The Catholic Church wrong? Part two

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Here lies the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant. The old covenant is the law which must be upheld perfectly.
No, there is no difference. The New Covenant must also be held perfectly.
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This new covenant in His blood, covers our sins and makes us rightous before God. Our sins, past, present and future are wiped from our record and we are to walk in the Spirit and no longer be held to the law.
If this were true, what point would there be to confessing sins that are already covered by the blood?
To do good deeds in order to keep your salvation is to try to follow the old covenant(law) again, which we already proved we could not do and in doing that, you reject the work that Jesus did on the cross.
I think such a statement reflects a deficient understanding of salvation as something that occurs at one point in time, for all time. Walking in the good deeds that God has prepared from the foundation of the world for us is not the “old covenant law”. We do this by grace, through faith, and not of our own, that no one can boast. On the contrary, failure to walk in His ways is a rejection of the work He did on the cross. It represents cheap grace, and permission to fail to live a life worthy of HIs sacrifice.
 
Well, yes and no. I think “natural” perhaps not, but 'supernatural". Good deeds flow from authentic faith in God. Fruit does not “force” itself to grow, it grows naturally from a healthy tree. I agree that these works are part of the judgement, but I also think that Jesus is trying to show us that, when we are properly connnected to the vine, we will, by our new nature created by the HS, produce these fruits.
Yes, exactly. Our good deeds do not flow **naturally **out of our Faith, or else James would have felt no need to write his Epistle.

Our good works flow “supernaturally” out of our faith, because God gives us the Graces to desire to please Him, to serve Him, to give Him thanks, etc., etc. But even though these Graces flow all over us, we must still accept these Graces or reject them.

On a personal note, I was sitting in Mass one day and Father was giving the Praise and Thanksgiving (I don’t know the name of this part of the Mass, but it is immediately after we say “It is right to give Him Thanks and Praise”, and before the Holy, Holy, Holy (The Sanctus?).

BTTP, during this prayer, Father said, “Just the desire to give You Thanks, is yet another gift from you, Heavenly Father……” and I stood there stunned just trying to wrap my hands around this. I must admit, somewhat abashedly, that I dwelt on and soaked up this phrase all the while tuning out the rest of the Mass until we got to the Our Father. It was a powerful moment to me as I began to realize that all that is good within me, comes from God!!!
 
Bro-What part of…“A man is justified by faith apart from ANY works of the Law” …do you not understand? (And he repeats it numerous times!) Do you think if you wait long enough those verses will change? By the way, I’m limited right now…sitting in the intermission between Little Big Town and Carrie Underwood!
Part 1 of 2 “…For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” - Ephesians 2:10
“Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” - 2 Corinthians 11:15
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds.” - Romans 2:6
“[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.” - Titus 3:8
“And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works…” - Hebrews 10:24
“Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by [your] good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.” - 1 Peter 2:12
“What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” - James 2:14-26
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” - Matthew 25:31-46
“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” - Revelations 20:12
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” - Revelations 22:12
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"…Among the Scripture verses which are frequently twisted by protestants are Romans 11:6, Galatians 2:16, and Romans 4:1-8. These verses have been twisted by protestants, who, through misunderstanding and lack of knowledge, are under the delusion that they refute the Catholic stance on works and salvation. Let us start with Romans 11:6. Permit me to cite the verse in question:
Romans 11:6 [DR] And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace.
If salvation were to come by works, done by nature, apart faith and grace, salvation would not be a grace or favor, but a debt; but such dead works are indeed of no value in the sight of God towards salvation. It is not the same with regard to works done with and by God’s grace; for to such works as these he has promised eternal salvation (see the above-cited verses on this question).
The Church does not say that grace is not necessary for salvation, nor does She say that Faith is not necessary for salvation. And She is most certainly not saying that one can be saved by works alone. All three of the above are necessary for salvation. Faith without grace and works is dead, just as works without faith and grace would be dead. It is through a misunderstanding of Catholic teaching that this verse is commonly used by Protestants against Catholics, and against the necessity of works for salvation.
… to cite Galatians 2:16, which says:
Galatians 2:16 [DR] But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ; we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
As the Haydock’s Bible says concerning this verse:
“‘Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law.’ S. Paul, to the end of the chapter, seems to continue his discourse to S. Peter, but chiefly to the Jewish Galatians, to show that both the Gentiles, whom the Jews called and looked upon as sinners, and also the Jews, when converted, could only hope to be justified and saved by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law. – ‘For by the law I am dead to the law.’ That is, says S. Jerome, by the evangelical law of Christ I am dead to the ancient law and its ceremonies.” (Vol. II p. 244)
And as St. Paul said in his Epistle to the Romans, Chapter 3 verse 20, “Because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him. For by the law is the knowledge of sin.” What is obviously being referred to here are the works of the Law of Moses. If it were otherwise, we would have a clear-cut example of a contradiction in the Sacred Scriptures. For does not St. James tell us that Faith without works is dead? And do not the Scriptures elsewhere state that Good works and deeds are necessary for salvation (Luke 10:28; 10:25; 18:18. Matthew 19:16)? Here we see that the protestants are pitting Scripture against Scripture… instead of accepting Scripture in its entirety. The protestants claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost… but one of the many problems with this is the fact that the Holy Ghost would never accept the words of St. Paul over the words of St. James, and discard the words of the latter. Nor would the Holy Ghost ask one to discard the Words of Christ, as listed in the books of Matthew and Luke, chapters and verses listed above.
The third, and, by far, the most frequently used attack on the necessity of works for salvation, is Romans 4:1-8, which says as follows:
“What shall we say then that Abraham hath found, who is our father according to the flesh. For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him unto justice. Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned according to grace, but according to debt. But to him that worketh not, yet believeth in him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reputed to justice, according to the purpose of the grace of God. As David also termeth the blessedness of a man, to whom God reputes justice without works: Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord hath not imputed sin.”
As St. James states, referring to the exact same verses to which you are referring above "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? "(St. James, 2:21-24) When St. Paul stated “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God” what were, again, referred to were works done for the honor and glory of man, not those of God. As the verse very plainly points out. It is not rejecting works altogether, as St. James pointed out above. In fact, St. James uses the verse following the above as proof for the fact that works are necessary for justification! After all, not only was the offering up of Isaac upon the altar a work (which God required Abraham to do, in order to test Abraham’s Faith… which, in turn, shows, yet again, that Faith alone is not enough), but also Abraham’s own belief, was a work.
It might be very well to point out here that taking Scripture verses out of context (in an attempt to prove an erroneous belief), is a thing which was used by Satan himself against Christ when Satan tempted Christ in the desert.
Thus falls the theory of salvation through faith alone, not to mention the erroneous interpretations which are frequently given to several verses in the Sacred Scriptures.
catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/saved.htm
 
The Law had nothing to do with Salvation, for it could only provide Temporal rewards. But the OT was a shadow of things to come, so…
Actually I think it does. It was given to God’s Chosen people, those he intended to save. And there are several references in the Law that go beyond temporal rewards. Yes, it was a shadow of things to come, but God’s plan of salvation has never changed. Those under the old covenant were saved by grace, through faith, just as we are. However, for them, the Law was binding, and they lived under it as a custodian. For us, the custodian is the Law of Christ (Love) which fulfills and exceeds the Mosaic law.
And yet Jesus teaches time and time again that we will be judged by our actions, not by our faith.
The only problem I see with this is “and not”. I think that Jesus teaches that we will be judged by our actions. For Him, faith is action. He will judge the quality of our faith, as evidenced in our deeds. It is what comes out of the heart of man that justifies him, or defiles him. Either his heart is right with God, and he bears good fruit, or his heart is not, and he bears bad fruit.
showing us that merely having faith is not enough. You’ll find Paul, James, Peter, and John echoing this.
I think it is the quality of faith, rather, that it reflected here. Saving faith is faith that works.
Faith is critical - no argument there, for without faith, you are nothing. But as Paul clearly says, “If I have Faith to move mountains, and have not love, then I am nothing”(paraphrasing).
Saving faith is never separated from loving acts, which is why those who are not bearing fruit may be reflecting the fact that they are not in a right relationship with God.

It is not the works themselves that make a person a sheep or a goat, but their nature. His sheep have been born again from above by water and spirit, and walk in newness of life. This life of faith produces the good works that are seen. Goats, are by nature, goats, and not sheep.
 
I think you really believe that you can somehow do your part to obtain or keep your salvation, but all you are doing by this is rejecting the sufficiency of Christ.
Yes, Catholics really do believe that we can do our part to obtain and keep salvation. We believe that we are saved by grace, through faith. God calls us by grace, kindles our hearts to follow Him, and by that grace, we can choose to respond or reject Him. Having responded to His grace in faith, we then choose to become obedient to Him, and to do the works that He has prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. He then preserves us by His grace, and finishes the work that He has begun in us. We believe that we are able to jump form His hand, and run from HIm, and reject his purpose (salvation) for ourselves.

This is a result of His sufficiency. 😃
 
Jesus plus anything takes from the work of Christ.
Such a statement seems to presuppose that our good works, which God has prepared beforehand that we should walk in them, originate somewhere besides the grace by which we are saved. It is God who is at work in us to will and to do His good pleasure. It is not Jesus “plus”. It is faith working through love, which is generated in us by God’s grace.
 
Ok, the important context is the entire letter to the Romans, at least the first 8 chapters. In 3 and 4 he says that justification is by faith, apart from any works of the law. Can it get any clearer than that?
This is, in fact,the teaching of the Catholic Church.
For the dull of hearing he even repeats it a couple of times. Then he goes on to show how God ensures He has a people who will do works for the right reason!!!
It is a sad fact that there are many poorly catechized “Catholics” that do not understand the teaching of the Church.
I think maybe the Catholic chirch still thinks it does work! (It definitely raises money!)
No. The Church has never believed or taught this. I will concede, though, that there are many misguided individuals who have used this heresy to make money.
 
Works and faith, do go together as far as, you can “Show” your faith through good works, but you are saved through faith. You can have a saving faith before you do good works, but you cannot have good works before you have a saving faith.

You can have a tree before the fruit, but you cannot have fruit before you have the tree.
I like this way of looking at it. The same faith through which we access saving grace is the faith by which we fulfill the Law of Love. both are based on grace, through faith. It is faith that works.
 
Were are we?

oh…
Originally Posted by HankZ

‘I did answer it. The only good deed you have is accepting the sacrifice of Jesus to pay for your sins. Good deeds are not a tool used in judgement in the contents you are putting it, how could the thief enter without them or being baptized or any of the other “sacraments?” He could not feed poor, clothe the naked, or anyother works, he was nailed to a tree beside our Lord, unable to help himself. This is the perfect position to be in, helpless and in need of our Lord.”

In your response you are completely disregarding the entire verse and its meaning. Again I present it and stand on the fact that The entire verse speaks of being judged as to doing good works or doing nothing… That was the point and what I was asking you about as far as your opinion of the purpose of it if you do not need good works.

Can you explain the purpose of the following if we are not to do good works toward our salvation?
Math CH 25 31 14 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, 32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a strange and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ 40 And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’ 41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ 44 18 Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ 45 He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

How can you possibly submit a response and consider it credible as you have based on this scripture verse? Other than saying “because” show some support at least.
I was taught that good works will follow those who really are saved by faith. If I’m not serving Jesus, the problem is probably that I am not his child. Don’t you agree with that?
 
Actually I think it does. It was given to God’s Chosen people, those he intended to save. And there are several references in the Law that go beyond temporal rewards. Yes, it was a shadow of things to come, but God’s plan of salvation has never changed. Those under the old covenant were saved by grace, through faith, just as we are. However, for them, the Law was binding, and they lived under it as a custodian. For us, the custodian is the Law of Christ (Love) which fulfills and exceeds the Mosaic law.
But the OT Law didn’t save. The rewards were temporal, as were the punishments.
The only problem I see with this is “and not”. I think that Jesus teaches that we will be judged by our actions. For Him, faith is action. He will judge the quality of our faith, as evidenced in our deeds. It is what comes out of the heart of man that justifies him, or defiles him. Either his heart is right with God, and he bears good fruit, or his heart is not, and he bears bad fruit.
Yes, scratch that. I meant to say, “*and not **just *by faith”. As I stated later, the “Faith” part is understood by myself and HankZ, which is why I don’t feel it needs to be accented.
I think it is the quality of faith, rather, that it reflected here. Saving faith is faith that works.
Saving faith is never separated from loving acts, which is why those who are not bearing fruit may be reflecting the fact that they are not in a right relationship with God.
So do we start preaching “by saving faith alone shall you be saved”? I’m a little confused with the term “saving faith”, for I think to different people it needs different things.
It is not the works themselves that make a person a sheep or a goat, but their nature. His sheep have been born again from above by water and spirit, and walk in newness of life. This life of faith produces the good works that are seen. Goats, are by nature, goats, and not sheep.
I think the goats and sheep analogy is throwing people off. I’ve heard Calvinists claim that the goats went to hell because they were goats (they weren’t of the elect).

The goats and sheep analogy is simply that - an analogy.
And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. From then on Jesus treats them as the people that they are, not sheep and not goats.
 
I was taught that good works will follow those who really are saved by faith. If I’m not serving Jesus, the problem is probably that I am not his child. Don’t you agree with that?
Not necessarily, a person can be saved without knowing Christianity at all if they follow the laws of the heart placed in each of us by God. A true Christian is responsible to strive to live a charitable life performing good works in the love of all for the love of God. Certainly the opportunity to perform such works will always find a person but whether or not he/she lives such a life is a matter of our making the right choice for the love of our Lord. It is required to live such a life in the love of our Lord to reach salvation.
 
ok, then as I asked before -please refer me to the “correct” interpretation from a credible source that you base your discharge of these verses and Mathews verses from. That is all I am asking for.
I’m not sure what you are asking me to do. What I am doing is showing you the scriptures that teach that we are saved by faith and that works follow as a sign that genuine new life sprung up when the person received eternal life by faith. Do you want me to quote someone on this?
 
I’m not sure what you are asking me to do. What I am doing is showing you the scriptures that teach that we are saved by faith and that works follow as a sign that genuine new life sprung up when the person received eternal life by faith. Do you want me to quote someone on this?
no, I don’t think that will help. What you are doing is invalidating what Christ is teaching, for a Calvanistic undertanding of the gospel. This type of reduction must be done in order to make the understanding of salvation one event that happens once in time, for all time. This is not consistent with the Apostolic Teaching.
 
Originally posted by Martin777 Among many other blessings we enjoy is the confidence and peace Jesus described when He said, “You will know the truth and the truth will set you free”. Once he does that for you, you’ll know why tens of millions the world over were gloriously saved despite the confusion of the RCC.

What “confusion” is that, pray? What makes you think your “confusion” about Catholic teaching is shared by others?
And what makes you think that Catholics to not know this peace?
 
Yes, Catholics really do believe that we can do our part to obtain and keep salvation. We believe that we are saved by grace, through faith. God calls us by grace, kindles our hearts to follow Him, and by that grace, we can choose to respond or reject Him. Having responded to His grace in faith, we then choose to become obedient to Him, and to do the works that He has prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. He then preserves us by His grace, and finishes the work that He has begun in us. We believe that we are able to jump form His hand, and run from HIm, and reject his purpose (salvation) for ourselves.

This is a result of His sufficiency. 😃
Salvation comes from the Lord, so says the Lord.

What do you need to add to Jesus in order to have eternel life, when it is Jesus who is the door by which all shall pass through? Salvation is the gift of God, how much work do you need to do to be given this gift? Those who are saved are sealed; what can you do to recieve this seal or can you break God’s seal on your own?

Jesus is not a partial payment for your salvation, it has been paid in full. If you accept His full payment, only then can you follow Him with your heart and do the good deeds. You cannot do them with the idea the He will find favor on you, only out of love for Him and fellow men. Good deeds done for anyother reason is selfish(filthy rags.) To say that there is not a moment in which salvation becomes a reality contradicts scripture.
 
Salvation comes from the Lord, so says the Lord.

What do you need to add to Jesus in order to have eternel life, when it is Jesus who is the door by which all shall pass through? Salvation is the gift of God, how much work do you need to do to be given this gift? Those who are saved are sealed; what can you do to recieve this seal or can you break God’s seal on your own?
I think you really do not understand Catholic teaching. We believe that we are saved by grace, through faith. It is a free gift. We receive the gift in baptism, where we are born again by water and spirit and sealed with the promised holy spirit. It is possible for a person who has, in this way, been made a partaker of His grace, to spurn the Spirit through sin and rejection of the grace that bought him.
Jesus is not a partial payment for your salvation, it has been paid in full. If you accept His full payment, only then can you follow Him with your heart and do the good deeds. You cannot do them with the idea the He will find favor on you, only out of love for Him and fellow men. Good deeds done for anyother reason is selfish(filthy rags.)
If you think this is Catholic Teaching, then you are mistaken.
To say that there is not a moment in which salvation becomes a reality contradicts scripture.
I am not sure what you reallly mean by this. Jesus paid the price of our sins on the cross. However, not everyone takes advantage of the free gift that is offered. Salvation brought to all by His sacrifice does not become a reality for those who reject it.
 
twb1621;4540054:
Common now HankZ,
What is your definition of;
“…eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works”
Sorry, for the late response, I haven’t been on that much the last couple days.
sorrow because it offends God, for having done something wrong, together with the resolve to amend one’s conduct by taking the necessary means to avoid the occasions of sin. To repent is to be sorry for sin with self-condemnation.

I am still asking of you What is your definition of;
“…eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works”
 
I’m not sure what you are asking me to do. What I am doing is showing you the scriptures that teach that we are saved by faith and that works follow as a sign that genuine new life sprung up when the person received eternal life by faith. Do you want me to quote someone on this?
This regarded the issue of Faith and Works together
Actually, if you are staying with the following response from the other thread you already answered the quoted question;

You responded
Originally Posted by Martin777
“I really do appreciate all those verses. I thought I have been careful to make this point: I wholeheartedly embrace those verses and believe that our works will be examined on the last day. But my point is simply this: It is saving faith that gets us into God’s family. Happens in a moment in time (has it happened to you? not being sarcastic).”
TWB - "Absolutely, I have indeed been blessed…"
Martin777
“…THEN we spend the rest of our lives serving God and doing good works that please Him and glorify Him. On that last day it will be seen that those who were born again–now “in the Spirit” were the ones able to produce works that truly pass the scrutiny of a God who judges the ‘secret motives of men’s hearts’ PAUL SAYS IN ROMANS 8 THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN THE FLESH CANNOT PLEASE GOD. Yet millions who have never been saved (in all kninds of churches) are running around IN THE FLESH doing works that CANNOT PLEASE GOD.
It’s why God promised in the OT that He would one day put his law IN OUR HEARTS! Because apart from that we can do works until we are blue in the face and they are out of wrong motives. Please deal with what I have said here and tell me what you think…”

TWB Responded with this comment and question;
As I understand you here you are acknowledging both faith and works must accompany each other. That God will judge us on our works as according to our sincerity and devotion of heart. This is what we are trying to emphasize if my understanding of your words are correct here so we would now based on this premise be in agreement. That faith alone doesn’t save us but both together. Correct? Wouldn’t it?
 
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