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nsper7
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Perhaps his handle/screenname is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Perhaps a connected question that needs to be asked is: what have the Protestants given us?
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Perhaps a connected question that needs to be asked is: what have the Protestants given us?
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Hisalone
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21Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” .
What am I missing how does this pertain to our discussion.
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nsper7
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I think he meant to include John 20:22-23.
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Bill_Pick
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How many times in the Bible did Jesus breathed on some one.two times here and one other and walk in a closed door/
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nsper7
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You’re preaching to the choir if you’re assailing me. I’m Catholic, remember?
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robsully
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Hello all.
I tried to post this earlier but it failed to post, if it posts twice my apologies.
Hello jmcrae.
I am sorry that my “one” question has become so many.
The process that you describe involving Levites sounds Jewish? Was it for Jews only or used by Jews and Gentiles?
Were all sins dealt with in this method?
I hope this is not straying to far off
I tried to post this earlier but it failed to post, if it posts twice my apologies.
Hello jmcrae.
I am sorry that my “one” question has become so many.
The process that you describe involving Levites sounds Jewish? Was it for Jews only or used by Jews and Gentiles?
Were all sins dealt with in this method?
I hope this is not straying to far off
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PRmerger
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Well, the answer appears to be: confusion!
With over 40,000 protestant denominations, each claiming their interpretation of Scripture is Holy Spirit-inspired yet teaching contradictory doctrines…it would seem that the Author of Deception and Confusion is certainly behind this movement.
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PRmerger
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Yes, it was a Jewish ritual of sacrifice that atoned for the sins of the Jewish people.
Pagans certainly had their own ceremonies–probably as diverse in nature as there were cultures–if their culture even believed in the concept of sin. Many didn’t acknowledge sin.
I suppose you could google how the Greeks dealt with “sin”, or the ancient Egyptians or the Assyrians or Babylonians…etc etc etc
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Bill_Pick
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No This time I was just asking a question,Any one can answer, But its nice to talk to you again,have a good week endYou’re preaching to the choir if you’re assailing me. I’m Catholic, remember?
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jmcrae
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This was the method used by the Jews. I am under the impression that most Gentiles also used various systems of both animal and human sacrifice for the atonement of sins.
All except for those where the direct death of the sinner himself was indicated, although I suppose the family of the condemned would likely have also made sacrifices for the purification of the family tree, in addition to the death of the sinner himself - that is my understanding.
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robsully
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Hello All and thank you all for your guidance
What happened to all the Gentile souls prior to Jesus?
And the the souls prior to the creation of the Jewish Nation?
If there was no method for the forgivness of sins were all lost?
The question (1) has expanded even more and I thank you again for your time.
What happened to all the Gentile souls prior to Jesus?
And the the souls prior to the creation of the Jewish Nation?
If there was no method for the forgivness of sins were all lost?
The question (1) has expanded even more and I thank you again for your time.
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PRmerger
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They were in Sheol (Hebrew for the abode of the dead), or Hades in Greek, until the gospel was preached to them by Christ before His resurrection.
“The gospel was preached even to the dead.” (1 Pet 4:6) …
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Christ went down into the depths of death so that “the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.”(Jn 5:25; cf. Mt 12:40; Rom 10:7; Eph 4:9) Jesus, “the Author of life”, by dying destroyed “him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage.”(Heb 2:14-15; cf. Acts 3:15.) Henceforth the risen Christ holds “the keys of Death and Hades”, so that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth.” (Rev 1:18; Phil 2:10.) (CCC 635)
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robsully
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Hello all, (again I am having problems logging on)
Dear PRmerger thank you for your reply
I will have to take some time to digest what you have said. It is a lot to comprehend.
Sacrifices for some,not for others. Thousands of years of souls kept somewhere for reasons known to them.
I don’t disagree, I just don’t understand.
Dear PRmerger thank you for your reply
I will have to take some time to digest what you have said. It is a lot to comprehend.
Sacrifices for some,not for others. Thousands of years of souls kept somewhere for reasons known to them.
I don’t disagree, I just don’t understand.
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PRmerger
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Ah…I think I see where your confusion lies. You are giving the Gentiles credit for truth and revelation when they sacrificed humans or practiced necromancy or worshipped false gods. Therein lies your error.
Did you mean reasons un-known to them? (Otherwise, if it was reasons known to them, then it seems just, don’t you think? Kind of like a time-out, yes?
)But, if it was unknown to them (and revelation does not tell us if this was so), then it would seem they would have no consciousness anyway, so what’s wrong with this “thousands of years” being “kept somewhere”?
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robsully
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Hello PRmerger.
I am afraid I was not clear regarding sacrifices, sacrifices for O.K. Jews to forgive sins, but not for Gentiles.
How were Noah’s sins (if he had any) forgiven. He was a Gentile?
Yes, unknown, a typo on my part.
The warehousing ( no direspect intended my vocabulary is limited) of souls for thousands and thousands of years from around the world is very, very hard for me to grasp.
I am afraid I was not clear regarding sacrifices, sacrifices for O.K. Jews to forgive sins, but not for Gentiles.
How were Noah’s sins (if he had any) forgiven. He was a Gentile?
Yes, unknown, a typo on my part.
The warehousing ( no direspect intended my vocabulary is limited) of souls for thousands and thousands of years from around the world is very, very hard for me to grasp.
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PRmerger
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Yes, no one is responsible for what has not been revealed to him. Or, to put it positively: we’re only responsible for what has been revealed to us.
Was he? I didn’t know that! Apparently, he was chosen by God and followed his command…so maybe he became one of the Chosen.
Fair enough.
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robsully
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Hello PRmerger.
Noah. Am I wrong in believing all those who came before Abraham and God’s promise to Abraham were Gentiles? As there was not a nation of “chosen”.
In regards to the souls in Sheol. I am trying to put myself in the postition of a soul in there.
If I was an Asian who died 10,000 years ago to be awaken by a Jewish man telling me he is there to forgive me of my sins, which I may or may not be aware of - how would I react?
This is very difficult for me
Thank you
Noah. Am I wrong in believing all those who came before Abraham and God’s promise to Abraham were Gentiles? As there was not a nation of “chosen”.
In regards to the souls in Sheol. I am trying to put myself in the postition of a soul in there.
If I was an Asian who died 10,000 years ago to be awaken by a Jewish man telling me he is there to forgive me of my sins, which I may or may not be aware of - how would I react?
This is very difficult for me
Thank you
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nsper7
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Perhaps these are the sorts of questions best addressed to a good and orthodox (as in believing Catholic doctrine and teaching) Catholic Priest. If you truly want to learn about the Catholic faith, read the Catechism and find a good Priest to talk to. I worry that the various debates between Catholics and Protestants will, instead of answering your questions, only lead to confusion.
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benedictus2
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Ooops, apologies. That should have been John 20:21-23.
And here are the verses
(Jesus) said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.”
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. 23 ** Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” **
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PRmerger
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Nope. You’re not wrong at all.
I’m just saying I didn’t know that Noah was not Jewish. 
LOL! I guess you would react the same way as an Asian in the present time. Consider the Good Newsl and then choose Yes! or No!
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