This is like asking when the Roman Empire started. It didn’t just pop into existence out of nowhere. It evolved. That’s the problem. The Roman Catholic church has evolved far beyond what it should have.
**You’re both wrong. The Church was never meant to stay as it looked in the New Testament. **Precisely.
It is icrementalism. The story of cooking the frog slowly changing the water temperature little by littleso that you dont realize what is happening.
They are doing more than looking for conservative leadership, they denounced the Episcopal church for obvious reasons and left parishes with hundreds of thousands of dollars in endowment funds, left literally generations of family ties with Episcopal parishes, left memorial gardens with loved ones buried there and severed ties and relationships with lifelong friends and feloow Episcopalians to follow the Gospel and Christ. You obviously don’t understand the sacrifices that thousands of former Episcopalians have made in this country to leave the Episcopal church and join with African Anglican diocese or those of the Southern Cone of So. America. I was one of those that I speak of in Nov. 07’. I was there in those knock down drag out Vestry meetings that lasted way past midnight on work nights. I was ultimately one of the last two votes that severed what is now our new Anglican church from the Episcopal parish where we were. Generations aplenty literally walked out leaving a legacy and over $500,000 in endowment founds from their loved ones and so much more and my vote was a large part of our split. The heartache for so many of my fellow parishioners was unspeakable, but I would do it again if i had to because it was for Christ and for the Gospel. I take it very personally.You’re right of course and there are verying levels of Anglicanism for instance a lot of the americans are looking to the African communion for conservative leadership. Thomas Cranmer did however make a great case for Henry to divorse and institute Secular supremacy over the church in England. As well as adapting the first liturgy for the Church in England. I also suppose he’s responsible for the book of common prayers. I don’t think Thomas Cranmer is a better choice since he comes off as a manipulator.
The same person who said a good tree could not bring forth bad fruit.You’re both wrong. The Church was never meant to stay as it looked in the New Testament.
It grew - much like an acorn that grows into an oak.
Much like the mustard seed that grows into a very large plant and the birds come to nest in it.
Hmmmm, who said that?
Can you clarify this?Paul said it was OK for there to be differences, even in seemingly faith-based issues such as what is appropriate to eat or drink, or what days are held holy, etc. If you simply mean, “one in doctrine” on the basics, or salvation issues, then I’d ask you to define the basics.
I’m sorry you left so much. I’m sure it was a difficult choice but ultimately a better one than staying with the Episcopals. Good for you. But there seems in the UK anyway some liberalites with the Anglican Church there especially if you listen to the current Archbishop. Why not return to Rome?They are doing more than looking for conservative leadership, they denounced the Episcopal church for obvious reasons and left parishes with hundreds of thousands of dollars in endowment funds, left literally generations of family ties with Episcopal parishes, left memorial gardens with loved ones buried there and severed ties and relationships with lifelong friends and feloow Episcopalians to follow the Gospel and Christ. You obviously don’t understand the sacrifices that thousands of former Episcopalians have made in this country to leave the Episcopal church and join with African Anglican diocese or those of the Southern Cone of So. America. I was one of those that I speak of in Nov. 07’. I was there in those knock down drag out Vestry meetings that lasted way past midnight on work nights. I was ultimately one of the last two votes that severed what is now our new Anglican church from the Episcopal parish where we were. Generations aplenty literally walked out leaving a legacy and over $500,000 in endowment founds from their loved ones and so much more and my vote was a large part of our split. The heartache for so many of my fellow parishioners was unspeakable, but I would do it again if i had to because it was for Christ and for the Gospel. I take it very personally.
You’re absolutely right.The same person who said a good tree could not bring forth bad fruit.
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
No thank you. Through much prayer, I know that I am home.I’m sorry you left so much. I’m sure it was a difficult choice but ultimately a better one than staying with the Episcopals. Good for you. But there seems in the UK anyway some liberalites with the Anglican Church there especially if you listen to the current Archbishop. Why not return to Rome?
You know being Anglican you’re not that far from Rome. BTW why did Tony Blair become Catholic?No thank you. Through much prayer, I know that I am home.
Cranmer was most likely forced to become Archbishop of Canterbury, and we aren’t sure he was even a bishop before this!You’re right of course and there are verying levels of Anglicanism for instance a lot of the americans are looking to the African communion for conservative leadership. Thomas Cranmer did however make a great case for Henry to divorse and institute Secular supremacy over the church in England. As well as adapting the first liturgy for the Church in England. I also suppose he’s responsible for the book of common prayers. I don’t think Thomas Cranmer is a better choice since he comes off as a manipulator.
Because he always believed in catholicism, was a VERY high church anglican, his family were brought up catholic and he couldn’t convert in office because of his views on embryology and abortion. Sorry if that seems cynical, I can’t help it.You know being Anglican you’re not that far from Rome. BTW why did Tony Blair become Catholic?
So, does everything Jesus said to the Apostles apply to their successors? Obviously not. Otherwise, I’d be Catholic because the Pope would be running around raising people from the dead and healing sicknesses. I’ve never rejected any of the Apostles.You’re absolutely right.
He also said:
"Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." Luke 10:16
I wouldn’t rule it out as a political decision. Anglicans are not that far from Rome because they were never meant to be that far from Rome. Most of Catholicism and its practice can be traced right back to the Early Church as can Anglicanism.You know being Anglican you’re not that far from Rome. BTW why did Tony Blair become Catholic?
Certainly: a lot of bad fruit has come out of Rome.Can you clarify this?
You know, going by the literal translation of this verse – that any church which has produced any “bad fruit” must not be the true church – one would have to conclude that there is no true church.The same person who said a good tree could not bring forth bad fruit.
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
I thought he couldn’t convert because in his position he would be responsible for Anglican Appointments. He had to wait while he was out of office. Kind of like Charles II had to wait until he was dieing to become Catholic. But being High Anglican makes sense. See you’re not that far from Rome.Because he always believed in catholicism, was a VERY high church anglican, his family were brought up catholic and he couldn’t convert in office because of his views on embryology and abortion. Sorry if that seems cynical, I can’t help it.
As a theological conservative, I think Rev Williams is an honourable man, trying his best to keep the fragile communion together. He even for the sake of conpromise dropped many of the liberal views he had before his selection as archbishop. I hope by ‘archbishop’ you meant him as in England there are 2 archbishops, the other being John Sentamu, Archbishop of York.I’m sorry you left so much. I’m sure it was a difficult choice but ultimately a better one than staying with the Episcopals. Good for you. But there seems in the UK anyway some liberalites with the Anglican Church there especially if you listen to the current Archbishop. Why not return to Rome?
Even High Church anglicans can have evangelical theology.I thought he couldn’t convert because in his position he would be responsible for Anglican Appointments. He had to wait while he was out of office. Kind of like Charles II had to wait until he was dieing to become Catholic. But being High Anglican makes sense. See you’re not that far from Rome.
I’m not letting you off that easy, friend.Certainly: a lot of bad fruit has come out of Rome.
I’m asking you to clarify St. Paul’s words. Where does he say that we can have differences among ourselves? Show me. I’ll bet you can’t.Paul said it was OK for there to be differences, even in seemingly faith-based issues such as what is appropriate to eat or drink, or what days are held holy, etc. If you simply mean, “one in doctrine” on the basics, or salvation issues, then I’d ask you to define the basics.
Thats currently true but still wouldn’t it cause problems for a Prime Minister that is Catholic? I really don’t know.Even High Church anglicans can have evangelical theology.
There is no requirement for the Prime Minister to be Anglican. Gordon Brown is Church of Scotland, which is presbyterian.
Well seeing as presbyterians disagree with episcopal polity, it would be equal in my opinion.Thats currently true but still wouldn’t it cause problems for a Prime Minister that is Catholic? I really don’t know.