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fbl9
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and from a classic movie…
mellow,mellow,mellow
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CWBetts
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Does my temper show throufg that much?**I thought you said Moron!Remember Carl has a temper.
Try and be nice, it is the Christmas season after all!
God Bless
PS. Carl is correct in all he says. I just wanted you to know that!
Merry Christmas! **
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fbl9
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don’t be too hard on yourself it shows through on the worst of us too.Does my temper show throufg that much?
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guanophore
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Despite the abuse you have suffered, you are still a bright, creative, passionate young man who is obviously fervent about his faith.
That is my point. You are lowering yourself to his level!
I understand that, but this is falling short. It is bad enough that you have been treated hurtfully by short sighted or bigoted persons. Don’t perpetuate it by feeding into it.
“Finally, beloved, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.” Phil 4:8-9
This Spirit of God can enable us to forgive such bigotry, and rise above it.
Young man, I have given you no reason to be sarcastic with me. I ask that you not take out your resentments for other members on me. I am trying to support you here because I respect your inquiry.
As you “right”, of course your bible is right. Your interpretation may not be.
You do not believe that your faith is counterfeit. You are using that insulting quote to showcase rudeness and bigotry that you have received. It is not productive to focus on the negativity.
No, the Church does not sin. People sin. People who are attached to the Church have committed evil acts, and wounded the Body of Christ.
Because I know that the Church is pure, made so by Christ himself. I am also not so prideful that I realize my own capacity to commit equally atrocious acts, and though I abhor the evil that has been done in the name of Christ, or the Church, I realize that we are all capable of gross sin.
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Rolltide
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Catholics would consider it to lack seven books, and some translations might have a few issues. This could lead you to some wrong conclusions, but in general, the text isn’t wrong as much as it’s just lacking a little extra info. It’s certainly good enough to be used for most purposes.
Here’s a link to the complete New American Bible, a version approved for Catholics. This is a more modern translation.
usccb.org/nab/bible/
And here’s a link to the complete Douay-Rheims Bible, the first ever Catholic version in English. This one comes complete with an online Catholic Bible commentary that’s excellent! This translation is more like the King James Version.
haydock1859.tripod.com/index.html
Now you will always have access to Catholic bible versions for comparison!
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Cinette
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I LOVE Protestants. They make me a better Catholic.
Seriously, we don’t eat Protestants for breakfast. We are your brothers and sisters and we know that we can learn a lot from you.
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Martin777
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What things were taught before a word of Scripture was written, and how do you know what they are? When did the doctrine on praying to someone other than God appear. Can you document that for me?Yes, this is why we say that all who are led by this Spirit are Catholic! There is only one Church, One Lord, One Baptism. That is why all who are connected to the Head are members of the One Body.
This is how we understand what happened at the wedding in Cana. Jesus demonstrates the manner in which he responds to the intercessions of His beloved mother.
No, there is no rebuke. There is also no where in scripture where it states that scripture alone contains all that is appropriate for Christian prayer life.
Acts 2:41-42
" They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers."
Those who have separated themselves from the Apostolic Succession have lost the portion of the Apostles’ teaching that is not contained in the Bible, and from the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and the life of Catholic prayer. These things were taught to the Church before a word of the Scripture was written, and have been preserved by the Church to this day.
Not exactly, but given the title of the thread, I can only imagine.
There is only one true church. It is composed of all believers who have been born again by faith in the Son of God and his atonement for us. When I occasionally recite the Apostles Creed, we say we believe in the holy catholic (universal) church.
By the way, do you know where the practice of mother and child worship began?
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LeroyCRHP
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Great story, I went through RCIA 7 years after meeting my cradle Catholic wife. It took me some time to realize the truth of the Catholic Church and then another few years after that to really commit. I’m still a poor sinner trying to do better every day. After attending many “major” religions I came to believe the Catholic Church’s historical position, their incredible network of Priests, Nuns, Monks, Bishops, and people that commit to the church put them in a unique position I wanted to be a part of.
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Realcatholicgk
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**I LOVE Protestants. They make me a better Catholic.
Seriously, we don’t eat Protestants for breakfast. We are your brothers and sisters and we know that we can learn a lot from you.
I also love Protestants! And dispite certain rumors, I also do not eat Protestants for breakfast! :tsktsk: I will admit to chewing on a few of their butts, !:bigyikes: But never in anger!
More like “love” bites!I have often been “confused” by Protestants of various denominations. Jesus wanted us to go out and convert all nations right? Have you ever noticed that Potestants spend a lot of time attempting to 'convert" Catholics that they do Heathens. it is true!
Because I am unafraid to profess my faith! On several threads I have attacked and even been accused of being a bigot! People who know me “in person” know different.Last year I actually help defend a Baptist Church that was being attacked by bigots because it moved into their neighborhood. Myself ,and other 'christians" provided 'guard duty" for weeks after their church was sewt on fire several times in a three week period.I do a lot with Protestants: 40 days Protest, Pro-life chain. etc. As a youth, I fought and got disabled for the things that our country stands for.religious freedom is one! I would never permit anyone to impose their religious beliefs on anyone. However I will continue to explain the errors of counterfeit denominations and their beliefs!
I said all of that to close by saying that we are all children of God. Jesus death was enough to save every human being evry born or murdered in their mother’s womb, if we accept His sacrifice and follow His real teachings! John 6: 53-59
“I am the Light of the world. He who follows me shall not walk in darkness,. but have the light of life.” John 8:12.
God Bless**
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Rolltide
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Well there’s a loaded question if I’ve ever read one…
I know where you’re going with this, and you do realize that the answer you’re trolling for is also used by atheists to deny Christianity in general, or assert the “pagan” recycling of ideas, right? If you follow down this line of reasoning, you’re shooting yourself in your own foot. Those arguments are tired and have been refuted over and over, and by just as many Protestants as Catholics.
It almost sounds like the infamous “Zeitgeist” movie…
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Realcatholicgk
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**
Hi Leroy,
We are all poor sinners! Welcome to the faith! It is jokingly said that cradle catholic wives bring more men into the church then “mothers” do!
I am a cradle catholic. I have actually have been around the world. I have been to many countries and into many religious facilities and churches. I have attended Mass in many countries. I have had communion at St Peter’s in Rome, In England, Switzerland, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Luxemburg, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwain, the Phillippines, and about 40 of our states including Alaska and Hawaii!
I have always been welcomed and understood exactly what was happening, dispite language difficulties! I still was able to eat the Flesh and Drink the Blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in all those many countries and various churchs!
A Protestant could never, in even the USA, feel as confortable in another Protestant denominations service as I did in the family of Catholic churches! God is Good!
God Bless. **
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guanophore
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The whole gospel that Jesus committed to the Apostles, and authorized them to teach it.
Because they have been preserved through the Apostolic Succession.
“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.” 1 Cor 11:2
Catholics preserved and maintained the traditions, just as they were delivered.
This is how God has been preparing a people for Himself for thousands of years.I think your understanding of the word “prayer” is inadequate, so it probably will do no good. Unless you can grasp that “prayer” when used in this context means to supplicate or entreat, nothing I can show you will do any good. Catholics do not worship or adore anyone but God.
Quotes have already been shown to you from scripture, and you do not accept them.
No. I have been told by some Reformers that they believe Catholicism is a “mother and child” religion, but I do not know where that comes from.
Catholics believe that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avail much. We believe that the departed who are glorified are such persons, and their prayers are very powerful. We see a glimpse of the strength of Mary’s intercession at the Wedding in Cana.
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guanophore
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This is an amazing testimony. May God bless your witness to His goodness.
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Cinette
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You had not noticed YET that SIA is not on these threads to debate seriously at all?
:nope: :banghead: :ehh: :ehh: :yawn:
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Cinette
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You are teaching us the art of creative spelling and grammar!**
I also love Protestants! And dispite certain rumors, I also do not eat Protestants for breakfast! :tsktsk: I will admit to chewing on a few of their butts, !:bigyikes: But never in anger!
I have often been “confused” by Protestants of various denominations. Jesus wanted us to go out and convert all nations right? Have you ever noticed that Potestants spend a lot of time attempting to 'convert" Catholics that they do Heathens. it is true!
Because I am unafraid to profess my faith! On several threads I have attacked and even been accused of being a bigot! People who know me “in person” know different.Last year I actually help defend a Baptist Church that was being attacked by bigots because it moved into their neighborhood. Myself ,and other 'christians" provided 'guard duty" for weeks after their church was sewt on fire several times in a three week period.I do a lot with Protestants: 40 days Protest, Pro-life chain. etc. As a youth, I fought and got disabled for the things that our country stands for.religious freedom is one! I would never permit anyone to impose their religious beliefs on anyone. However I will continue to explain the errors of counterfeit denominations and their beliefs!
I said all of that to close by saying that we are all children of God. Jesus death was enough to save every human being evry born or murdered in their mother’s womb, if we accept His sacrifice and follow His real teachings! John 6: 53-59
“I am the Light of the world. He who follows me shall not walk in darkness,. but have the light of life.” John 8:12.
God Bless**
Yes, I would also defend people of other churches if anyone attacked them. I have donated to the Salvation Army and prayed for the Anglican Church when they were in crisis.
I would want non-Catholic to also defend us.
“Love…love changes everything!”
:harp: :hug1:
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Cinette
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Thanks for that I have just filed it under Bigotry!**Ok Carl,
**Calm down!
God Bless
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Martin777
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So you’re saying the gospels we all have in our Bible were also preserved in your Bible…or is there something extra you have?The whole gospel that Jesus committed to the Apostles, and authorized them to teach it.
Because they have been preserved through the Apostolic Succession.
“I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.” 1 Cor 11:2
Catholics preserved and maintained the traditions, just as they were delivered.
I think your understanding of the word “prayer” is inadequate, so it probably will do no good. Unless you can grasp that “prayer” when used in this context means to supplicate or entreat, nothing I can show you will do any good. Catholics do not worship or adore anyone but God.
Quotes have already been shown to you from scripture, and you do not accept them.
No. I have been told by some Reformers that they believe Catholicism is a “mother and child” religion, but I do not know where that comes from.
Catholics believe that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avail much. We believe that the departed who are glorified are such persons, and their prayers are very powerful. We see a glimpse of the strength of Mary’s intercession at the Wedding in Cana.
Still waiting on documentation of when the Catholic church first started teaching the you should pray to Mary.
Mother and child worship began with the pagan Babylonian worship system and is found in many false religions throughout history. In that verse I quoted where someone could be construed to be ascribing some kind of worship to Mary )“Blessed…”) Jesus rediredted them. The Catholic church could have served us well had they picked up on that.
The wedding at Cana was an example of an event in Jesus’ life BEFORE his ascension. He is the exalted King now and the only intercessor we need and the only one we have been instructed to employ. When I speak to Jehovah’s Witnesses about their special doctrines for which they have a proof text, they have an obsession that blinds them to the truth and they won’t look at the greater body of scripture. The obsession with Mary is amazingly similar.
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CWBetts
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It is the anti-Catholic Protestants that have the obsession with Mary. Communion of the Saints is in the Bible. We do NOT worship the Blessed Virgin. Veneration and Adoration are not the same. Our faith is CHrist centered. Your agenda is showing: to lead the faithful away from the Holy Catholic Church.
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guanophore
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yes, I have noticed that on many threads over a long period of time. However, I strive to give an informative and charitable response because there are usually around 10 times more lurkers reading the threads than posters. Something may help them, even if it will not help SIA. Such members are challenges to our charity.You had not noticed YET that SIA is not on these threads to debate seriously at all?
:nope: :banghead: :ehh: :ehh: :yawn:
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. 34 If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.” Luke 6:32-36
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