The call to 'jihad' by Prophet Jesus (pbuh)

[Joyousguard]

Seriously guys, yes Hambo is just trying to get a rise out of everyone here. He isn’t open to discussion at all.

Instead of replying to his troll-posts, it would be much more productive to say a Hail Mary for him each time you see him post. (don’t bother to announce it, just DO it)

The discussion is very enlightening. Its interesting to watch the apologetics of someone of the Muslim faith and the “questions” that are brought up about Christainity. Many of us do not have this opportunity in our daily lives.

I admire Hamba2chan’s persistence but he keeps trying to get inside by battering down the wall. The walls will not be breeched, but the front door is always wide open

A rough coarse rock is gently polished over time by the gentle ocean waves.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

The discussion is very enlightening. Its interesting to watch the apologetics of someone of the Muslim faith and the “questions” that are brought up about Christainity. Many of us do not have this opportunity in our daily lives.

I admire Hamba2chan’s persistence but he keeps trying to get inside by battering down the wall. The walls will not be breeched, but the front door is always wide open

A rough coarse rock is gently polished over time by the gentle ocean waves.

The problem that I have with Ham is my empathizing with his frustration with getting absolutely nowhere.

It actually hurts to see all that wasted “battering”.

If he were to simply say that it’s interesting to him that “battle” is mentioned as a worthwhile activity, and that “jihad” means (to him) a similar thing, whereupon we would be given the opportunity to make fools of ourselves in “proving” that “jihad” is ALWAYS bloody-nasty-evil battle.

But no, he’s got to reach into the far barren hinterland of multiply dis-contextual misinterpretation and say goofy things like any reference to anything with a + shape in Christian scripture or culture PROVES that Jesus promoted slicing people into bacon.

Oh well. I’m for the “Hail Mary” retort until he regains his mind.

 

[jttierney1]

The following is from another [

Why then do Christians insist on believing that Jesus is God i.e. something that Jesus himself NEVER](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=203201) said or emphasized throughout his ministry…

John 14:6 Jesus himself say’s “I am the way and the truth and the life”
No human can make that claim! Only God can say that. No human can say “I am the life,” we humans can only say we have life or have truth.
God = Truth
God = Life
God = The Way
Jesus declares himself God

Thomas called out to Jesus “My Lord and my God!” and Jesus agreed w/ him. John 20:28

Good luck with your search Hamba2han:thumbsup:

“The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.” Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

 

[Joyousguard]

The problem that I have with Ham is my empathizing with his frustration with getting absolutely nowhere.

It actually hurts to see all that wasted “battering”.

If he were to simply say that it’s interesting to him that “battle” is mentioned as a worthwhile activity, and that “jihad” means (to him) a similar thing, whereupon we would be given the opportunity to make fools of ourselves in “proving” that “jihad” is ALWAYS bloody-nasty-evil battle.

But no, he’s got to reach into the far barren hinterland of multiply dis-contextual misinterpretation and say goofy things like any reference to anything with a + shape in Christian scripture or culture PROVES that Jesus promoted slicing people into bacon.

Oh well. I’m for the “Hail Mary” retort until he regains his mind.

In an all honest assesment of Islam in regards to Theology, they are very much like children in their understanding, hence it feels like much of their arguments have been put together with finger paints and glitter.

Which means we have to be somewhat patient to a certain extent and hold their hands and guide them in the correct direction until their eyes are finally opened and they can walk by themselves.

Islam is alot like Facism and Communism, they need an enemy to attack constantly to shift focus from the problem that lies within. These threads have pointed out most obviously hypocricies in Islam and serious issues that need to be addressed and that is just on the very surface. Imagine how difficult it is to suppress such enormous revalations that come so easily to most.

If John Paul II helped bring an end to the Soviet Union, maybe a quick prayer to him about Islam as well might be in order.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

This thread (regarding the sword as the cross) reminds me of a funny joke…

Little Johnny was a troubled student so his parents sent him to a Catholic school for some discipline. Within weeks, his mathematics grades improved. His parents asked him what was the motivation for his turnaround, and he said, “When those Nuns showed me the picture of a man nailed to that plus sign, I knew they meant business!”

P.S. The name “Johnny” can be subsituted for any other name, hamba2han.

 

[dolphinlove]

Oh no, Hamba please dont stop, your giving me a great belly laugh.
Im praying for you Hamba, i really hope Jesus saves you soon.

 

[Reuben_J]

I could not stop from laughing reading your post. You are correct. I used to hang my rosary around the windshield mirror in my car. After my muslim friend borrowed my car, I realize that my rosary was gone. Later he admitted that he took it off, and put the rosary in the drawer. Sorry for being off topic…

The only things that I know that are afraid of the crucifix are vampires and devils. …

Just kidding, guys.

Too much vampire movies!

 

[Joyousguard]

It becomes extraordinarily sad that the words and life of Christ are not looked at in themsleves by Muslims but are rather colored in the shadow of Mohammed. When you have a man such as Mohhamed who killed and forced others to convert by the sword, this seems to color and affect the thinking of Muslims when it comes to Christianity. If Mohmammed did it, everyone else must have too!?!?!?!

 

[Mjae]

The only ‘Jihad’ Jesus calls me to is to love God with all my heart and my soul, and to love my fellow man as much as I love myself.

All other commandments are encompassed within these two.

Nowhere does it state or imply that I must murder my fellow man because he doesn’t worship the way I think he should.

 

[hamba2han]

Christians should realise that they do not have a monopoly on LOVE.

Satan LOVES making the children of Adam stray away from the true path.

This is why Muslims LOVE the Truth for it can only come from Allah and it is something that Satan truly hates.

To know the Truth, Christians really do need to refer to what Jesus (pbuh) actually says in the Bible… NOT merely listen to what their hearts are saying for it is not a big problem for Satan to whisper things into people’s hearts.

Remember that the Truth will set you free.

 

[Denis_Laplante]

I thought Muhammad himself used to fight only against those who acted against him through threats, attempts to kill him… and that the use of arms to force the countries to become Muslim countries was led by some of his successors. Of course, I might be mistaken here.
By the way, how many ways of interpreting a Sourate and its verses are there in Islam? Are there some “schools of thought”? Do they have an overseeing authority who would tell the Muslims which interpretations are O.K. and which are not?
What can show me whether Hamba2’s interpretation of the Koran verses he quoted is correct or not? Is he a Muslim scholar, or just a Muslim “layman”, if you will?
God bless you!

 

[CentralFLJames]

Christians should realise that they do not have a monopoly on LOVE.

Satan LOVES making the children of Adam stray away from the true path.

This is why Muslims LOVE the Truth for it can only come from Allah and it is something that Satan truly hates.

To know the Truth, Christians really do need to refer to what Jesus (pbuh) actually says in the Bible… NOT merely listen to what their hearts are saying for it is not a big problem for Satan to whisper things into people’s hearts.

Remember that the Truth will set you free.

It’s too ironic that you go all the way back to Adam and the garden of Eden to compare the Love of Satan with the Love of Christians. That’s like comparing apples and oranges - two different things. There is NO love in Satan. With Satan there is only hate, deception and lies. God says through Jesus "I will write my laws on your hearts’ (Jeremiah. 31:33). So we Christians hear with our hearts as well as our minds. God’s love is not fully found in the cold stone tablets of Moses 10 commandments anymore so than it is found in the stone cold hearts of those that have contempt for humanity. Christians love and are obedient to love. They are not obedient to fear.

Christians are called to reverently but confidently come to God as “God The Father” and embrace Him in love as His inherited children to receive the full affections of God.

Islam embraces the old testament slave relationship to God out of fear.

If Muslims loved the truth they would first learn their own history, then learn how to read and interpret scriptures and then love their fellow man as the claim they love God. Islam can not be charitable without loving both God and Man any more so than the sword (or the cross) seperate God from the Love of Jesus his fully Human Son who is also fully Divine. The relationship between God and Jesus forms the entire word of the two great commandments - Love God and Love Neighbor. It is impossible to love God without Loving your neighbor - which is what Islam attempts to do. So Islam can never be obedient to God while it holds the rest of humanity in contempt.

James

 

[Joyousguard]

hamba2han;3077682]Christians should realise that they do not have a monopoly on LOVE.

No one ever suggested such a thing. We do not have a monopoly on love nor would we calim such. We do however, have a more fully understanding of Love.

Satan LOVES making the children of Adam stray away from the true path.

Very true

This is why Muslims LOVE the Truth for it can only come from Allah and it is something that Satan truly hates.

No problems here

To know the Truth, Christians really do need to refer to what Jesus (pbuh) actually says in the Bible… NOT merely listen to what their hearts are saying for it is not a big problem for Satan to whisper things into people’s hearts.

I realize you are new to Theology and a novice of logi as well it would seem. First and foremost, what you do is “cherry pick” your citations and texts from Christainity and never bother to look further into the words other than what is on the obvious surface. I feel bad for you if you ever have to analyze poetry or Shakespeare.

Not only do we have the Gospels and the actual words of Christ, but we have the teachings and understanding of the men who were actually with Him during His ministry. Further still, we have the reflections and contemplations of thousands of theologians to help us better understand what we know to be true.

I have read all your posts on this thread and have routinely seen you side step major issues and flaws in your theology, logic and reasoning. Simply repeating your same point over and over again after it has already been negated and renedered impudent is the very definition of fanticism.

You speak of Satan whispering into men’s hearts. I can not speak for what is in your heart but I have seen what is in your head. It is far easier for Satan to corrupt one’s mind then heart. I have seen your posts be painstakingly responded to in great detail without the common courtesy of responding in turn to those who have put great effort into their endeavours.

Remember that the Truth will set you free.

He already has

 

[Denis_Laplante]

Now what Hamba2han says about LOVE is quite interesting. It reminds me of the Big Bad Zeke the Wolf who told his son (who was in friendly terms with the Three Pigs): “But I do love them (the 3 Pigs)!!)”… as his dinner, of course.
Now, I am glad that Muslims are also truth-seekers. But how does one Muslim tell the truth from the false (not necessarily lies: one can be very sincere and still state a false thing!) in the Muslim traditions?
How can you know, Hamba2han, that you really are in the truth and not in the false? Thank you, and may Allah truly be with you.

 

[mangy_dog]

Christians should realise that they do not have a monopoly on LOVE.

Satan LOVES making the children of Adam stray away from the true path.

This is why Muslims LOVE the Truth for it can only come from Allah and it is something that Satan truly hates.

To know the Truth, Christians really do need to refer to what Jesus (pbuh) actually says in the Bible… NOT merely listen to what their hearts are saying for it is not a big problem for Satan to whisper things into people’s hearts.

Remember that the Truth will set you free.

Will somebody please (pretty please) tell me what (pbuh) means.?
Hambo won’t take time out from his busy “jihad” schedule to tell me.

 

[CentralFLJames]

Will somebody please (pretty please) tell me what (pbuh) means.?
Hambo won’t take time out from his busy “jihad” schedule to tell me.

actually this is the 3rd time now its been said:
pbuh is an abbreviation for Peace Be Unto Him.
It’s a standard lip service intended to show respect when speaking of somone related to scripture. But it so over used that its become as common as “hello” or “mr.” or “sir”.

Note that Islam only claims Jesus was a prophet - below Mohammad in stature. So in the context of that belief the term pbuh - is really just a way to impart a false reverence for a belief that is heretical and false.

James

 

[mangy_dog]

Will somebody please (pretty please) tell me what (pbuh) means.?
Hambo won’t take time out from his busy “jihad” schedule to tell me.

Jesus (pbuh) Does it mean this???

Jesus

p------please

b------bring

u------us (muslims)

h-------home (to the catholic church)

That’s it isn’t it?? I got it right??

 

[Denis_Laplante]

I can only guess, about this pbuh, that it might mean “Please be unequivocally humane”… Of course, it might mean something else!
“I haven’t come to condemn, but to save.” -Jesus
“I don’t seek death to the sinner, but that he changes and lives.” (God, in the Book of the Prophet Ezechiel)

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

In an all honest assesment of Islam in regards to Theology, they are very much like children in their understanding, hence it feels like much of their arguments have been put together with finger paints and glitter.

Which means we have to be somewhat patient to a certain extent and hold their hands and guide them in the correct direction until their eyes are finally opened and they can walk by themselves.

Islam is alot like Facism and Communism, they need an enemy to attack constantly to shift focus from the problem that lies within. These threads have pointed out most obviously hypocricies in Islam and serious issues that need to be addressed and that is just on the very surface. Imagine how difficult it is to suppress such enormous revalations that come so easily to most.

If John Paul II helped bring an end to the Soviet Union, maybe a quick prayer to him about Islam as well might be in order.

Amen.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Christians should realise that they do not have a monopoly on LOVE.

Satan LOVES making the children of Adam stray away from the true path.

This is why Muslims LOVE the Truth for it can only come from Allah and it is something that Satan truly hates.

To know the Truth, Christians really do need to refer to what Jesus (pbuh) actually says in the Bible… NOT merely listen to what their hearts are saying for it is not a big problem for Satan to whisper things into people’s hearts.

Remember that the Truth will set you free.

Moslem love is subservient to their so-called truth.

Christian truth IS love.

Since moslems say that Christians should listen to what Jesus says in the bible, then say that the Christian bible is corrupt, this tells me only that they see nothing wrong with using corrupt references in support of their causes.

Please explain to me how using a corrupt resource to support a “cause” that the authors of the corrupt resource don’t support is acceptable?