The Catholic church did not give us the Bible

[benedictus2]

Huh? The Catholic Church wrote the letter? You mean the Bible was written by the catholic church?

The NT, yes. Hard to accept isnt;t it considering you hate her so much

That would be outrageous wouldn’t it?

Nope, just factual.

Where did Marcion get his NT from? And if so, from where did Jerome translate the Latin Vulgate, his pocket?

Everytime you open your mouth you just prove our point
How come we do not have Marcion’s canon? Because the Catholic Church deemed it heretical.

What is undeniable is that these scriptures ALREADY existed before even Catholicism came into being.

Nope the Catholic Church came first. Try reading Matthew 16 and Acts. Yes, as disheartening as that maybe, that coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, that was the birthday of the Catholic Church. From 33AD till the 1500s there was only the Catholic Church.

You could claim that Catholics helped to compile these, specifically Jerome. Compiling is NOT Authoring.

Nope not compile. Wrote. Wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spriit. And because she wrote it, she is also the only one who has the authority which book is or is not canonical.

Anyone can also say that Peter passed the appointment to him/her to establish the ABC church…hat’s to prove him wrong???

Facts. History. That is how we know however much you might chafe under this, that your church is not Christ’s true Church. I am not saying however that Christ does not love you or has somehow left you alone just because 500 years ago, some rebellious people decided to rebel and start up their own churches.

Can you prove him wrong??? Unless you wake Peter up from his slumber and ask him ‘hey, did you pick this fella?’. .

Again. Facts. I would suggest that you start reading a little bit of history. I presume you have the ability to google so get to it.

 

[benedictus2]

Yes, if He so desired, He could have passed the Bible to us through the Communists. I mean you are using double standards here. On the one hand you agree that Jesus could have been crucified by others, but yet you deny that the Bible could also have been passed on by non-catholics.

I am not saying that you did not pass on the Bible to others. I am saying that what you passed on (being a mail carrier) the Catholic Church wrote. Mail carriers serve a noble purpose. But that is all they are. Mail carriers.

You must first QUALIFY that this is indeed His church before you jump on the wagon. Of course you firmly believe in that…but let me tell you…the muslims too believe that muhammad despite his ‘crimes’ was god-sent even though we know it isn’t…and that’s why they believe in his quran.

We on the other hand can prove it. Read a little bit more history. And guess what, even protestant historians and atheist historians confirm this.

BUT…is he even god-sent??? If you stand on a wrong premise/assumption (maybe to you its not), then all your arguments are flawed.

Nope I do not stand on the wrong premise. I stand on the correct premise because from the Christian perspective we can prove it. Since you claim to believe the Bible, then my claims are based on Biblical as well as historical facts.

What will help your understanding greatly is to cease confining your reading to the Epistles of Paul. Read the Gospels. All four of them.

 

[Mosacked]

The NT, yes. Hard to accept isnt;t it considering you hate her so much

Nope, just factual.

Everytime you open your mouth you just prove our point
How come we do not have Marcion’s canon? Because the Catholic Church deemed it heretical.

Nope the Catholic Church came first. Try reading Matthew 16 and Acts. Yes, as disheartening as that maybe, that coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, that was the birthday of the Catholic Church. From 33AD till the 1500s there was only the Catholic Church.

Nope not compile. Wrote. Wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spriit. And because she wrote it, she is also the only one who has the authority which book is or is not canonical.

Facts. History. That is how we know however much you might chafe under this, that your church is not Christ’s true Church. I am not saying however that Christ does not love you or has somehow left you alone just because 500 years ago, some rebellious people decided to rebel and start up their own churches.

Again. Facts. I would suggest that you start reading a little bit of history. I presume you have the ability to google so get to it.

Correction, I don’t hate her. And my point is not whether it was heretical, but that it was already in existence.

You insist that the Catholics wrote the Bible. I’d like to refer you to wikipedia and some other ‘secular’ historical recordings that show the original texts were written by the apostles…of course you can INSIST that the apostles were catholics to begin with just like the muslims INSIST that Abraham was a moslem and therefore islam was there right in the beginning.

You see, there’s alot of EMPTY claims out there which none of us can refute because the witnesses are all either lying in the ground or awaiting judgement. We have to wait for them to rise from their slumber before we can prove the other party wrong.

For me, what is enough is this:

“I AM THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE, NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME” - JESUS.

And for that…I’ll stick with JESUS…not the pope and/or catholicism.

 

[benedictus2]

Correction, I don’t hate her. And my point is not whether it was heretical, but that it was already in existence.

From 33 AD onwards there was only the Catholic Church. Since the books of the NT were written prior to 100AD, therefore all these were written within the Church by Catholics. Yes, surprise, surprise, St Paul was (is) Catholic.

Since not every single baptized person are deemed inspired by the Holy Spirit, this is when the Church decided that they must form a canon. The canon is not only significant for what it included but for what it excluded as well.

That we know that Marcion’s canon is heretical is thanks to the Catholic Church.

You insist that the Catholics wrote the Bible. I’d like to refer you to wikipedia and some other ‘secular’ historical recordings that show the original texts were written by the apostles…of course you can INSIST that the apostles were catholics to begin

Yes, they were. Disheartening isn’t it?

with just like the muslims INSIST that Abraham was a moslem and therefore islam was there right in the beginning.

I don’t think they claim that Abraham was a moslem. They consider Abraham as their Father and rightly so, since the moslems trace themselves back to Ishamel.

You see, there’s alot of EMPTY claims out there which none of us can refute because the witnesses are all either lying in the ground or awaiting judgement.

Oh but they are not empty claims. Historical data is available.

We have to wait for them to rise from their slumber before we can prove the other party wrong.

No we don’t. That is what is so marvelous. God provided even for that so that we will know which is His true Church.

For me, what is enough is this:

“I AM THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE, NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME” - JESUS.

Aye, aye to that. But if you are really serious about following Jesus, you will take Him at His word, ALL OF IT and not just the ones that suit you.

So again, read the Gospels and believe in what He says.

And for that…I’ll stick with JESUS…not the pope and/or catholicism.

And if you are truly sticking wtih Jesus, then you will stick with the Pope as well. But you are not really sticking with Jesus. You are sticking to yourself, I/Me/Myself/Mosacked.

 

[Kirk_O]

And if you are truly sticking wtih Jesus, then you will stick with the Pope as well. But you are not really sticking with Jesus. You are sticking to yourself, I/Me/Myself/Mosacked.

Very true. Protestants want to have the authority (themselves) so they have to deny the Catholic Church’s authority. It gives them importance. It feels real good when you think the Holy Spirit is giving you and only you the answers to life and the Bible (I have been there). This is what leads to so many different Protestant churches. It goes back to I/Me/Myself/I.

 

[AmericanJosiah]

…unless you also want to say that the Catholic church gave us the inquisition and the priest sex abuse scandals.

The point being that you can not take credit for the positive while at the same time pass the buck on the negative. A little consistency on this please.

It 'gave us" neither.

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[Bill_Pick]

Correction, I don’t hate her. And my point is not whether it was heretical, but that it was already in existence.

You insist that the Catholics wrote the Bible. I’d like to refer you to wikipedia and some other ‘secular’ historical recordings that show the original texts were written by the apostles…of course you can INSIST that the apostles were catholics to begin with just like the muslims INSIST that Abraham was a moslem and therefore islam was there right in the beginning.

You see, there’s alot of EMPTY claims out there which none of us can refute because the witnesses are all either lying in the ground or awaiting judgement. We have to wait for them to rise from their slumber before we can prove the other party wrong.

For me, what is enough is this:

“I AM THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE, NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME” - JESUS.

And for that…I’ll stick with JESUS…not the pope and/or catholicism.

This person Need a two hr history lesson and then a course in history lesson for six more years,and 2ooo years in Cathocism

 

[jmcrae]

Who teaches these people who wrote the letter?

It was St. Paul who wrote the letter. He lived at the same time as the Apostles, and conformed his teaching to theirs. Yes, he had had a special vision of Christ - not everyone receives that.

The other letter writers of the New Testament were the Apostles.

As you know, the Apostles were taught for three years by Jesus Christ Himself, in person. The Holy Spirit was helping them remember what He had told them, but was not giving them new information.

In the same way, the Holy Spirit has protected the successors of the Apostles, especially the Popes down through the ages. Even the most corrupt and sinful Popes never taught against the teachings of the Church.

 

[jmcrae]

Huh? The Catholic Church wrote the letter? You mean the Bible was written by the catholic church?

The New Testament was written by the first generation of the Roman Catholic Church, between 51-100 AD, under the leadership of the first four Popes, which were the Apostle Peter, followed by St. Linus, St. Cletus, and finally St. Clement, who was Pope when St. John was writing the Book of Revelation on the island of Patmos.

We know this because even until now, we have their graves with us, and we can read what is written on their graves, and we can read what is written about them in the Catacombs of Rome, and we can read the letters that they sent to each other at that time - not only the ones that came into the Bible, but others, as well, that show that Rome was the principle seat of the Church, and that the Bishop of Rome held the final authority for decision-making in the Church.

 

[Hisalone]

It 'gave us" neither.

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Thank you for setting the record straight

 

[Hisalone]

The New Testament was written by the first generation of the Roman Catholic Church, between 51-100 AD, under the leadership of the first four Popes, which were the Apostle Peter, followed by St. Linus, St. Cletus, and finally St. Clement, who was Pope when St. John was writing the Book of Revelation on the island of Patmos.

We know this because even until now, we have their graves with us, and we can read what is written on their graves, and we can read what is written about them in the Catacombs of Rome, and we can read the letters that they sent to each other at that time - not only the ones that came into the Bible, but others, as well, that show that Rome was the principle seat of the Church, and that the Bishop of Rome held the final authority for decision-making in the Church.

Drink Kool-Aide much?

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Well, gee, His. Surely then you can provide us with nice primary sources which prove conclusively that the apostles were not Catholic Christians and that the Bible was certainly not compiled by any people who were Catholic. Now, we know that the Old Testament was written by Jews. Heck, Jesus was Jewish! And, had all the Jewish people accepted Him as who He was, we’d all be Jewish too. BUT. . .not all the Jews accepted Him. And that made those people who did accept Christ, whether they were Jewish or Gentile, into something else. . .neither Jewish nor Gentile but Christian. And, as Christian, there was only ‘one’ group from the start. . .universal “Catholic” Christians.

But since you say otherwise, it ought to be a piece of cake for you because naturally you can prove exactly ‘what’ the people were who wrote Scripture of the New Testament; that is, those who followed Jesus and were no longer Jewish or Gentile, and what the people were who, under the Spirit, put that Scripture as canon.

Gee, I’m waiting.

 

[jmcrae]

Drink Kool-Aide much?

Actually, I stopped drinking Kool-aid, and started reading source documents, and thinking for myself.

You should try it!

 

[Hisalone]

Actually, I stopped drinking Kool-aid, and started reading source documents, and thinking for myself.

You should try it!

Show the original source documents that Peter, Paul, Mathew, Mark and Luke were Roman Catholic.

 

[Hisalone]

Well, gee, His. Surely then you can provide us with nice primary sources which prove conclusively that the apostles were not Catholic Christians and that the Bible was certainly not compiled by any people who were Catholic. Now, we know that the Old Testament was written by Jews. Heck, Jesus was Jewish! And, had all the Jewish people accepted Him as who He was, we’d all be Jewish too. BUT. . .not all the Jews accepted Him. And that made those people who did accept Christ, whether they were Jewish or Gentile, into something else. . .neither Jewish nor Gentile but Christian. And, as Christian, there was only ‘one’ group from the start. . .universal “Catholic” Christians.

But since you say otherwise, it ought to be a piece of cake for you because naturally you can prove exactly ‘what’ the people were who wrote Scripture of the New Testament; that is, those who followed Jesus and were no longer Jewish or Gentile, and what the people were who, under the Spirit, put that Scripture as canon.

Gee, I’m waiting.

No problems here…unless you try and say those catholic christians were Roman Catholic Christians.

 

[jmcrae]

Show the original source documents that Peter, Paul, Mathew, Mark and Luke were Roman Catholic.

Just off the top of my head - St. Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians, St. Irenaeus’ Against the Heresies, the seven Epistles of St. Ignatius of Antioch. I give you those as starting places, and if you still doubt that the Early Church had Bishops, or that the Bishop of Rome was the chief Bishop, then I’ll have more for you, later.

 

[Hisalone]

Just off the top of my head - St. Clement’s Letter to the Corinthians, St. Irenaeus’ Against the Heresies, the seven Epistles of St. Ignatius of Antioch. I give you those as starting places, and if you still doubt that the Early Church had Bishops, or that the Bishop of Rome was the chief Bishop, then I’ll have more for you, later.

Dont waste your time. Your documents do not say what you say they do. Nor are they written at the time of the Apostles. So have another drink.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Thank you for setting the record straight

Well all stop here and say a Pray for this person,he is in need of HELP

 

[AmericanJosiah]

Thank you for setting the record straight

Sure.

 

[Hiskid1973]

Well all stop here and say a Pray for this person,he is in need of HELP

Aren’t we al…