The call to 'jihad' by Prophet Jesus (pbuh)

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So Hamba2han,

going back to our topic of jihad.

You said that works speak louder than words.

Let’s say that we are all a bunch of lunatics and that Jesus was really asking for jihad including battles, swords, and killing.

Give us, ONE, just ONE battle lead by Jesus or any of His disciples either in NT or Tradition.

If you cannot find not even one, then allow us to repeat your statement : works speak louder than words. FROM WORKS YOU UNDERSTAND WORDS BETTER.

If your interpretation is correct, then Jesus did not follow His own words, neither did any of His disciples.

If Jesus and His disciples OPPOSE your interpretation in deeds and teachings, then your interpretation is wrong.

If you do not understand this simple idea, then you will have to reassess your theological reasoning and arguments if you want to carry a meaningful theological debate.
 
FROM JOSEPH FARAH’S G2 BULLETIN
Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S.
Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters

Posted: July 11, 2005
12:22 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.
According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the “American Hiroshima” and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.
Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.
In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden’s group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.
The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as “the Great Satan.”
At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.
But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this “American Hiroshima” plan, according to an upcoming book, “The Al Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse,” by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.
According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.
“Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons,” wrote Williams. “One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone.”
According to the author, the news sent Bush “through the roof,” prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.
However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.
Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.
Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico’s official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver’s licenses.
 
The Bush administration’s unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.
According to Williams’ sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming “American Hiroshima” plan.
Bin Laden’s goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.
There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.
The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.
In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative “to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate.”
“Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time,” he said. “As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of ‘when,’ not ‘if.’ And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation’s margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil.”
 
Now I realize some of you may not be interested. And I realize that some of you find these things “funny”.

I also realize many of you are unaware of what’s happening with your fellow Catholic churches (and Protestant churches) in Kosovo. There’s something the US news media barely reported on.

Churches in Kosovo are being blown up, burned, bulldozed, and an Islamic Mosque put on the foundation.

Is this funny too? I suppose it is to those who research nothing! And therefore know nothing!

My favorite option on these forums…the ignore button!
SE
 
Special Ed, am sorry but i don’t understand what you’re pointing at 😊 are you sure you did not misunderstand some statement?
 
Just where did you get this information from??

This is ABSOLUTELY not true.

The Qur’an was completed and authenticated by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself shortly before he died …

The Qur’an we have today is, word for word and syllable for syllable, exactly the same as that which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) some 1,400 years ago.
Hamba - I really admire your faith in what you want to believe. But we need to get you to apply that strong faith to the real truth and you will be a very good Christian brother.

I do not want to break your spirit but I must again differ so I can correct you. The pedigree of the Quran is very dubious. I don’t know if you believe in the Sunni or the Shia traditions but all are unreliable. All Islamic traditions and teachings and other so called holy books Suhuf-i-Ibrahim (commonly the Scrolls of Abraham), the Tawrat (Torah), the Zabur (commonly the Psalms), the Injil (commonly the Gospel), Hadeth, Shari’ah, Sunnah etc. etc. ad nauseum ] are even doubly more dubious and unreliable than the Quran. The documents are passed down by unreliable oral traditions and are all tangled together into a complex nest of interdependent, contradictory and circular hyperbola. One Islamic Judge or Cleric can find no wrong where another will call for a person to be executed. That is the insanity of Islam - its written for archaic people who are at least 800 years behind the rest of the world’s educational, intellectual and social development. Islam missed the boat and no one with a brain and an education is buying it’s nonsense.

The Qur’an did not exist as a single volume between two covers at the time of Muhammad’s death in 632. According to Sahih al-Bukhari, written some 200 years after Muhammad’s death, this task fell to the scribe Zayd ibn Thabit at the direction of the first Muslim caliph Abu Bakr. Ibn Thabit gathered the Qur’anic material “collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men who knew it by heart”.

I don’t want to even get into the ridiculous omission of the Satanic Verses where Muhammad changed his mind about permitting those polygamist worshipers in Mecca to pray to the pagan goddesses Allāt, al-'Uzzā and Manāt to forgive sins to encourage them to convert to a new Islam that permitted some pagan false gods.

There exists neither any evidence of copies of the Qur’an from within the century in which it was claimed to have been compiled nor any verifiable Islamic documents prior to 750 A.D. that corroborate the origins of the Qur’an. Thus, the skeptical view concludes, one cannot assume the traditionalist view to be true. All the primary sources which exist are from 150-300 years after the events which they describe, and thus are chronologically far removed from those events.

According to some, since Muhammad could neither read nor write, he would memorize the Qur’an, and later recite it to his companions, who also memorized it. Before it was written down the memorized form of the Qur’an prevailed as the mode of teaching it to others.

A passed down oral tradition among men who were more like thieves, marauders and murderers than they were holy men is certainly not a very reliable form of “truth” to place one’s immortal soul in.

Initial revelation were not even written on paper. It was written on different sort of parchments, tablets of stone, branches of date trees, other wood, leaves, leather and even bones.
Having studied early Quran manuscripts John Gilchrist states: “The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad’s death.” (“Jam’ Al-Qur’an”, page 153) He comes to this conclusion because two of the oldest manuscripts, the Samarqand and Topkapi codices are both written in the Kufic script. It “can generally be dated from the late eight century depending on the extent of development in the character of the script in each case.” (Ibid. page 146)

Here are just a few of my references:
  1. Origin of Quaran
  2. Yehuda D. Nevo “Towards a Prehistory of Islam,” Jerusalem Studies in Arabic and Islam, vol.17, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, 1994 p.108
  3. John Wansbrough The Sectarian Milieu: Content and Composition of Islamic Salvation History, Oxford, Oxford University Press, 1978 p,119
  4. Patricia Crone Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam, Princeton University Press, 1987 p.204
  5. Code:
            [Quran](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an)
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James
 
If Muhammad was illiterate as Muslims claim, how could he authenticate what he couldn’t read?? 😃

Vickie
I think the tradition was to hold a sword to his men’s throats as they read back what he said. If any showed any nervousness or stuttered in their speech to emulate verbatim his revealed words as they sounded when he spoke then during his many epileptic seizures he took that as a translation error or criticism and lopped off their heads or cut out their tongues. 😃

Even the local poets and literary people in Mecca and Medina were routinely assassinated or murdered by order of Mohammad. All his men had to do to get in favor with Mohammad was spread a new rumor that a poet or writer was speaking out against Mohammad. Mohammad was very paranoid and insecure in his illiteracy. He resented anyone who could have more power with words than he could with his sword since he was an expert swordsman but an incompetent writer.

James
 
Woof! You’ve got MY head spinning! I’ve no doubt they love YOU no end at the local mosque! :eek:
Ha, no doubt - but I think you mean “love” in the Islamic tradition and sense of the word which translates to westerners as “love to hate”.

This Koranic verse pretty much sums up Islam’s true nature and spirit:
Qur'an 87:10:
“He who fears will mind.”
But I have no personal fears about speaking the truth what so ever since I have a special devotion to the Archangel Michael. I am under his direct protection as well as protected by Archangel Gabriel, Archangel Raphael and of course my own personal Guardian Angel(s). What is ironic to me is that St. Gabriel was the very same angel that Mohammad claims revealed God’s words to him. St. Gabriel is the same angel who revealed to Mary about Jesus in the immaculate conception. Nothing like trying to hijack scripture 600 years late! So Mohammad can’t have known the Archangel Gabriel because Gabriel and I get along great; even when I speak out against Islamic lunacy! So given I am not stricken by my angel friends but rather defended by them - me thinks Mohammad either fabricated Islam for personal gain or was in fact possessed by a Jinn. Most of his own tribe thought he was possessed. And Mohammad never forgave them for that and later came back and slaughtered nearly all of them. What a fine way for an ungrateful orphan to show appreciation and the “peace” of Islam to the closest thing to a family Mohammad ever knew…

So any suicidal Islamic trying to come at me for speaking the truth would be swiftly rebuked and sent running or things would suddenly blow up in their own face. 👍

If anyone wants to start the same St. Michael devotion and get a divine protection that is infinitely better and less bulky than body armor go here: Chaplet of St. Michael

Peace,
James
 
So any suicidal Islamic trying to come at me for speaking the truth would be swiftly rebuked and sent running or things would suddenly blow up in their own face. 👍

Peace,
James
From what have been noted here, maybe you can use the crucifix too. Seem they (or is that the power bwhind them?) are quite allergic (afraid) to this thing. 😃
 
The Qur’an we have today is, word for word and syllable for syllable, **exactly the same **as that which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) some 1,400 years ago.
… **exactly the same **as the version concocted by Uthman! Even then they are not exactly the same after the introduction of numberings and punctuations which can change the meaning of the words drastically depending on where you put them. This may be trivial matter but considering the claim that the Quran is perfect and not being changed a single iota, the premise of the validity of the Quran crumbles down the drain.

Then there are problems about the abrogated verses – verses that contradict the earlier revelations. This has been said many times – but how could Allah made mistakes? Did Allah capable of making mistakes or was that merely Mohammad, in order to fit into the changing fortune he designed?

The Quran essentially is a collection of sayings, compiled haphazardly and arranged not in any chronological order making it very incoherent and difficult to understand and interpret. Present day Muslims still suffer the consequence of this book, unable to follow which are the right meanings of the Quranic verses. One such example is the meaning and the actualizing of the term “Jihad”.

Then you may never know which verses in the Qurans are supposed to be from Satan and which ones from Allah. Taking of course the claim that Allah was God.

With all these questions and doubts, it is difficult to put one’s life eternal into the so-called revelations of the Quran. It certainly would be very wise indeed to go for something that had been corroborated through centuries of documentations and traditions instead of a book founded by simply the swiping of the scimitars. I hope we know which one is the Bible and which one is the Quran.

Remember too of the warning regarding false prophets. Just in case some of us get carry away by the discussion here. Once a while remember that false prophet will surface among you and you should be wary of his trickery less we all be going into his way of damnation.

God bless.
 
Hamba2han,

What is your response to what my my brother Ferg said,

With Imperialistic Islam, though collateral damage frequently kills their own, the focus of their attacks are consistently on non-Islamic peoples - 'infidels", as defined by the Qur’an.

To better understand the hate fueling modern day Islam, one must first look back to its roots. From Ishmael, whose birthright was denied, to Esau and Jacob - rivaling twins, the seed of hate was sewn.

What evolved thereafter was a bitter, jealousy that has been passed down to every Arab generation since. By the 7th century, this ancient hatred made its way into the heart and mind of a common-criminal named Mohammed - an Arab and descendant of Ishmael, who founded a religion and used it to justify his countless, criminal acts of murder.

Both the western media and the Arab press routinely offer biased, politicized answers to what they believe drives this Islamic hatred for the west. From ‘US support for Israel’ to ‘US secularism,’ we’ve heard them all, and despite attempts to justify their inhumane acts, the truth is, Muslims have been committing terrorist acts for some 1,300 years - long before ‘western culturalism’ or ‘US support for Israel’ ever existed. And despite such history, we continue to ignorantly look elsewhere for the reasons.

From the early days of Islam to today’s globally televised beheadings, Muslims are simply acting-out what Mohammed believed, and what the Qur’an teaches. And when Qur’anic Law was given the opportunity to govern, its violent, 7th century intolerance was seen through the eyes of Afghanistan’s Taliban - a view of converting and uniting the Arab world under Islamic Law by sword first, and everyone else second.

What truly is at the heart of the Islamists hatred today is no different than that which fueled Mohammed’s hatred as he wrote the Qur’an.

**It is the belief and goal of a one-world, global Islamic empire run by Qur’anic Law whereby everyone must, in the end, convert to their fundamentalist ideology or face beheading. **

The hatred that fuels this theocracy dates back to Ishmael and his son-in-law Esau, and from there, compounded to form the foundations of Islamicism which is the reason why most of the world conflicts today involve Muslims.

The Origins of Hatred

Ishmael and Isaac;

In 1910 bc, Abraham’s wife, Sarah, frustrated with her inability to have a child and impatient with God’s timing, asked Abraham to give her a child through their Egyptian maidservant ‘Hagar’.

Gen 16:1 Now Sarai Abram’s wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name [was] Hagar.

2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.

Hagar, servant that she was, submitted to being used this way. But her pregnancy gave birth to strong feelings of superiority toward Sarah. During Hagar’s pregnancy, friction began to develop between Sarah and Hagar and when Hagar could no longer endure it, she fled into the desert. There God instructed her to return to Sarah;

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Into this tense, atmosphere Ishmael was born and for 13 years Abraham thought Ishmael’s birth had fulfilled God’s promise (Ishmael would become the progenitor of today’s Arab world - the Arabs are an Ishmaelite race).

When Abraham reached 99 years of age, God appeared to him and announced that his wife Sarah would bear him a son and that they would call him Isaac. And it would be through Isaac that God would establish His covenant (Isaac became the father of the Israelites). Abraham struggled with this because he loved Ishmael dearly and desired that he be his heir and receive the birthright blessings.

Gen 17:18 O that Ishmael might live before thee!..

But the birthright was denied to Ishmael.
Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall [a child] be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.
 
After the birth of Isaac, Hagar and Ishmael were sent away at Sarah’s insistence,

Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.

Sarah was adamant that Ishmael should not inherit along with Isaac. God instructed Abraham to do as Sarah desired, but he reassured Abraham that,

Gen 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he [is] thy seed.

But God also knew what kind of people Ishmael’s descendants would be when He spoke prophetically to Hagar saying,

Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren
[literally, “he shall defy all his kinsmen”]."


Genesis 25:18 His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers.

And to this day Arab hands have “lived in hostility toward all their brothers…”

Ishmael was not a spirit of implacable hatred and murder against Isaac, but rather one of envy and rivalry. Ishmael’s position in the family had been radically altered by Isaac’s birth. This had wounded his proud spirit, and provoked him into a jealousy. And time has not softened this spirit of envy either. Attitudes and historical perspectives are often transmitted from father to son and from generation to generation. The effects of the domestic rivalry in the household of Abraham are still being felt to this day in the on-going Arab-Israeli conflict.

In time, Ishmael became the father of 12 sons (his descendants are called Ishmaelites) whose names are recorded in Genesis 25:13-16. Ishmael also had a daughter named Mahalath (Bashemath), who would later marry his half-brother Isaac’s eldest son, Esau4 (Esau’s descendants were known as Edomites).

Ishmalites were marauding nomads who traded with Egypt (Jacob’s son Joseph would later be sold by his brothers to a passing band of Ishmaelites - Genesis 37:25-28). They led an untamed existence in the deserts south and east of Canaan and were known for their wandering, lawlessness, and freebooting lifestyle. Ishmael died at the age of 137 (Genesis 25:17) and just as God had promised, his 12 sons grew into “a great nation” with he as clearly the preeminent forefather of the Arab world (The Arab peoples today number over 140 million and are destined to play a significant role in the development of prophetic events).

The relationship between the Ishmaelite Arabs and the Biblical Israelites is thus clear: Ishmael was the elder half-brother of Isaac, son of Abraham, by way of Hagar, who settled in central and northern Arabia. Isaac in turn, had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. From Jacob - later renamed Israel - descended the Jews and the other tribes of Israel.

The Israelis and the Arabs are cousins!
 
This is a postscript to an earlier post:

On more than one occasion when people were in dire need of water, the blessing of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) saved them. In the sixth year after the he migrated from Mecca to Medina, Muhammad went to Mecca for pilgrimage. In the long journey through the desert, people ran out of all water, only the Prophet was left with a vessel with which he performed ablution for prayers. He put his hand in vessel, water began flowing from between his fingers. Jabir bin Abdullah, who witnessed the miracle, says of the fifteen hundred men, ‘We drank it and made ablution.’ This miracle has been transmitted with an unbroken chain of reliable scholars (hadith mutawatir).

The sprouting of water from human fingers is similar to Prophet Moses’ (pbuh) miracle of producing water from a rock.

And from Wikipedia:

Mutawatir (Arabic: متواتر) is an Arabic word meaning “consecutive.” It is often used as an Islamic term within the science of hadith. A hadith is said to be mutawatir if it was reported by a significant number of narrators at each chain in the narration, and therefore through multiple chains of narration leading back to Muhammad. This provides confirmation that the hadith is sahih to a level beyond reasonable doubt, as it is beyond historical possibility that narrators could have conspired to forge a narration. Hadiths can be mutawatir in both actual text and meaning.

In contrast, an ahaad hadith is a narration which at some point in the chain has only a single narrator.

The point here is that for those who are continually harping on the age of A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) when she married the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), remember that what you are proclaiming as an undeniable fact is actually a hadith which has been recorded based on her recollection alone.

On the other hand, in the case of the miracle described above, it is recorded as a hadith mutawatir i.e. an authentic hadith which is exceptionally strong to “a level beyond reasonable doubt”.

And so, if indeed you do believe the veracity of the hadith regarding A’ishah’s age at the time of her marriage, then there really is no reason at all why you should have any doubts whatsoever about the veracity of this hadith mutawatir describing the miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) sprouting water from his fingers.

In short, if Christians are indeed insisting to see a miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “proof” that he is a true Prophet, then you have just been given one.
 
Catholics here do not really care whether Mohammad performed miracles or not. Based on the words of the Quran, he did not, except for the only so-called miracle – the Quran. Most Catholics would just take it from there. No Catholic is saying that the proof of Mohammad’s prophethood is based solely on the miracles he performed. Saying it does merely to distort the Catholic argument on the authenticity of a prophet.

Miracles would be good as it is consistent with ancient prophets who had miracles done to their names. However this is not the sole criteria. Other factors which are equally important would be whether the prophet teachings are consistent with the messages of the prophets before him. Do they contradict the earlier teachings? Was his coming being foretold by any earlier prophecies?

Was there any material witness to corroborate his revelations if there were no miracles? How good is his personal life and has he repented if he committed sins? Many of these are merely common sense.

However none of these fitted into Mohammad’s life and teachings. He introduced stories or theories that contradict earlier contents of the Bible. He allowed what were prohibited by Jesus whom he recognized as a prophet. He introduced abominations as legal so that he could practice them.

To dismiss that the Bible has been corrupted is simply not sincere on anyone’s part who say this is so. Beside no proof being provided on the corruption of the Bible, there are also no mention when and what are actually being corrupted.

Hence it make no sense to consider Mohammad a prophet of God, because in order to follow his teachings one has to completely deviate from the traditions of the old prophets whom he claimed as valid prophets of God.

Then there are the various factual errors in the Quran. One of the many examples is quoting Mary, the Blessed Mother as the daughter of Aaron. Mistake like this just shows how shallow, ignorant and fake the Quran is.
 
... And so, if indeed you do believe the veracity of the hadith regarding A'ishah's age at the time of her marriage, then there really is no reason at all why you should have any doubts whatsoever about the veracity of this hadith mutawatir describing the miracle ...
In short, if Christians are indeed insisting to see a miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “proof” that he is a true Prophet, then you have just been given one.
Hamba, there is no doubt there is some historical truth in the Quran that stands completely seperate from the spiritual disingenuousness since most of the human parts and histories are independently verifiable from other historical accounts (or plausible from knowledge of those times). Just because this one thing about Aisha’s age is "probably’ accurate does not mean that any of the rest is accurate. The devil always uses half-truths to give impressions that he has the whole truth.

Everything written in the traditions and in the Quran clearly indicate that compared to Christianity & Judaism Mohammad taught a very primitive moral code and personally embraced social standards far below all prior prophets of God. Contrast that to Judaism and Christianity who had the truth 600 years sooner and this kind of behavior would have been judged as repugnant and grounds for dismissing men from their religious communities or worse. There was NOTHING evident in Mohammad’s life to make him stand out as a holy man of God since he embraced all the same crude and debased customs of his time. He was a “common man” in every way & had severe character flaws. Jewish prophets were mostly pious, holy and reverent in their manner. Mohammad murdered in God’s name and gave captured young girls and boys to his men for sexual gratification as rewards as well as to himself.

In any event when talking about Islam we have no choice but to consider Aisha’s part as semi-accurate. Why? Because Aisha is considered to be one of the foremost scholars of Islam’s early age!. She would have corrected any errors that reflected negatively about herself (or embellish to improve) if we are to believe anything at all about Islam. Some historians accredit Aisha with up to one-quarter of the Islamic Sharia, based on the collection of hadiths, to have stemmed from her narrations. How ironic that 25% of sharia law and tradition was taught by a **woman **who was a victim of pedophilia!

But what is more likely is that after Muhammad’s death his men let her retain some limited power and her wealth in exchange for collaborating and cooperating with them on things they wanted her to say. This was more likely a scheme to keep the originals in power and for them all to retain high status. Mohammad’s closest companions clearly wanted to stay in power and keep their high status without a revolt from the lower men and followers. But that failed anyway due to conflicts and jealousies between his men (eg. Shia and Sunni forefathers conflicts). Islam has been murdering its own ever since Mohammad died in petty jealousies.

Also recall the fact Aisha was accused of committing adultery when Mohammad was alive. *The very same man (poet Hassan ibn Thabit) who was responsible for starting the original writing of the Quaran was one of her accusers! *But Mohammad had yet another “just in time” revelation that she was innocent. He could have lost his entire organization if it was proved true so he arbitrarily required 4 witnesses for conviction. Having not enough to condemn her he had Thabit and others whipped with 40 lashes (near to death) for that accusation. Can anyone doubt that Thabit ever forgot that punishment and did not carry a grudge against Mohammad all his life? He clearly had a motive to lie to “get even” with Mohammad after he died. It would be naive to think Thabit did not “adulter” the Quranic teachings since he wrote it!

Thus all recorded words of Mohammad are dubious and suspect. There was so much intrigue and petty motives for dishonesty and revenge and jealousy among all of Mohammad’s closest men and his closest women. It’s beyond reason to believe any of its core religious teaching is an accurate or authentic recording and statistically improbably that any of it is real religious truth.

Islam’s beginnings have so much drama that it sounds more like a fictional western soap-opera TV show or a comedy act than it does a legitimate religion. It’s time for Islamics to grow up as adults and realize they have been duped by a liar and the lies of men seeking their own prestige and power. Join the rest of the planet and start helping your fellow man progress and advance.

The only miracle of the Quran is that anyone with a sane, rational and intelligent mind could ever believe it without being forced to do so by threat of death; or that a person does not die laughing that anyone can still take it seriously.

James
 
If Muhammad was illiterate as Muslims claim, how could he authenticate what he couldn’t read??
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an

Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them). The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired

The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
 
Catholics here do not really care whether Mohammad performed miracles or not.
Why not??.. Don’t Catholics believe that all miracles come only from God?
Based on the words of the Quran, he did not, except for the only so-called miracle – the Quran.
Where is it stated in the Qur’an that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not perform miracles?
Hence it make no sense to consider Mohammad a prophet of God, because in order to follow his teachings one has to completely deviate from the traditions of the old prophets whom he claimed as valid prophets of God.
If being Christian means to faithfully follow the teachings and the ways of Jesus (pbuh), then Muslims are the best ‘Christians’ in the world.
Then there are the various factual errors in the Quran.
There are absolutely no mistakes to be found in the Qur’an, NONE whatsoever … unless if Christians are comparing it against what they consider to be the “gospel truth” of the Bible.

Going by such circular logic, we can argue till the cows come home and we will not be any nearer to resolving our differences.
 
hamba2han
Senior Member
Re: The call to ‘jihad’ by Prophet Jesus (pbuh)r

In needed Historical retrospect:

The Jews did their violence when they took the Promised Land as recorded in the Old Testament.

On Earth, JESUS said in Matthew 10:16,
““Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves.
Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.”

In reference to the Roman Catholic Church:
*The Inquisition of “Heretics” was instituted by the Council of Verona1184 A.D., and was legalized and promoted by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215.

*Inquisition: The act of inquiring into a matter; an investigation. American Heritage Dictionary.

Lucius III decreed that bishops should take action against heretics. A characteristic of this decree was that a suspect, once convicted of being a heretic, was to be handed over to the secular arm for punishment. Before the Inquisition ran its course, historians estimate that 5 to 15 million people lost their lives through torture and execution. (From: A History of Christianity In The World, by Clyde L. Manschreck).

And, last, but not least:
(From: christianactionforisrael.org/un/evil_watch.html )

“The Arab jihad against the Jews and Israel did not begin with Israel’s successful defense in 1967, not even with the war the Arabs waged against the new born state of Israel in 1948, or the rejections of the two state partition plan accepted by Israel in 1947 but rejected by the Arabs. It began before the rejection by our Arab cousins of the Balfour declaration of a Jewish homeland in Palestine - a plan that was endorsed by the nations of the world. In fact, it began in 622 C. E., when Mohammed traveled to Medina and tried to force the conversion of the Jews to Islam. As a result of the refusal of the Jewish community to convert, ethnic cleansing was employed and two of the Jewish tribes were expelled. Later, in 627 C.E., followers of Mohammed slaughtered between 600 and 900 men and captured the women and children, dividing them between themselves. Following that came centuries of discrimination, pogroms and the enforced status of dhimmis, apartheid in the form of lower caste status given to Jews and Christians in Arab controlled lands - a status some equate with that of untouchables in India.”​

wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

This is what the Islamic extremists want to follow, written in their book THE KORAN.

“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other.
Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people.” - 5:54

“Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme…” - 8:39

“Fight unbelievers who are near to you.” -9:123
(different translation):
“Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you.
Let them find harshness in you.”
(another source: )
“Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers…”

“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens.” -47:4
(different translation: )
“When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.”

Now, the good news is that most of the Muslims will not follow the above. -Thank God!

chick.com/information/religions/islam/

Allah had no son
chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

But God did
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Jesus’ Own Claim to be the Son of God Brings Muslim to Christ
By David Daniels

You love Muslim people, and you want to witness to them.
But when you talk to them about Jesus, they say,
“Jesus was not God’s Son! He was just another one of the prophets.”
In fact, they are likely to challenge you with the question:
“Where did Jesus ever claim to be God’s Son?”

The question is vital, because they are taught that Jesus was a prophet of God, and that prophets do not lie. Where did Jesus Himself make the claim to be God’s Son?

The answer is right there, in God’s preserved words…

In John 10:36, Jesus said,
“Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,
Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

Obviously, Jesus was being accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God’s Son.
Where did He say it?
In the previous chapter, John 9:35-38, where Jesus had just healed the man born blind, and the Pharisees cast the healed man out of the synagogue.

“Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him,
Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him.”

Ask your Muslim friend, “Only God can receive worship, right?”
When he says yes, reply
“Then Jesus clearly claimed to be God.
Only as God could Jesus, who cannot lie, receive worship.”

These simple, straightforward Scriptures convinced a very good Muslim friend of mine.
He is now a Christian, and going to heaven.
May God give you success as you witness to your Muslim friends.

From: chick.com/bc/2000/jesusclaim.asp?wpc=jesusclaim.asp&wpp=a

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