The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

[robsully]

Thank you Jake for your kind words and proving my point.

 

[PRmerger]

I didn’t realize that one would go to heaven by being intolortate, judgemental, slanderous, insulting, and petty.

Now, rob, really. You’re accusing the CC of teaching this?

Or are you accusing Catholics of being intolerant, judgemental, slanderous, insulting and petty? If so, then that’s why we have the CC to steer us on the right path!

Besides, what’s wrong with being intolerant of WRONG things?

And, if you’re calling someone judgemental, doesn’t that make you guilty of same?

Slanderous? Where? What post?

Insulting? Report it to the mods.

Petty? Ok.

 

[robsully]

Hello PRmerger,

If you define the conduct and comments on this thread Christian in nature, well then who am I to disagree.

 

[Hisalone]

The mission of the Church is to preach the Gospel.

The mission of the Church is to make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son of the Holy Spriit.

How does one restore, give life and to build? By proclaiming the gospel of Christ for it is the power of God. God is He who builds, gives life and restores. We are only His servants.

 

[Hisalone]

I didn’t realize that one would go to heaven by being intolortate, judgemental, slanderous, insulting, and petty.

You are right we are all the above. Paul says who can save us from such? It is Christ.

 

[robsully]

Hello Hisalone,

Thank you very much for your comment. As I stated before I am searching for a better understanding of the Christian faith. If we are all guilty, what is or how is the process to be saved from such short comings?

 

[Hisalone]

Hello Hisalone,

Thank you very much for your comment. As I stated before I am searching for a better understanding of the Christian faith. If we are all guilty, what is or how is the process to be saved from such short comings?

Hi rob,
As you may have heard. God called Abraham to be a people onto Him. He promised Abraham many things among which was that God would make Abraha agreat nation. God also promised that through Abrahams seed all nations on the earth shall be blessed. This is the start of the nation Isreal and the promise of a Messiah.
Many years past and Jesus of Nazareth is born even though The Jews anticipated a Messiah would come many did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Jesus showed many signs and wonders or miracles which caused many others to believe He was who He said he was. Jesus in John4 told the woman at the well that He was the awaited Messiah. Fast foward Jesus was crucified died and was buried. Three days later He rose from the dead.

To become a Christian one needs to believe that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah. We disagree amoung ourselves what else is necessary. I do beleive as do the Catholics here that one needs to be baptised. I will explain this if you like I just dont want to go on too long.

So how are we as Christians saved from our pride, arrogance, insulting others being judgemental etc.
It is through Christ. This is how it works. We are spiritual beings which are housed in flesh while here on earth.
When we come to believe in Jesus He is at the door of our spirit man wanting to enter so when we invite Him in as Protestants do when they have an altar call or when Catholics do when they go through the sacraments. When Jesus is with us His Spirit is birthed in us and it is through His Spirit that saves us or delivers us from our sins. This whole process, yes it is a process not an event is ongoing. Jesus has saved me from alcohol and drug abuse, lust and many other sins but as some say He is not through with me yet.

I know this is not complete but hopefully it can be a springboard for further discussions.

 

[robsully]

Dear Hisalone.

Thank you, thank you. I have many questions regarding the process. But I do not won’t to stray to far off. So I will try to limit it to one.

If the sin is one against someone as opposed to God, what is the process for forgiveness?

Again thank you

 

[Bill_Pick]

Hi rob,
As you may have heard. God called Abraham to be a people onto Him. He promised Abraham many things among which was that God would make Abraha agreat nation. God also promised that through Abrahams seed all nations on the earth shall be blessed. This is the start of the nation Isreal and the promise of a Messiah.
Many years past and Jesus of Nazareth is born even though The Jews anticipated a Messiah would come many did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Jesus showed many signs and wonders or miracles which caused many others to believe He was who He said he was. Jesus in John4 told the woman at the well that He was the awaited Messiah. Fast foward Jesus was crucified died and was buried. Three days later He rose from the dead.

To become a Christian one needs to believe that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah. We disagree amoung ourselves what else is necessary. I do beleive as do the Catholics here that one needs to be baptised. I will explain this if you like I just dont want to go on too long.

So how are we as Christians saved from our pride, arrogance, insulting others being judgemental etc.
It is through Christ. This is how it works. We are spiritual beings which are housed in flesh while here on earth.
When we come to believe in Jesus He is at the door of our spirit man wanting to enter so when we invite Him in as Protestants do when they have an altar call or when Catholics do when they go through the sacraments. When Jesus is with us His Spirit is birthed in us and it is through His Spirit that saves us or delivers us from our sins. This whole process, yes it is a process not an event is ongoing. Jesus has saved me from alcohol and drug abuse, lust and many other sins but as some say He is not through with me yet.

I know this is not complete but hopefully it can be a springboard for further discussions.

P;ease tell him about the altar call and where he can find this in the Bible.it may be a big help

 

[PRmerger]

Hello PRmerger,

If you define the conduct and comments on this thread Christian in nature, well then who am I to disagree.

You are correct, rob. But, remember–you’ve implied that being judgemental is not a good thing.

And, your argument is with those folks who are being, in your opinion, non-Christlike, and not with the Catholic Church and not with Catholics who are posting in truth and charity.

 

[NotTooSmart]

Hello All,

I don’t have a dog in this fight, for I visit the forum in search of truth and a better understanding of Christian beliefs.

Having read this thread, and the responses to NTS and Catholic to Protestant, Protestant to Catholic, why would I become a Christian?

Hello Rob:

As you can see I am the one that started this thread. Now I have long departed it (having lost interest in this topic) but I check in once and a while just out of curiousity.

Thank you for defending me against the accusations made against me in this thread. You were the first one to just come out and flat out say that they were wrong. Imagine, calling me possessed by demons and my church is a brothel. I even see that even though I have long departed from this thread, that the attacks on me still continue.

Now I have gotten over this, but it still hurts sometime to think about this. But I think it ironic that it takes you as a nonChristian (if that is what you are) to see this for what it is.

And yes, Jesus did say that the world will know we are disciples because we have love for each other. When you do not see love between Christians, you have every right to question what you are seeing. I would myself if I were in your shoes,

But even if we fail as Christians, Jesus still remains true.

I will be glad to try to answer any questions that you have.

HisAlone gave you a very good answer in post# 362. Please try to ignore the sarcastic posts that do not reflect the character of Jesus Christ that are still coming in this thread.

 

[Hisalone]

Dear Hisalone.

Thank you, thank you. I have many questions regarding the process. But I do not won’t to stray to far off. So I will try to limit it to one.

If the sin is one against someone as opposed to God, what is the process for forgiveness?

Again thank you

If one sins against another they do sin against God. Lets us an extreme example. Suppose a person goes out and rapes a woman.He sins against her however whether she is Christian or not she is a child of God. So then one of Gods children is hurt.
To answer your question. Find that place in your heart where you are sorry for sinning against this other person, ask God for His forgiveness, He is righteous and just and will forgive you. Then you ask that person for forgiveness.

 

[nsper7]

You are correct, rob. But, remember–you’ve implied that being judgemental is not a good thing.

And, your argument is with those folks who are being, in your opinion, non-Christlike, and not with the Catholic Church and not with Catholics who are posting in truth and charity.

Also, remember that Christ was very blunt, as were the Apostles and St. John the Baptist. Sometimes bluntness is necessary, especially in these sorts of conversations.

From the Catholic standpoint, Protestantism is a heretical and a schismatic group (not saying all Protestants are guilty of formal heresy and schism, I am talking about Protestantism). While Protestantism may contain elements of [Catholic] Truth, it also contains much untruth that stands against Catholic Truth and this is heresy. Protestantism rejects full communion with the Bishop of Rome and rejects the authority of the Catholic Church and thus is guilty of schism.

Protestant theology is simply bastardized, watered down and muddled Catholic theology mixed with falsehood. Again, this is blunt, but true.

 

[robsully]

Hello NTS.

Thank you for understanding how I was witnessing the on going debate.

When I think of Christians I think of " treating others in the same manner in which you would like to be treated". " Turning the other cheek" ect. ect. That is why I jumped in where I had no opinion on the original post.

I had no intention on replying on the question of intolerence of things that are wrong.But.
One may disagree with a comment, belief, religion, or postition. To tolerate such things does not imply agreement.

Thank you again and thank you for allowing my little tolerate/intolerate rant.

 

[PRmerger]

I had no intention on replying on the question of intolerence of things that are wrong.But.
One may disagree with a comment, belief, religion, or postition. To tolerate such things does not imply agreement.

Yes, sometimes.

And, sometimes, to tolerate something that is WRONG is to give permission to it. Like tolerating a husband beating up his wife. Like tolerating racism. Like tolerating a mother killing her child.

Didn’t GK Chesterton have a quote that went something like this: “Tolerance is the virtue of a man with no principles.”

 

[robsully]

Hello Hisalone.

Regarding seeking forgiveness for sinning against another. Can I assume that if one is sincere in seeking forgiveness then a sin committed publicly requires asking for forgiveness publicly?

Or is the request for forgiveness enough?

I am thankful for such guidance.

 

[jmcrae]

Hello Hisalone.

Regarding seeking forgiveness for sinning against another. Can I assume that if one is sincere in seeking forgiveness then a sin committed publicly requires asking for forgiveness publicly?

Or is the request for forgiveness enough?

I am thankful for such guidance.

As Catholics, we make use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. We confess our serious sins to the priest, who then (by means of a ritual given to us by Jesus Christ) causes our sins to be washed away, in the words of the Absolution. We must then do everything possible to avoid committing sin again. If we do, we are always welcome to return to the Sacrament of Reconciliation. The priest will also help you know what to do with regard to making reparations to any actual victims of your sins - for example, if you stole something, ensuring that your victim has his goods restored, or receives something of equal value if restoring his goods is not possible. He can also help you know how to ask for forgiveness in a way that will offer the best possible chance of reconciliation between you and your victim.

When a person first becomes a Christian, all of his or her sins are washed away in the Sacrament of Baptism. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is for post-baptismal sins.

 

[robsully]

Thank you jmcrcae for your guidance.

May I be so bold to ask where I may find the details of such a wonderful ritual.

Also is it neseccary to involve a priest? Is the sin not between me, God, and the one I wronged?

I am sorry that I seem a little or a lot vague on the Catholic ways.

Thank you again

 

[jmcrae]

Thank you jmcrcae for your guidance.

May I be so bold to ask where I may find the details of such a wonderful ritual.

To make use of it, you first have to become a Catholic. When you take the classes for becoming a Catholic (which usually takes place in the context of a process called the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, abbreviated RCIA) the instructors explain the elements of the ritual to you shortly before you go for your First Reconciliation as part of your process of becoming Catholic. Children receive similar instruction when they take classes for First Reconciliation.

Also is it neseccary to involve a priest? Is the sin not between me, God, and the one I wronged?

The priest stands in for both God and the community. At his ordination, he is given the charism of being “another Christ” in his person (called “in persona Christi”) meaning that the words he says are not coming from himself or his own personal opinions, but from Christ Himself, in the context of the ritual action. So, you can see how involving the priest would be essential, so that you can hear with your natural ears what Christ has to say to you, without confusion and without the danger of confusing your own thoughts with whatever Christ may be wanting to convey to you. The priest also stands in for the local parish community (which is also wounded by your sins) by virtue of being its leader.

 

[robsully]

Hello jmcrae.

Thank you for the insight into the Catholic faith.

I would like to study the the ritual, which was given by Jesus. It sounds very fascinating.

Could I find it online or is there a specific text?

Again, thank you