyat(51)

[Job9:8 **Stretching out the heavens by Himself, And treading on the heights of the sea,]

How is this post or your other post demonstrating the quran is miraculous? Anyone familiar with Job could have told Mohammad of Job9:8. Also any demon would have known the universe expands. If the quran was from an all knowing God it would not be in such error regarding the Trinity.

Sura 5:116 implies Christians teach and took Jesus and Mary as two gods besides God. Forming a triad, God and two partners. It is most grossly in error when it implies the Church ever taught Mary was one of the Trinity. Such a teaching would be blasphemy.

Sura 4:171 … people of the book …… don’t say there are three gods ……

Again blasphemy the Church nor the bible has ever taught such a false teaching. Only a person who is truly ignorant of Christian teaching would have written such false concepts. The fact its in the quran tells me the quran is of human origin. Those errors could not have come from an all knowing God.

Muslims do well to believe God is One for God is truly One as the Church and the bible has always taught. One indivisible God=Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three indivisible persons in the One Indivisible Divine Essence=Being of the One God. There are not three Gods nor are there one God and two partners. The Trinity is the One Indivisible God.

 

[JimmyDFG]

Another miracle in which Qur’an point the expanding of universe.

47- And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. Ad-Dhariyat(51)

So which is it, the universe(what you said) or heaven (quran) that’s expanding? Because quranic visions of heaven are quite different than what we see in space. If you have proof that heaven is expanding…by all means, lets see it. Furthermore words in a book are not classified as being a miracle. A miracle would be walking on water or feeding five thousand out of five loaves and two fish.

 

[Cheiron]

Another miracle in which Qur’an point the expanding of universe.

47- And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. Ad-Dhariyat(51)

That verse does not say that the heaven (or universe in your translation) expands. It says ‘We’ - presumably God, using pluralis majestatis - expanded it.

This verse is very, very vague. Can’t you give us something more precise? A mathematical formula that predicts a particular event, like Einstein’s calculations about relativity and light bending? If a mere mortal like Einstein could make such accurate predictions, then I would expect nothing less from Allah.

 

[hasantas]

That verse does not say that the heaven (or universe in your translation) expands. It says ‘We’ - presumably God, using pluralis majestatis - expanded it.

This verse is very, very vague. Can’t you give us something more precise? A mathematical formula that predicts a particular event, like Einstein’s calculations about relativity and light bending? If a mere mortal like Einstein could make such accurate predictions, then I would expect nothing less from Allah.

You cannot relaize that God say I expand universe but a human say that universe expands. The science is the discovering natural laws which are indeed laws of God. And human name that laws as physical or chemical etc. If you relaize that the statements of Qur’an is not product of a practical probe but directly and outright explain the issue. Who can do that? Ofcourse an omniscience person can say that who has no need maths. And scientific formulas can be improved by times but knowledge of God is ultimate.

Qur’an point relativity but you will say it do not formulate! God imply that the time is relative.

4- The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years. Al-Maarij(70)

5- He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count. As-Sajdah(32)

And there are verses about light and stars and dark holes around which light bend. Offcourse Qur’an directly do not light bind but point by implication. And also there are implications for electricity and lamp in Nur(light) verse. Qur’an is not a scientific book to give such details which would be nonsense for people who were not aware of these before centuries.

35- Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things. An-Nur(24)

75- Then I swear by the setting of the stars,

76- And indeed, it is an oath – if you could know – [most] great. Al-Waqıah(56)

These verse point orbits and huge volumes of stars.

8- So when the stars are obliterated Al-Mursalat(77)

2- And what can make you know what is the night comer?

3- It is the piercing star – At-Tariq(86)

Point dark holes.