The Catechism and Muslims

[onel0126]

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
vatican.va/archive/catech…23a9p3.htm#III

Since the Al’lah of Islam is not Yahweh and since Islam denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not believe that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, and does not believe Jesus is the Saviour of mankind, how is it that the RCC teaches that Muslims partake of the Biblical Salvation that only comes through Christ? (John 14:6)

 

[Redratfish]

841
Since the Al’lah of Islam is not Yahweh and since Islam denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not believe that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, and does not believe Jesus is the Saviour of mankind, how is it that the RCC teaches that Muslims partake of the Biblical Salvation that only comes through Christ? (John 14:6)

Where do you get Al’lah is not Yahweh? Are they not both the God of Abraham?

 

[Reuben_J]

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
vatican.va/archive/catech…23a9p3.htm#III

Since the Al’lah of Islam is not Yahweh and since Islam denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not believe that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, and does not believe Jesus is the Saviour of mankind, how is it that the RCC teaches that Muslims partake of the Biblical Salvation that only comes through Christ? (John 14:6)

This topic has to be seen from much wider viewpoint than that. What that question is really saying - ‘Christians and Muslims understanding of God is not the same’; not that the One God is different. No matter who is worshipping that one God, that God is still the same God.

Muslims may have different position regarding Jesus or the Holy Spirit but this does not change the actual characteristic of God. Only wrong understanding of whom and what He is.

This part of the CCC of course can be very challenging for Christians to accept especially in regards to the Second Person of the Trinity where the understanding of the two religions absolutely contradicts each other. CCC 841 does not cover this difference; it merely acknowledges the oneness of God.

There is only one God who is the Creator. In this sense Muslims are in agreement with us. It is this acknowledging of one God the Creator no matter how different is the understanding of that God that perhaps brought about that point in the CCC.

 

[MOCatholic]

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day."330
vatican.va/archive/catech…23a9p3.htm#III

Since the Al’lah of Islam is not Yahweh and since Islam denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, does not believe that Jesus was the Divine Son of God, and does not believe Jesus is the Saviour of mankind, how is it that the RCC teaches that Muslims partake of the Biblical Salvation that only comes through Christ? (John 14:6)

I don’t remember who it was or what thread it was in, but someone posted the link below in another thread a little bit ago. I thought it did a good job of covering this topic:

catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0207bt.asp

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

Where do you get Al’lah is not Yahweh? Are they not both the God of Abraham?

Well to start Abraham lived years before Moses and muhammed, so it’s for certain if you were able to asked him he might not have a clue what you are talking about. j/k

In a way it is a trap, yes there are certain similarities between islam and Judaism and Christianity, but if you only focus on the common things you run the chance of ignoring what islam denies in those faiths. Once the similarities are establish then that is when islam gets their last word of repudiation. That is the most difficult thing talking about islam, what comes from it starts out with a truth and ends in a lie. Yes in a way we can agree we believe in the God that made a covenant with Abraham but after that islam will deny everything from the binding of Isaac to the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

but if you only focus on the common things you run the chance of ignoring what islam denies

this is exactly my problem with vatican ii. it only told half the story so to speak. it speaks of only positive things about the secular world, multiculturalism and non catholic religions to the point of sounding indifferent. vatican ii documents must not be interpreted in a vacuum but in the light of tradition.

 

[Reuben_J]

In a way it is a trap, yes there are certain similarities between islam and Judaism and Christianity, but if you only focus on the common things you run the chance of ignoring what islam denies in those faiths. Once the similarities are establish then that is when islam gets their last word of repudiation. That is the most difficult thing talking about islam, what comes from it starts out with a truth and ends in a lie. Yes in a way we can agree we believe in the God that made a covenant with Abraham but after that islam will deny everything from the binding of Isaac to the crucifixion of Jesus.

From our perspective, I agree with everything said here. However this is not the scope of CCC 841. Suffice to say all Christian albeit Catholic belief is contained in there (CCC) so it is pretty easy to see the differences between Islamic and Christian belief. We have to be clear of our own belief so that we don’t have to be confused with what Muslims say. I doubt in an objective discussion that they would want to confuse and deceive us into believing in Islam though it may be different game altogether in missionary work and proselytizing activities. I mean the differences between the two religions are obvious and it should be seen as that. I don’t think this thread should cover about who is right or who is wrong though.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Muslims follow in a false prophet who claimed to have been speaking with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but was not, and from this supposed God was given a book which not only contradicts but condemns Christian belief. It is ironic that the Catechism claims that both Muslims and Christians believe that their God is “mankind’s judge on the last day” when the Muslims believe their God will condemn Christians and send them to hell for believing in the Trinity.

I am also personally amused that many are saying, “Well, so what if Muslims don’t believe Christ is divine, we can overlook that…” What does scripture say?

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” [John 14:6; NASB]

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” [John 11:25-26]

“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” [Acts 4:12]

You cannot get around these any more you can get around the problem passages of the Quran.

They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. [S. 5:74; Yusuf Ali]

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. [S. 5:73]

Either God is the author of confusion, or one of these two religions is false. If the religion is false, it cannot be from the God of Abraham, who through Abraham’s seed blessed all those who would believe in Christ. This isn’t a matter of “who is right and wrong” like we’re talking about sports teams…we’re talking about the Eternal Truth. In that regard, I am sorry to say, the Catechism is simply dead wrong.

 

[dzheremi]

Oh boy…my favorite topic…

Byzantine Wolf is right: The Catechism is wrong. Call it misplaced ecumenical sentimentality, “charity”, or whatever you’d like…it’s wrong, wrong, wrong. I’ve never understood why that passage (or rather, defenses of that passage) seem to flagrantly discount the traditional Muslim view (not the neo-Muslim view, which is as infected by misty-eyed revisionism as the CCC apparently is) that THEY do not worship the same God as we do. They openly mock us for proclaiming as we do that Jesus Christ is the risen Lord. They quote the Qur’an at us that “what (we) worship is not what (they) worship” (surat 109: “Al-Kafirun” - “The Disbelievers”). And yet we are supposed to turn around and tell them that they’re wrong about what their own religion and its leaders tell them because…why, exactly? Because they have the number of gods right? Heck, that was only after some careful editing anyway! (see: Satanic verses, Allat and Uzzat, etc)

Here is a video that will show you in no uncertain terms what Islam thinks of Our Lord. It is all a sick perversion to them, and by ignoring that in favor of a mealy-mouthed pleasantry that means NOTHING of substance, the Catholic Church is aiding in making it appear so to Christians who are serious about their faith, too. What grievous fault!

 

[Iotaunum]

**I don’t understand the difficulty or confusion here at all; the matter is simple. Catholics DO NOT and never have worshiped the god of the Muslims, nor have the Muslims worshiped God. The idea that both worship the same God/god is pure heresy.

There is no doubting however that this is taught in one of the Vatican II documents, Lumen Gentium.

I will quote directly from the Vatican Website:

Lumen Gentium (16) - “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”

No matter how how an apologist may attempt to twist the meaning to make it appear orthodox, it cannot be done. The meaning of the Text is clear as Crystal. If I put it in question form: "Do the muslims adore/worship the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind"? - An answer in the affirmative is heretical, and demonstrably so.

To refute common objections:

Some claim that Muslims do worship the same God as us (Catholics), as "Allah" and “God” are one and the Same. This is obviously false, and should not need further explanation. In defense of this position, it is often said that “Allah means “God” and is used in some eastern Catholic Rites”. This argument is defective as it is not the label but God Himself who we are considering. Some Pagans use the term “god” for one of their false deities, but this is not the SAME God as the one True God.

Also put foward in favour of this position is the argument that "Muslims worship the God of Abraham". This argument also fails. For a start, merely claiming to woship the God of Abraham proves nothing, except that they claim that their god was also Abrahams’s God, which is False. The Scriptures prove that Abraham did not worship the “allah” of the Koran. This is a undeniable fact.
Secondly, their argument is also weakened by the fact that Lumen gentium itself merely states that Muslims are “professing to hold the faith of Abraham”, not that they are.

Another common argument is that Muslims worship the same God as us, but they understand Him differently, or are looking through a less clear lense, or do not see the full picture etc. This is nothing more than nonsense, to put it mildly. This is not the case at all. The god (allah) of the Quran is not simply a less clear description of the One True God - it is a completely different god being described. God does not contradict Himself. He is all Truth and can never decieve nor be decieved. Thus, when “allah” says something in complete contradiction to God (not least that Jesus is merely a prophet) we Know for a fact that they are not describing, praying to nor worshiping God - but a false god who denies the very Truth which God Himself revealed.

A similar example would be a pagan who worships a god. To claim that because he worships a god, and yet his god teaches the very opposite to God, that he does in fact worship God, but doesnt know everything about Him would be absurd.

Another less common but likewise idiotic argument is that the document is merely acknowledging that we are both monotheistic. The flaw in this argument is obvious, since the document unambiguously states that they “along with us adore the one and merciful God”. Not that they worship a god. Many pagans worshiped A god, and not many. This does not mean they worship the same God as us.

Now to the part which really is unbelievable. How they got away with this one completly escapes me:

"(the Muslims) along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."

Do I really need to explain the error here. Everyone knows that it is De Fide - a dogma - that Christ will Judge Mankind on the last day ( to quote the Scripture and dogmatic definitions, creeds etc is not necessary and would take more space). Muslims reject Christ as God (sure they say Jesus was merely a prophet). Therefore, how in the name of all that is logical and reasonable do they worship Him who will Judge mankind on the last day: Jesus Christ?

This is an error/heresy plain and simple. I have debated for years with those who claim that it can be interpreted in an orthodox manner. No one ever, and I have read most of the defenses by leading apologists and Priests, has ever been able to interpret this in an orthodox way. **It is impossible. ** To claim that it can is to deny clear reason, loigic and Catholic Dogmas.

Its time for those who claim to be Catholic to stand up an reject this clear error as contrary to the faith.

St. Peter Mavimenus said to the muslims: ***“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned, as was your false prophet Mohammed.” ***

And remember that: “The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her" - Pope Gregory XVI

(Sorry for being long winded, but I cannot understand why there is a debate at all here)

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

From our perspective, I agree with everything said here. However this is not the scope of CCC 841. Suffice to say all Christian albeit Catholic belief is contained in there (CCC) so it is pretty easy to see the differences between Islamic and Christian belief. We have to be clear of our own belief so that we don’t have to be confused with what Muslims say. I doubt in an objective discussion that they would want to confuse and deceive us into believing in Islam though it may be different game altogether in missionary work and proselytizing activities. I mean the differences between the two religions are obvious and it should be seen as that. I don’t think this thread should cover about who is right or who is wrong though.

Well, when you read CCC841 you have a very narrow “scope” that only breifly says something about muslims, it does not mention muhammed, the koran, allah, or islam - the CCC does not address these as topics. It seems that that passage was chosen because it is politically correct by using common language between the two religion, brushing aside any terminology or theological truths that would upset a muslim, I’m not saying the writer was PC in carefully choosing his words not to offend, but the reason that passage was used in the CCC is that it’s safe, and free from a lot more serious issues that are found in islam. It seems to be picked because the key words in it are use by both religion, even though they are similar they do differ, and the words that are used are “faux amis” (so to speak) and as a consequence the statement lacks in substance - imo.

Back to the topic and also on the subject of the oneness God. The oneness of allah in islam is an anti-Trinitarian argument aimed at Jesus Christ. While the oneness of God in Christianity is that the philosophical omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and benevolent God is the same as the God Who created the Heavens and the Earth, the Covenant God mentioned in the OT, and is the same as God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit mentioned in the NT.

 

[Reuben_J]

Well, when you read CCC841 you have a very narrow “scope” that only breifly says something about muslims, it does not mention muhammed, the koran, allah, or islam - the CCC does not address these as topics. It seems that that passage was chosen because it is politically correct by using common language between the two religion, brushing aside any terminology or theological truths that would upset a muslim, I’m not saying the writer was PC in carefully choosing his words not to offend, but the reason that passage was used in the CCC is that it’s safe, and free from a lot more serious issues that are found in islam. It seems to be picked because the key words in it are use by both religion, even though they are similar they do differ, and the words that are used are “faux amis” (so to speak) and as a consequence the statement lacks in substance - imo.

Back to the topic and also on the subject of the oneness God. The oneness of allah in islam is an anti-Trinitarian argument aimed at Jesus Christ. While the oneness of God in Christianity is that the philosophical omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and benevolent God is the same as the God Who created the Heavens and the Earth, the Covenant God mentioned in the OT, and is the same as God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit mentioned in the NT.

I really don’t know what to say, frankly. Being a faithful Catholic, I can only understand the CCC the way it is to be understood. What you say seem to make sense on the surface. However the CCC writers sure have a deeper reason for writing them they way they are written.

Islamic Allah and the Christian Trinity are unrecognizable as the same Being. So you can figure out my thought on this.

What we can agree with them is that the Creator is one and the same. There is no other creators other than God. The CCC simply confirms that Muslims believe in that God. Probably in a reviewed edition if there will be one, clarification would most probably be inserted in to clarify the said point.

I think this is as much as the CCC covers. Other than that it is a different topic for a different thread.

God bless.

 

[KathleenGee]

Don’t mix up the catechism with Vatican II documents which was our attitude towards others who do not believe like we do…we need to acknowledge that which they see as divine and respect them for that.

I can see how Islam is so much a product of its desert environment…Very arid religion. I look forward to enjoying Muslim hospitality some day…that is a good thing and in that we can see an essence of God in it.

The Catechism is the defining of our theology in the One True God without compromise, as well as morality and prayer.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

What we can agree with them is that the Creator is one and the same. There is no other creators other than God. The CCC simply confirms that Muslims believe in that God.

I would probably use a little “g” for that, otherwise we do add further confusion (and contradict the statement that Islam’s definition of Allah and the Christian Trinitarian God are not the same God). I would also move that, under this vague definition, a large number of religions outside of Islam agree with Christians, and therefore why even add it into the Catechism at all?

I also also argue that the wording of the Catechism in regards to that Muslims “profess to hold the faith of Abraham” suggests that it does believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God. It does not say the literal descendants of Abraham (in other words, the Ishmaelites), but rather the faith of Abraham, that is, the faith Abraham had in the God of the Old and New Testaments. Therein lies a problem, because obviously it has been established that Muslims do not worship the same God Abraham did.

 

[Reuben_J]

I would probably use a little “g” for that,

Probably. But I don’t to speculate further apart from what’s in the CCC.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Neither do I, hence my question regarding the statement that Muslims “profess to hold the faith of Abraham.” If we’re saying they merely profess it then that’s certainly true, although professing something and truly being it are two separate things. Likewise, this statement is followed by “together with us they adore the one, merciful God”; the most logical conclusion from this would be that the “one, merciful God” spoken of here is the same context as that of “the faith of Abraham.” This would be an erroneous connection for the Catechism to make, again for all the reasons already outlined.

 

[fleadhcheoil]

**I don’t understand the difficulty or confusion here at all; the matter is simple. Catholics DO NOT and never have worshiped the god of the Muslims, nor have the Muslims worshiped God. The idea that both worship the same God/god is pure heresy.

There is no doubting however that this is taught in one of the Vatican II documents, Lumen Gentium.

I will quote directly from the Vatican Website:

Lumen Gentium (16) - "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."

No matter how how an apologist may attempt to twist the meaning to make it appear orthodox, it cannot be done. The meaning of the Text is clear as Crystal. If I put it in question form: "Do the muslims adore/worship the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind"? - An answer in the affirmative is heretical, and demonstrably so.

To refute common objections:

Some claim that Muslims do worship the same God as us (Catholics), as "Allah" and “God” are one and the Same. This is obviously false, and should not need further explanation. In defense of this position, it is often said that “Allah means “God” and is used in some eastern Catholic Rites”. This argument is defective as it is not the label but God Himself who we are considering. Some Pagans use the term “god” for one of their false deities, but this is not the SAME God as the one True God.

Also put foward in favour of this position is the argument that "Muslims worship the God of Abraham". This argument also fails. For a start, merely claiming to woship the God of Abraham proves nothing, except that they claim that their god was also Abrahams’s God, which is False. The Scriptures prove that Abraham did not worship the “allah” of the Koran. This is a undeniable fact.
Secondly, their argument is also weakened by the fact that Lumen gentium itself merely states that Muslims are “professing to hold the faith of Abraham”, not that they are.

Another common argument is that Muslims worship the same God as us, but they understand Him differently, or are looking through a less clear lense, or do not see the full picture etc. This is nothing more than nonsense, to put it mildly. This is not the case at all. The god (allah) of the Quran is not simply a less clear description of the One True God - it is a completely different god being described. God does not contradict Himself. He is all Truth and can never decieve nor be decieved. Thus, when “allah” says something in complete contradiction to God (not least that Jesus is merely a prophet) we Know for a fact that they are not describing, praying to nor worshiping God - but a false god who denies the very Truth which God Himself revealed.

A similar example would be a pagan who worships a god. To claim that because he worships a god, and yet his god teaches the very opposite to God, that he does in fact worship God, but doesnt know everything about Him would be absurd.

Another less common but likewise idiotic argument is that the document is merely acknowledging that we are both monotheistic. The flaw in this argument is obvious, since the document unambiguously states that they “along with us adore the one and merciful God”. Not that they worship a god. Many pagans worshiped A god, and not many. This does not mean they worship the same God as us.

Now to the part which really is unbelievable. How they got away with this one completly escapes me:

"(the Muslims) along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."

Do I really need to explain the error here. Everyone knows that it is De Fide - a dogma - that Christ will Judge Mankind on the last day ( to quote the Scripture and dogmatic definitions, creeds etc is not necessary and would take more space). Muslims reject Christ as God (sure they say Jesus was merely a prophet). Therefore, how in the name of all that is logical and reasonable do they worship Him who will Judge mankind on the last day: Jesus Christ?

This is an error/heresy plain and simple. I have debated for years with those who claim that it can be interpreted in an orthodox manner. No one ever, and I have read most of the defenses by leading apologists and Priests, has ever been able to interpret this in an orthodox way. **It is impossible. ** To claim that it can is to deny clear reason, loigic and Catholic Dogmas.

Its time for those who claim to be Catholic to stand up an reject this clear error as contrary to the faith.

St. Peter Mavimenus said to the muslims: ***“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned, as was your false prophet Mohammed.” ***

And remember that: “The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her" - Pope Gregory XVI

(Sorry for being long winded, but I cannot understand why there is a debate at all here)

You don’t have to promote hatred of Muslims to be a good Catholic, I know many Muslims and they live in peace, they love God . and they help anyone who needs help,
Catholics who nit pick, to spread hatred keep Satan happy, why all the nasty words, life is about loving God and your neighbour , its not about what colour shoes Christ liked, I understand the Gospel has not escaped censorship. how many stories told by Christ are missing, we should show Muslims the same respect we show the Jews,

 

[dzheremi]

You don’t have to promote hatred of Muslims to be a good Catholic, I know many Muslims and they live in peace, they love God . and they help anyone who needs help,

How is any of this promoting hatred of Muslims? How does saying that they do not worship the same God that we do promote hatred? You are aware that this is something THEY say, too, right?

Catholics who nit pick, to spread hatred keep Satan happy,

It is “nitpicking” to recognize that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God? True God of True God? Of one substance with the Father? That He was crucified, died, and was buried, and that He rose again on the third day, in confirmation of the scriptures? These are all things that Islam denies. Again: Nitpicking, or the bedrock of our faith?

its not about what colour shoes Christ liked

What? What are you talking about?

I understand the Gospel has not escaped censorship. how many stories told by Christ are missing,

Again, what are you talking about? What does any of this have to do with the subject of this thread, which is the Catechism’s statement on the Church’s relationship with Muslims?

we should show Muslims the same respect we show the Jews,

Yes, we should. And when they oppose the TRUTH OF GOD, who is incarnate in the one and only savior Jesus Christ, we should oppose their falsehoods with the same clear-minded dedication to our faith that our forefathers displayed when opposing the Jews and the Judaizing heretics of past eras.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I don’t recall anyone saying anything in this thread similar to “Muslims are evil” or “Muslims are lesser beings and deserve to die.” All we’ve said is that Islam is a false religion. Guess what? It is. We’ve already explained why quoting scripture from both Islam and Christianity. Islam’s own holy book even says Christians are following damnable heresy. We can’t beat around the bush here.

While I support treating individual Muslims with dignity, I also refuse to compromise on Divine Truth for the sake of political correctness. As Fulton Sheen once said, “Intolerance is for error, tolerance for the erring.”

 

[meedo]

Hello Good people,

Thats very interesting discussion for me really.

Whatever the name of God or god ( There are no caps in semetic languages ) , muslims do worship the God that Abraham worshipped.

Yes yes… The one that crated adam from Clay , Noah , Abraham , Ishmael , Isaac, moses etc…

Now yes we think he did different things… his nature is different from Christian understanding of God… but when i raise my hands and head to pray. It is the God of Abraham that i am refering too.

Us bieng followers of Muhammed doesnt have any thing to do with whom we worship. There are people who probably had no body to follow and still came to worship God. Abraham came to believe in the right God before God communicated with him to begin with. So even in your view that Islam is a false religion … that doesnt mean we are worshipping the false God.

Muslims and Christians differ on 3 things

1- Muhammed … was he a prophet or not

2- The Bible… and its historical accounts

3- The nature of God… is he triune or not … is Jesus God or not .

Jews agree with Christian on the first point.

They agree on half of the second point ( Believe in only the Old testament)

Disagree on the third.

It seems to me that Jews would also be considering worshipping a false God according to Christians if they dont worship the proper triune God . Because according to Judaism … YHVH was not Jesus… nor he ever is .

Im not insulting anybody here … but it seems to me a bit hypocritical that while jews dont believe in the Christian nature of God … Muslims are considred worshipping a false God while jews aren’t .

I mean … right now… i am looking outside my window… up there in the heavens there is one God he created us all. Sent all the prophets . Sent the torah and the Gospel and the Quran . I dont care what his name is … he can be nameless for all i know. Or it seems he had many names in different parts of the world .

Am i worshipping a different God than you are worshipping? A simle yes or a simple no .

I appreciate your reply .

Thanks