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Dtmccameron
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So the poor diseased people looking for work, THESE are the ones you deny access to? You bar you gates to those that need your aid the MOST?
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Wedgewood
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Wasn’t that also an excuse the government used when they slaughtered the Native Americans because they carried small pox?
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Dtmccameron
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Might have been, but as I understood it, it was the government that gave the Natives smallpox infected blankets on the cold nights of their journey to the reservations.
Needless to say, many freezing women and children didn’t make it to their prisons.
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Wedgewood
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You may be right, but I don’t understand your last sentence - it went right over my head.
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puzzleannie
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and don’t forget the intense lobbying in the 30s, using almost the same language that crops up in the current debate, to enforce immigration laws to bar Jewish immigrants and other refugees from fascism.
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LCMS_No_More
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What!? Pray for someone? That requires charity and a concern for someone’s soul. Far easier to throw stones and criticize while congratulating ourselves about how holy and righteous we are.
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LaLucia
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HEY ROMAN, GUESS WHAT? I just read today in the L.A. Newspapers that President Bush has started a new program named “GUEST WORKERS” to work in our fruit and veggie fields in the U.S.A.
HA, HA, HA. I just love the new name. That means that the guest worker program will bring more immigrants to our country and they will eventually become permanent residents and Americans like you.
Roman, you can’t control the need for workers in our country. This is why a lot of companies are now hiring workers who live in India and the Phillipiness and they can work from their own countries. Canada is another country that is getting lots of the movie business presently and in the future. Many jobs are being sent overseas.
The USA agriculture business will die without the GUEST WORKERS. Americans prefer to do other types of jobs. The price of fruits and veggies are getting super expensive since we have to buy imported fresh foods and canned foods. America doesn’t have the workers.
Roman, I guess you will have to buy your own island so you can be the only American.
HA, HA, HA. I just love the new name. That means that the guest worker program will bring more immigrants to our country and they will eventually become permanent residents and Americans like you.
Roman, you can’t control the need for workers in our country. This is why a lot of companies are now hiring workers who live in India and the Phillipiness and they can work from their own countries. Canada is another country that is getting lots of the movie business presently and in the future. Many jobs are being sent overseas.
The USA agriculture business will die without the GUEST WORKERS. Americans prefer to do other types of jobs. The price of fruits and veggies are getting super expensive since we have to buy imported fresh foods and canned foods. America doesn’t have the workers.
Roman, I guess you will have to buy your own island so you can be the only American.
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Dale_M
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I guess I am a bit skeptical about this. What are the volume of exotic diseases imported by illegal aliens?
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ora_pro_nobis
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Just noticed this is posted in the social justice forum. Blimey!
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pnewton
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Immigration is an issue of social justice.
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RomanCrusader
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We have plenty of unemployed AMERICANS who would kill for those jobs. The only reason the illegals get the jobs is because they will work for lower wages and in harder conditions.
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RomanCrusader
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Third world diseases (Chagas, dengue fever, leprosy) are swamping us now thanks to the illegal invasion. In addition tuberculosis, malaria, polio, hepatitis, syphilis, etc. rates are soaring.
For 40 years, only 900 cases of leprosy were found in the US. From 2000-2003, 7000+ cases were diagnosed, mostly in areas with high immigrant populations.
In 2002 N. Virginia reported a 17% surge in tuberculosis, 92% of of the cases being immigrants. Prince William County experienced a 188% increase. The average TB patient infects between 10-20 more people. N. Virginia is a hotspot of illegal Mexican immigrants (which explains the strong presence of latin gangs in the area).
One in every seven East Asian illegal immigrants is a carrier of Hepatits B (35x as much as the general population).
Nearly every new measles case in America is brought from abroad.
Chagas Disease, previosuly found in only Latin America (18 million infected), is now spreading by the thousands of Americans in southern border states.
There is nothing “compassionate” about exposing our children to these diseases, just so law-breaking illegals can reap the fruits of their acts.
From Pat Buchanan’s excellent book, State of Emergency.
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Pong
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And 73.46791% of statistics are made up on the spot… 
Pat Buchanan, now there’s a great non-biased source.
Pat Buchanan, now there’s a great non-biased source.Capitalism at its finest. If these people really would “kill” for these jobs, then they would work for the same rate as the immigrants.
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IvanKaramozov
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LOL, I had the exact same thought.And 73.46791% of statistics are made up on the spot…
Capitalism at its finest. If these people really would “kill” for these jobs, then they would work for the same rate as the immigrants.
Does anyone else find it Ironic that this argument about Illegals often comes from the side that raises hell if anyone even talks about raising the minimum wage?
Well, I agrea with RomanCrusaider and Mr. Buchanan, let’s insure the jobs no longer pay near slave llabor, in fact let’s make sure all jobs pay a fair rate and raise the minimum wage.
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JReducation
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Before we begin to talk about deporting illegal immigrants, we had better stop and think about where we’re posting. CAF is a Catholic forum, part of Catholic Answers. Watch where I’m going with this.
If we are going to speak of this issue in a Catholic thread, we must also consider what the Catholic Church has to say on this matter. The US Bishops have already made it clear that they will not support the deportation of illegal immigrants and that to do so is wrong.
While the Bishops understand the need for nations to protect themselves from terrorism, drugs and other dangers, they also recognize that the majority of the people who come to the United States as illegal immigrants are usually the very poor and oppressed of other countries who are looking for a better life for them and their children. They come to the USA in desperation.
Obviously, there are always going to be unsavoury characters in every group. But that happens in the natural born American family too. You can’t punish the entire population for that.
I grew up in the State Department. My father worked for the US Dept of State all of his life until he died many years ago. We lived abroad, while my father worked at US consulates. I saw how those who should be representing our country abroad treated people in their own country. The first thing that a US Consular Official asks you is whether you have money in the bank and property. If you have neither, your request for a visa to the USA is denied. They are very condescending toward the poor. A wealthy person approaches the US Consulate and is granted a visa, even if he or she is a criminal. How do you think that so many terrorists enter and leave the USA without suspicion? They enter legally. They present all of the proper bank accounts and proof of wealth.
Our system is flawed and unfair. Instead of fixing how we deal with people in other countries and how we give out visas, we encourage the migration of the wealthy and deny opportunities to poor families who really need a better life.
From a pastoral perspective, it makes little or no sense for the wealthiest nation in the world not to share its resources with those who have less. It is a sin to turn away the poor and encourage the wealthy of the world to enter our country. The Kingdom of God is for everyone and the poorest of the poor must always be at the heart of Catholic social and pastoral action.
When John Paul II was in Baltimore in the early 1990s he made a statement at the Cathedral. I was privileged to be there and hear it. “America, much will be asked of you, for much has been given to you.” As American Catholics, we must come to terms with the reality that our wealth, resources and power are not for our benefit, but for the benefit of the world. America is part of the Mystical Body. We cannot compartmentalize our values, Catholicism on one side and Patriotism on the other.
We are Catholics first, Americans second. If we can help our country to be more compassionate and find compassionate solutions to problems, be more generous with its resources and teach ourselves to live simpler lives so that others can share the wealth and prosperity of this great nation, then we will truly be blessed.
If we are going to speak of this issue in a Catholic thread, we must also consider what the Catholic Church has to say on this matter. The US Bishops have already made it clear that they will not support the deportation of illegal immigrants and that to do so is wrong.
While the Bishops understand the need for nations to protect themselves from terrorism, drugs and other dangers, they also recognize that the majority of the people who come to the United States as illegal immigrants are usually the very poor and oppressed of other countries who are looking for a better life for them and their children. They come to the USA in desperation.
Obviously, there are always going to be unsavoury characters in every group. But that happens in the natural born American family too. You can’t punish the entire population for that.
I grew up in the State Department. My father worked for the US Dept of State all of his life until he died many years ago. We lived abroad, while my father worked at US consulates. I saw how those who should be representing our country abroad treated people in their own country. The first thing that a US Consular Official asks you is whether you have money in the bank and property. If you have neither, your request for a visa to the USA is denied. They are very condescending toward the poor. A wealthy person approaches the US Consulate and is granted a visa, even if he or she is a criminal. How do you think that so many terrorists enter and leave the USA without suspicion? They enter legally. They present all of the proper bank accounts and proof of wealth.
Our system is flawed and unfair. Instead of fixing how we deal with people in other countries and how we give out visas, we encourage the migration of the wealthy and deny opportunities to poor families who really need a better life.
From a pastoral perspective, it makes little or no sense for the wealthiest nation in the world not to share its resources with those who have less. It is a sin to turn away the poor and encourage the wealthy of the world to enter our country. The Kingdom of God is for everyone and the poorest of the poor must always be at the heart of Catholic social and pastoral action.
When John Paul II was in Baltimore in the early 1990s he made a statement at the Cathedral. I was privileged to be there and hear it. “America, much will be asked of you, for much has been given to you.” As American Catholics, we must come to terms with the reality that our wealth, resources and power are not for our benefit, but for the benefit of the world. America is part of the Mystical Body. We cannot compartmentalize our values, Catholicism on one side and Patriotism on the other.
We are Catholics first, Americans second. If we can help our country to be more compassionate and find compassionate solutions to problems, be more generous with its resources and teach ourselves to live simpler lives so that others can share the wealth and prosperity of this great nation, then we will truly be blessed.
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pnewton
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Excellent point. ALso, I do not think the numbers match up. The number of unemployed, even if we do not limit the number to unskilled unemployed or delete the transitionally unemployed still is short of what is needed.
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pnewton
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Yes but we can disagree with Bishops in matters of how best Catholic doctrine is implemented. I wouldn’t mind deporting everyone here illegally. The CCC clearly gives the nations right to regulate immigration and places a burden on immigrants to respect those laws from CCC - 2241
So while I support the Catholic Church’s requirement that immigrants abide by immigration laws, I believe in unlimited, unregulated, monitered immigration of all without criminal records.
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SpokBBane
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This sounds like most of the fascist posts I read on the firearms forums.
Yes, something needs to be done about Mexico, and I would support extensive, radical, measures - but when it comes to the people themselves we have to remember that no matter what nonsense verbiage the neocons toss out: “illegals”, “invaders”, “reconquistas”, etc we as Catholics should view them as one thing only:
God’s children.
When the Lord asks how you took care of his children who were tired, poor, and sick will you be comfortable saying you deported them, built a fence, armed the fence, and shouted “they took are jobs!” ?
Me, I would rather die young from a disease when helping the poor than live to be 200 years old in a fancy house. However my goal, and I hope other Catholics goal is in between the two - and to help the poor make it in between those two extremes as well.
That is why, imho, we can not sit idly by while Mexico behaves the way it does - and we can treat the immigrants no less than we would treat a neighbor from “2 houses down the street” we grew up near.
OK, that’s as much as I delurk for now, feel free to shoot holes wherever in my thoughts. Mine are guided by people I trust with my soul, Our God and the Magesterium.
God Bless,
SpokBBane
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pnewton
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Statehood!
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lak611
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What about the poor people here who are American citizens? Shouldn’t we help them first before taking on more from foreign countries?
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