The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

[beautiful304]

Correct. Working as a group, the “clergy” of the Catholic Church collectively affirmed those books which are contained in the canon we have today.

Correct. A few priests, acting on their own, molested altar boys.

Correct. The Church, acting through its bishops as a whole, gave us the Bible.

Correct. Individual men acted on their own impulses.

Suppose that a few police officers who are racists go out of their way to target minorities for traffic violations. Worse, during one traffic stop, they actually get into an altercation with someone, shoot and kill that person. Now, their racism is not an official policy of the police department. The racial profiling that the officers did is not condoned by the police department. The death of the driver is not ordered or approved by the police department.

The legitimate authority of the police department “gave us” safe streets.

The death of the driver, however, is “just the actions of men.”

Right on! :clapping:

 

[PJM]

-Then the devil gave is the priest sex abuse scandals THROUGH the Church.

***No, “The Church” was a totaly innocent by stander in this aberation of human weakness.

Was Satan involved, yes! Was the Church involved, No!

Satan has no power over any Church, only the emotions of the peole who make up that particular community.

There ya go, now your a bit smarter:thumbsup:***

Love and prayers,

 

[jen_fla]

***Friend, your logic is seriously flawed.

First of all, “The Church” is a institution made of of moral souls. So lets blame Catholic men for the Inquistion and the sex scandal [which for the record mirrored the percentage of abusers in other religions and society at large] but nevertheless is a higly signifiant failing of those called by God for His service.***

The difference is that the Bible is Divinly inspired, and came through the Church, not as the author per sae, but as the body that collected [OT] and wrote [NT] and was the sole possesser of the Bible until about the year 1,650. So yes, the claim that the Church “gave us” the Bible is an accurate and factual understanding. Thanks for asking.

Love and prayers friend [and a bit more charity would be nice too]

i second what prmerger said.

i do hope the minister will examine the excellent points you made.

welcome back, anna! :grouphug:

 

[jen_fla]

I really do not see how anyone could connect the failings of a few Priests with the issue of establishing the Biblical Canon. Every religion has members who have fallen into sin.

On Aug 16, 2009, I said my goodbyes to the Catholic Forums on the Catechism vs. Scripture Thread–seemed to be too much of Catholic Doctrine that I could not accept; and I was also weary from dealing with many health issues— that certainly played a role in my saying goodbye.

When I began to feel better, I spent some time on a Christian Forum–Baptist Thread (another website.) I grew up in the Baptist Church and thought I would give them one more try.

I spoke of Catholics as my brothers and sisters in Christ; and the fact that the Biblical Canon came from the Catholic Church.

I was promptly told that Catholics are not brothers and sisters in Christ. Fortunately, there were forum members who disagreed and said they did consider Catholics to be our brothers and sisters.

As for the canon, I was told, “It is clear that God used the early men to establish the cannon of Scripture but He also used an *** (word for hind end of a donkey) to speak truth to a man.”

I responded by saying, "This is a rather shocking slam to our Catholic brothers and sisters. I really can’t imagine God placing the task of assembling divinely inspired Scripture in the hands of anyone who was not a true Christian. Isn’t Scripture a divine revelation given to man? When in the History of the Bible did God entrust such an important task to “an ***?” Were the Ten Commandments given to “an ***?” My response did not change anything.

Then, I disagreed with Sola Scriptura on the “Creeds” Thread. I know this is rather ironic, since I am a Protestant.

I ended up in trouble with the Moderators, because I argued that it would be difficult to understand the Trinity, without tradition. I began to quote Scriptures that could contradict the Trinity, to make my point.

I was not allowed to continue the discussion on the forums, because my posts were viewed as “anti-Trinitarian,” and, therefore, against Forum Rules—even though I said I believe in the Trinity. I ended up having to use PM to discuss the issue with the staff minister. If this sounds difficult to believe, I am having trouble believing it myself.

In discussing Sola Scriptura, the minister suggested a book to help explain the Trinity. Yes, I know, this contradicts Sola Scriptura. I replied, “It is rather startling how quickly you moved from “Sola Scriptura” to “Commentary,” to help explain the Trinity.”

This is a copy of the last PM. I will use Minister Doe to protect the minister’s identity:

I am very happy to be back!
Anna

i second what prmerger said.

i do hope the minister will examine the excellent points you made.

welcome back, anna! :grouphug:

 

[PRmerger]

i do hope the minister will examine the excellent points you made.

:yup: And I thought this comment of Anna was an important point to refute Sola Scriptura advocates:

**Originally Posted by Anna Scott **
I should be able to read all the Scriptures that point to the Trinity and all the Scriptures that seem to contradict the Trinity, and clearly see the Trinity Doctrine in Scripture—Sola Scriptura. So far, I have not been able to do that.

Why would someone need to read a commentary to help explain the Trinity, yet also claim Sola Scriptura is correct? Seems self-refuting, no?

 

[jen_fla]

:yup: And I thought this comment of Anna was an important point to refute Sola Scriptura advocates:

Why would someone need to read a commentary to help explain the Trinity, yet also claim Sola Scriptura is correct? Seems self-refuting, no?

sure does, but imagine how difficult accepting that would be for a baptist minister. his whole world would be turned around. hopefully he will ask God for some guidance. people in that situation i think tend to only see what they would have to give up. they just can’t know how much they would gain!

peace.

 

[Zooey]

Thanks so much for the welcome. I’ve really missed everyone here.
Anna

:grouphug:

:yup: And I thought this comment of Anna was an important point to refute Sola Scriptura advocates:

Why would someone need to read a commentary to help explain the Trinity, yet also claim Sola Scriptura is correct? Seems self-refuting, no?

:yup:

 

[NotTooSmart]

Against my better judgement I am jumping back into this thread. I have no intention on debating this thing. But upon reflection I think I have clarified in my mind what has been niggling me on this whole issue.

On “the Catholic church gave us the Bible” two things have been niggling me
(1) The shared history issue. Now of course you think the relationship between Catholics and Protestants as “one true church” versus “heresy”. Obviously we don’t see it that way. But you have to understand that for those of us who do not see it that way, we view the apostolic church as shared history instead of the exclusive domain of one group of Christians.
(2) Who really gets the credit. I wish instead of hearing the buck stop at the “Catholic church” that I heard the credit really going back to God. God graciously decided to use humans in this effort. He did not have to. And it was God who gave the humans that He decided to use the discernment to get the assignment He gave them right. But this again might be reflective of my tradition where we are averse to giving humans credit for stuff that God is doing.

On “the Catholic church did not give us the inquisition and priest sex abuse cases”

I perhaps could have worded this better than I did. Now one can construct analogies where assignment of guilt to the group for the activities of the individual is inappropriate. However I also can construct analogies where this is appropriate. Particularly when looking at this from the perspective of the victim. I will not belabour this any more.

But what has been niggling me is that there is clear precedent from Scripture where God does assign guilt to the unit for the activities of the individual (see Achan). Now I am not God, so it is not my call to say whether or not this is the case here. But I certainly would not eliminate the possibility of this being the case myself. Now it seems that y’all have eliminated this possibility, but I would not. But then again, I am not God and do not claim to speak for God.

But anyway, I am sorry if everything that I have spoken here is utter nonsense and from outer space as some have implied. I sometimes am not good at explaining my thoughts clearly. But these are things that have been niggling me as dense as I might be.

Anyway, I have absolutely no intention to beat dead horses any more.

 

[Mickey]

(1) The shared history issue. Now of course you think the relationship between Catholics and Protestants as “one true church” versus “heresy”. Obviously we don’t see it that way. But you have to understand that for those of us who do not see it that way, we view the apostolic church as shared history instead of the exclusive domain of one group of Christians.

But your “tradition” protested, split away distanced itself from the Apostolic Church.

(2) I wish instead of hearing the buck stop at the “Catholic church” that I heard the credit really going back to God.

I have not heard anyone say such a thing. It is all about God—He gets** all** the credit all the time.

On “the Catholic church did not give us the inquisition and priest sex abuse cases”

It is very sad that you have been so injured by these issues. You should start threads on the subjects. Otherwise, they have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

But then again, I am not God and do not claim to speak for God.

 

[KindredSoul]

Against my better judgement I am jumping back into this thread. I have no intention on debating this thing. But upon reflection I think I have clarified in my mind what has been niggling me on this whole issue.

On “the Catholic church gave us the Bible” two things have been niggling me
(1) The shared history issue. Now of course you think the relationship between Catholics and Protestants as “one true church” versus “heresy”. Obviously we don’t see it that way. But you have to understand that for those of us who do not see it that way, we view the apostolic church as shared history instead of the exclusive domain of one group of Christians.

Yes, you seem to believe that anyone who believes in Christ and the Bible can claim an equally valid share in the apostolic Church due to sharing the same historical claim of the reality of Christ’s life and passion, even if their different groups disagree on certain doctrines or ethics that many of them may consider essential. We believe that such pluralism within the true Church, which necessarily means many contradictory half-truths and lies all have equal place in the Church as truths (they can’t all be true, after all), violates Jesus’ promise that “the gates of Hell will not prevail against it (His Church).” And if there is one true Church against whom the gates of Hell did not prevail (in this case in the form of a pluralism of opposed, contradictory truth-claims), we believe it would be a Church that was always there, not one of the many many groups whose particular beliefs did not exist as a defined unit until after 500 years ago. We see what your point of view is, we simply disagree, just as you disagree with ours.

(2) Who really gets the credit. I wish instead of hearing the buck stop at the “Catholic church” that I heard the credit really going back to God. God graciously decided to use humans in this effort. He did not have to. And it was God who gave the humans that He decided to use the discernment to get the assignment He gave them right. But this again might be reflective of my tradition where we are averse to giving humans credit for stuff that God is doing.

You see, Catholics do give God the credit…we believe that the Holy Spirit (God) gives Truth to the Church; viewed simply, the Church is the presence through which He gives it to the world, now that Christ has ascended to Heaven. Ergo, God gave us the Bible, but He gave it to us through the Church, and we merely believe He is consistent in this way: That if He gave us one truth through the Church (the Canon of the Bible), and gave us many truths through the Church up until then (before the Bible was Canonized, the Church was the only fully reliable source of Truth, since back then using scripture alone might result in using something not-inspired), there is no reason to think the Bible represented some cut-off point. We assert that, if God had intended this, then through the very same council that canonized the Bible He would have included some statement of: “Henceforth, these scriptures are the sole rule of faith.” There was no such statement, and ergo no reason to believe that the same process through which the Bible was canonized–infallible decrees from the Church–is no longer still a valid process.

So, indeed we give God the credit for giving us the Bible…we just believe He didn’t abandon the method He used to do so, and that He still uses that method to further define Truths today.

On “the Catholic church did not give us the inquisition and priest sex abuse cases”

I perhaps could have worded this better than I did. Now one can construct analogies where assignment of guilt to the group for the activities of the individual is inappropriate. However I also can construct analogies where this is appropriate. Particularly when looking at this from the perspective of the victim. I will not belabour this any more.

But what has been niggling me is that there is clear precedent from Scripture where God does assign guilt to the unit for the activities of the individual (see Achan). Now I am not God, so it is not my call to say whether or not this is the case here. But I certainly would not eliminate the possibility of this being the case myself. Now it seems that y’all have eliminated this possibility, but I would not. But then again, I am not God and do not claim to speak for God.

In Post #188 on page 13 of the thread, I dealt with the Achan comparison at some length, showing exactly why the comparison, even if totally valid–thus even if we do not eliminate the possibility–doesn’t quite show what you seem to think it does.

But anyway, I am sorry if everything that I have spoken here is utter nonsense and from outer space as some have implied. I sometimes am not good at explaining my thoughts clearly. But these are things that have been niggling me as dense as I might be.

Your mistake isn’t unique, and I do not venture to insult your intelligence; I have known very wise and intelligent people capable of the same exact error. I simply believe you are overlooking some of the aspects of your argument which make it less-than-sound. I wish only to show you what those aspects are and why they are flawed. I, for one, have no animosity for you; but I do wish to defend the Church, as I believe it to be founded by Christ and thus by God, from misconceptions which paint the Faith in a dark light.

Blessings in Christ,
KindredSoul

 

[Anna_Scott]

Against my better judgement I am jumping back into this thread. I have no intention on debating this thing. But upon reflection I think I have clarified in my mind what has been niggling me on this whole issue.

On “the Catholic church gave us the Bible” two things have been niggling me
(1) The shared history issue. Now of course you think the relationship between Catholics and Protestants as “one true church” versus “heresy”. Obviously we don’t see it that way. But you have to understand that for those of us who do not see it that way, we view the apostolic church as shared history instead of the exclusive domain of one group of Christians.
(2) Who really gets the credit. I wish instead of hearing the buck stop at the “Catholic church” that I heard the credit really going back to God. God graciously decided to use humans in this effort. He did not have to. And it was God who gave the humans that He decided to use the discernment to get the assignment He gave them right. But this again might be reflective of my tradition where we are averse to giving humans credit for stuff that God is doing.

On “the Catholic church did not give us the inquisition and priest sex abuse cases”

I perhaps could have worded this better than I did. Now one can construct analogies where assignment of guilt to the group for the activities of the individual is inappropriate. However I also can construct analogies where this is appropriate. Particularly when looking at this from the perspective of the victim. I will not belabour this any more.

But what has been niggling me is that there is clear precedent from Scripture where God does assign guilt to the unit for the activities of the individual (see Achan). Now I am not God, so it is not my call to say whether or not this is the case here. But I certainly would not eliminate the possibility of this being the case myself. Now it seems that y’all have eliminated this possibility, but I would not. But then again, I am not God and do not claim to speak for God.

But anyway, I am sorry if everything that I have spoken here is utter nonsense and from outer space as some have implied. I sometimes am not good at explaining my thoughts clearly. But these are things that have been niggling me as dense as I might be.

Anyway, I have absolutely no intention to beat dead horses any more.

NotTooSmart:

Have you read “On the Jews and Their Lies” written by the “great” Protestant Reformer, Martin Luther? This is hateful, anti-Jewish ranting, which lived on long after Luther’s death.

Hitler actually quoted Martin Luther to help justify his “Final Solution,” which lead to unthinkable atrocities, and, ultimately, the tortuous death of 6 million Jews.

No doubt Hitler would have done the same, even without Luther’s writing. However, Luther’s writing was available to Hitler and suitable for Hitler’s purpose.

My point is, would you want all Protestants to be held accountable for Luther’s hatred of the Jews, and for Luther’s writing—which gave fuel to Hitler’s campaign for genocide of the Jewish people?

There are, indeed, Scriptures that speak of the sins of the father carrying over to future generations. I’m not claiming to understand the details or intentions of those Scriptures.

I do know that we are to place our hope in Christ, our Savior. Forgiveness comes from Christ, and Scripture tells us judgment does not belong to us.

So, my Protestant brother; I urge you to pray and let go of judgment and animosity. The Catholic Church is not our enemy.

Remember the Great Commandment given by our Savior:

Mark 12:28-34 (ESV):
28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”

29Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

32And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. 33And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

In Christ,
Anna

 

[NotTooSmart]

Your mistake isn’t unique, and I do not venture to insult your intelligence; I have known very wise and intelligent people capable of the same exact error. I simply believe you are overlooking some of the aspects of your argument which make it less-than-sound. I wish only to show you what those aspects are and why they are flawed. I, for one, have no animosity for you; but I do wish to defend the Church, as I believe it to be founded by Christ and thus by God, from misconceptions which paint the Faith in a dark light.

Blessings in Christ,
KindredSoul

Hi!
This issue is not that important to me that I wish to spend another 16 pages debating it. In fact it is not that important to me for 1 more page.

In contrast to this we have the issue of “same sex marriage” where in my stupid, uninformed, mind we have had agreement between Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox for the last 2000 years or so until some mainline Protestant denomination (in the west only no less, the east and developing nations want no part of this) have discovered a better idea.

 

[NotTooSmart]

So, my Protestant brother; I urge you to pray and let go of judgment and animosity. The Catholic Church is not our enemy.

If people think that I have animosity, they must really misunderstand me. Probably I have not communicated well. Me and the English language have problems sometimes.

Actually I have read Martin Luther concerning the Jews.

I for one am a much bigger fan of the Anabaptists (most of them) and the Wesleyans than the Germanic reformers Luther, Calvin and Zwingli. I have had the awful thought that Luther wouldn’t be allowed to pastor my church having written what he did about the Jews.

But Luther was almost 500 years ago. Time to let it go.

 

[PJM]

***Originally Posted by NotTooSmart ***
OK…if the RCC compiled it, then the RCC did the sex abuse scandals.

Now I really think that men in the Catholic church compiled it.

My deal?

I have observed an inconsistency. When it comes to the positive in the history of the Church like the Bible, the Church takes credit for it. When it comes to the negative in the history of the Church, it is men and the Church has no part of it.

Now I think the better answer in both cases is that men in the Catholic church are responsible for both the positive and negative, but I can live with the other too.

***Dear friend “NotToo Smart,”

The answer like your name lies in Divine Intervention.

God caused the Bible and tolerates the sex abuse issue,* knowing full well that by giving each human person a mind, an intellect and freewill to do with them as they choose. [Please rearead the last six words] that many would reject Him, His Church and His bible. That is why the reality of hell and heaven are an absolute necessity.**

I’m unclear as to the cause of your lack of understanding, but I suspect it may not be intirely “man made”

Love and prayers friend, and you might consider availing yourself of both:thumbsup:

 

[Mannyfit75]

…unless you also want to say that the Catholic church gave us the inquisition and the priest sex abuse scandals.

Sex abuse scandals go beyond the Catholic Church and other Churches. Pedophilia been around since ancient Greece-Roman history. I am sure you probably know about this if you taken history course. Not to mention pedophiles are wide spread in the Public School System more than the CC.

The point being that you can not take credit for the positive while at the same time pass the buck on the negative. A little consistency on this please.

I suggest you read an unbias book called, “How the Catholic Church build Western Civilization” by Thomas E. Woods, a historian. Indeed, there were inquistations, and there also persecutions committed against Catholics by Protestants. I am sure you heard about St. Thomas More, and others who been martyred by the Protestants.

I suggest you take a look on this Youtube Video I uploaded. youtube.com/watch?v=nthLboMozm0 Where did the Bible come from? from St. Michael’s Media.

It is a historical fact that the Catholic Church DID GIVE US the Bible!

 

[Anna_Scott]

NotTooSmart:

Have you read “On the Jews and Their Lies” written by the “great” Protestant Reformer, Martin Luther? This is hateful, anti-Jewish ranting, which lived on long after Luther’s death.

Hitler actually quoted Martin Luther to help justify his “Final Solution,” which lead to unthinkable atrocities, and, ultimately, the tortuous death of 6 million Jews.

No doubt Hitler would have done the same, even without Luther’s writing. However, Luther’s writing was available to Hitler and suitable for Hitler’s purpose.

My point is, would you want all Protestants to be held accountable for Luther’s hatred of the Jews, and for Luther’s writing—which gave fuel to Hitler’s campaign for genocide of the Jewish people?

There are, indeed, Scriptures that speak of the sins of the father carrying over to future generations. I’m not claiming to understand the details or intentions of those Scriptures.

I do know that we are to place our hope in Christ, our Savior. Forgiveness comes from Christ, and Scripture tells us judgment does not belong to us.

So, my Protestant brother; I urge you to pray and let go of judgment and animosity. The Catholic Church is not our enemy.

Remember the Great Commandment given by our Savior:

Mark 12:28-34 (ESV):
28 And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?”

29Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

32And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. 33And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

34And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

In Christ,
Anna

If people think that I have animosity, they must really misunderstand me. Probably I have not communicated well. Me and the English language have problems sometimes.

Actually I have read Martin Luther concerning the Jews.

I for one am a much bigger fan of the Anabaptists (most of them) and the Wesleyans than the Germanic reformers Luther, Calvin and Zwingli. I have had the awful thought that Luther wouldn’t be allowed to pastor my church having written what he did about the Jews.

But Luther was almost 500 years ago. Time to let it go.

NotTooSmart:

You missed my point entirely.

Anna

 

[NotTooSmart]

NotTooSmart:

You missed my point entirely.

Anna

You probably won’t believe me, but I actually did get your point but chose not to respond to it.

Believe me it is nothing personal. But if you back up 2-3-4 pages in this thread you will read where I got sick and tired of the debate and just wanted to get out.

Believe it or not, the issue was just not all that important to me anyway. It was just something that was niggling me, and it was taken all wrong like me attacking the Catholic church.

So I just did not want to debate it anymore. I see the other side and although I am not convinced by it, at least I understand it.

So it was time for me to let it go.

Meanwhile, when I read your quote on Luther it sort of reminded me that in my reading I came across that relatively recently. And I remember of being troubled and thinking “Good grief, we wouldn’t make this guy pastor of our church with these comments”. So I decided to sidetrack my own thread that I had started that I had totally lost interest in. That’s all.

So I am just letting this go. If anyone else wants to continue this not-so-interesting-to-me-anymore debate, they can have at it. It is not worth it to me, I am tired, and moving on.

 

[PJM]

=NotTooSmart;5649632]Why.

All I have done is pointed out an inconsistency.

But for the record I believe the church is primarily but not solely individuals. I am not sure I can explain it more all that well.

Now in this thread there were some modest attempt at explanations that I am sure make perfect sense to y’all but do not make sense to me. And because they make sense to y’all, this thread will die with you declaring victory to yourselves and the next “Sola Scriptura is Biblical” thread will be the object of your interests.

But most fascinating was the name calling I received in this thread. Many of you members of THE ONE TRUE CHURCH are to certainly to be commended for your outstanding examples of Christian charity:

And the grand prize winner

Friend, perhaps one should not be surprised to “find trouble” when one seemingly is intent on finding it:shrug:

CCC 1181 “A church, “a house of prayer in which the Eucharist is celebrated and reserved, where the faithful assemble, and where is worshipped the presence of the Son of God our Savior, offered for us on the sacrificial altar for the help and consolation of the faithful - this house ought to be in good taste and a worthy place for prayer and sacred ceremonial.” In this “house of God” the truth and the harmony of the signs that make it up should show Christ to be present and active in this place.”

CCC 751 "The word “Church” (Latin ecclesia, from the Greek ek-ka-lein, to “call out of”) means a convocation or an assembly. It designates the assemblies of the people, usually for a religious purpose. Ekklesia is used frequently in the Greek Old Testament for the assembly of the Chosen People before God, above all for their assembly on Mount Sinai where Israel received the Law and was established by God as his holy people. By calling itself “Church,” the first community of Christian believers recognized itself as heir to that assembly. In the Church, God is “calling together” his people from all the ends of the earth. The equivalent Greek term Kyriake, from which the English word Church and the German Kirche are derived, means “what belongs to the Lord.”

These are the two most common understandings of the term "church."

***I do respectfully suggest you change your name if your desire is to enter into serious debats?

Love and prayers,***

 

[latin_rite]

But it is another thing for a priest on church time on church property to molest altar boys. And if this example is still tenuous, it is another thing for Cardinals and Bishops as a part of their job duties to this up and to quietly move the offending priest to another jurisdiction.
.

OO So your problem is that priest committed these crimes while on church time? SO by your reasoning if a rouge cop molest a kid all cops are pedophiles or people who support cops are responsible or if a soldier murders a innocent cilvilian everyone who supports the troops are responsible for the crime? Or does your reasoning only apply to Catholics? And as far as your idiotic that its a Bishop or cardinal " duty" to cover up these heinous crimes. Just shows me that you are either a person who is a total idiot who cannot tell the difference between true catholic teaching and a jack trick lie. Or you’re just someone who is just acting stupid on this matter so you can insult the church which is something you are obviously jealous of.

 

[NotTooSmart]

OO So your problem is that priest committed these crimes while on church time? SO by your reasoning if a rouge cop molest a kid all cops are pedophiles or people who support cops are responsible or if a soldier murders a innocent cilvilian everyone who supports the troops are responsible for the crime? Or does your reasoning only apply to Catholics? And as far as your idiotic that its a Bishop or cardinal " duty" to cover up these heinous crimes. Just shows me that you are either a person who is a total idiot who cannot tell the difference between true catholic teaching and a jack trick lie. Or you’re just someone who is just acting stupid on this matter so you can insult the church which is something you are obviously jealous of.

I am sorry, but my list of compliments is officially closed. See my signature.

You might by really trying to get another entry on my list, but I am not opening it up any more.

Besides, your compliment:

And you nottoosmart" can go to your Brothel you call a church.

was absolutely priceless.

I don’t think you can beat that one anyway.

My goodness, looking at this list again, I am really impressed. People in your church are Soooo nice.:grouphug::grouphug:

But the grand prize winner still is

ll keep you in my prayers, you have a lot of demons.