The catholic gospel is easy and different than non Catholics

[thanksgiving]

The catholic as defined by fr john harden

1 believe in the real presence
2 believe in Mary as the co Redeemer
3 believe what the pope says and the counsal of Trent
4 church on Sunday
5 confession of mortal sins
6 be good to people

Non catholic gospel is defined as
Romans 10:8-9-10

1 Believe and you will be saved
2 repentance and re- dedication
3 go to a bible based church
4 baptism of the holy spirit

 

[adamhovey1988]

Yeah, I’m not sure this is, I’m not sure what this is.

 

[pianistclare]

I think you’re throwing around the word “gospel” incorrectly.

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Thanksgiving!

What you’ve described is not the Gospel but the theological understanding…

Yes, they are different… the Catholic theology traces its origins to Christ through Apostolic Succession; non-Catholic theology is constantly being redefined by its leadership’s understanding of their founders and by addition/deletion of tenets and practices.

Depending upon the non-Catholic denomination (or non-denomination) they root their tenets of belief on one or several passages of Scriptures; the only clear point of congruence is that they must reject the Catholic Church as Christ’s only Founded Church and her Authority Delegate from Christ Himself.

Their understanding may go counter to Christ’s own Teaching but they somehow twist and bend enough to make it seem correct:

…your first tenet:

2:19 You believe in the one God – that is creditable enough, but the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear. (St. James)

Why is this being stated? Well lets look back at a time prior to Jesus’ Manifestation:

3:9 and do not presume to tell yourselves, “We have Abraham for our father”, because, I tell you, God can raise children for Abraham from these stones. (St. Matthew)

…presumption is a sin of pride; this is why Jesus Taught:

7:21 ‘It is not those who say to me, “Lord, Lord”, who will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the person who does the will of my Father in heaven. (St. Matthew)

It is not about knowing or claiming God/Jesus… it is about Obeying God/Jesus.

…as for points 2 thru 4; this also depends upon what is being understood… some groups hold no Sacraments at all, some 1 or 2… there are some proclaiming an invisible church (a place in the clouds where all that matters is being of like-minds [you know, talk about what is agreeable and put aside what is not held in common]); Bible base? What’s the definition? The one who hold Bible readings or who bring in the “best” preacher or who has a direct line to the most notable scholar/theologian or the one that does what the Bible states or… again, as numerous as the different tags are (over 30 thousand denominations worldwide, and counting) these definitions differ and run with each other.

So yeah, historical Apostolic Succession Church vs. reinvention of the wheel churches.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Tis_Bearself]

The “Gospels” are the four books of the Bible called Matthew, Matk, Luke and John, that each tell the Jesus story. The word “gospel” is not used by Catholics to refer to some teaching of the Church or a portion of scripture outside of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

 

[JimG]

Father John Hardon wrote a lot, but I doubt that he ever wrote that six item list. For an archive of his writings look here.

 

[adamhovey1988]

You know, I just noticed you didn’t provide a source

 

[De_Maria]

The catholic as defined by fr john harden

Fr. John Hardon is a great guy. And all his points are good. But we follow Christ. And His Gospel can be reduced to the following:

Matthew 22:36-40New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)

36 “Teacher,[a] which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 He said to him, “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it:[c] You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 [d]The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

Non catholic gospel is defined as
Romans 10:8-9-10

1 Believe and you will be saved
2 repentance and re- dedication
3 go to a bible based church
4 baptism of the holy spirit

Actually, only #1 is in Rom 10:8-10. But you are right. Many Protestants cast out the rest of the Bible and live by that verse.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

gospel translated from language of biblical times means Good News

do you mean The Good News that Jesus taught. Jesus first used these terms.

or do you mean the four books of Gospel. Those books record the life , teaching, activities and Passion, of Jesus.

 

[NoelFitz]

The catholic as defined by fr john harden

1 believe in the real presence

2 believe in Mary as the co Redeemer

3 believe what the pope says and the counsal of Trent

4 church on Sunday

5 confession of mortal sins

6 be good to people

Non catholic gospel is defined as

Romans 10:8-9-10

1 Believe and you will be saved

2 repentance and re- dedication

3 go to a bible based church

4 baptism of the holy spirit

Thanksgiving

You do not seem to have met with great support.

To be a Catholic do I have to get full marks?

1. Some Protestants believe in the real presence.
2. The Church does not teach Mary is co Redeemer. This opinion is not dogma.
3. Catholics do not have to believe everything the Pope says
4. Some Protestants go to church on Sunday
5. I agree with you on this one, Catholics should confess mortal sins
6. Some non-Catholics are good to people

I go to a bible based Church, which believes in Dei Verbum. It believes the source of revelation is the Bible as interpreted by the Church.

Poor Fr Harden, I think he is being misinterpreted.

 

[po18guy]

Here are the 5 precepts of the Catholic Church:
1.You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation.
2.You shall confess your sins at least once a year.
3.You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least once during the Easter season.
4.You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church.
5.You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.

The above are predicated on faith, water baptism, reception of the Holy Spirit at the laying on of hands (“Confirmation”). As to your “non-catholic gospel” - whose definition is this? Jesus did not give any such definition. He did not mention any scripture as part of His Church, let alone a “sole rule” of faith. Man came up with that.

 

[Todd_Easton]

I wouldn’t really call the 5 precepts of the Church the Catholic Gospel. They are more like church laws created by pastoral authorities to ensure Catholics make a minimum amount of spiritual progress. A better expression of the Catholic Gospel can be found in the creeds of the Catholic Church, such as the Apostles Creed, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, or, my favorite, the creed found in Pope Paul IV’s 1968 Apostolic Letter, Credo of the People of God.

 

[Wesrock]

The Catholic gospel is simple:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)

That is our gospel. What this means and how we live it is where we differ from some of our Protestant brethren.

 

[po18guy]

Quite true. The premise of the OP is not quite right. He or she seems to believe that some number of rules must be followed as part of the Gospel, or that those rules are the Gospel. Nothing could be further from the truth. The precepts are a minimum requirement for how we follow the Gospel of Christ. A bare minimum, with the practical maximum human-level being defined for us by the great mystics of the faith.

 

[po18guy]

Another hit-and-run artist? We seem to have had a group of those recently.

Notice how he or she defines the “Gospel” according to man-made standards? And, not ancient standards, but 19th or 20 century standards?

Where did Jesus teach that we must attend a “bible-based” church?

Nonsense!

 

[PaulfromIowa]

The catholic as defined by fr john harden

1 believe in the real presence

2 believe in Mary as the co Redeemer

3 believe what the pope says and the counsal of Trent

4 church on Sunday

5 confession of mortal sins

6 be good to people

1. Of course we believe the Gospel teaching of Christ’s Last Supper.
2. Not the teaching of the Church.
3. Not the teaching of the Church. We follow the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church.
4. Of course, as the Bible teaches.
5. Of course, as the Bible teaches.
6. Of course, as the Bible teaches. See the Golden Rule.

 

[SnoopSword]

Depending upon the non-Catholic denomination (or non-denomination) they root their tenets of belief on one or several passages of Scriptures;

Actualy I used to believe this also. What you are describing are Anabaptists (essentially they are the 40,000 sects mainly in America and run Church as a financial enterprise. They all have one thing in common and always have - they REJECT the Creeds of the Faith).

Protestants however accept the Creeds of Faith. The Protestant definition of Sola Scriptura is NOT what we hear bantered around in modern times.

The Protestants actually have vestments, churches, alters, stainglass windows, baptism, communion, confession, and are even technically still tied to religious monarchies. They accept all the major creeds of Faith. They even believe in Apostolic succession. It’s quite amazing.

But I must say, there is a THIRD PARTY. Largely which was cast away to America from europe. These are called Anabaptists. Today they are the 40,000 sects. These are BUSINESSES - not a priesthood/jurisdiction in a state of Protest or were EVER part of the reformation.

They Missionize Catholics aggressively worldwide and call our Church of Satan.They re-baptise them in their pagan ritual and act as wolves stealing the sheep. Protestants dont do this, American Calvinists have ZERO to do with the reformation. They are simply another flavor of Anabaptists pretending to be Protestants.

Did you know that Pentecostal water Baptisms or otherwise are not accepted by the Church as valid baptisms? Along with a long list of Anabaptist Churches that eventually fall nto the 40,000 sects. Thats how serious this is. It was Mormonism that forced the the Church to take action. Just claiming trinity isnt good enough anymore because their understanding of God is too far removed for orthodoxy, Our country allows them religious freedom for this reason.

 

[SnoopSword]

Not the teaching of the Church.

Actually, my wife agreed with co-redeemer/redemtrix just by using simple logic.

You must ask. Did Jesus NEED to be crucified for our salvation?

Did Jesus NEED to be circumcised for our salvation?

But did Jesus NEED Mary for our salvation?

Thats something to ponder.

And it’s also why trying to read the Scipture alone for this kinds of answers is WAY OUTSIDE the pay grade of even the most sophisticated Bible reader. Those who tried, became Anabaptists and fell away from Christianty. Scripture has a safe-guard built into it for those who dare to understand it without the Church guiding - it will literally… no… they will cause themselves to be cursed.

Remember, Satan tried to kill Jesus by using Scripture.

Scripture and spiritual temptation is the GREATEST tool tool Satan uses to pull Christians away from the Church. Its probably the TRUE reason the Church (even Protestants) have not been overjoyed to have kayity just reading the Bible. As soon as the Bible got in public hands, instantly a new religion was formed - Anabaptism. The religion of the Bible and ‘LOCAL LODGE’… rappidly splitting and splitting since its conception. Never any unity. Just the ego and induvidual self. The man. The false trinity of 666 - the beast.

 

[po18guy]

From the Modern Catholic Dictionary, by Fr. John Hardon, S.J. (R.I.P.):

EVANGELIUM. The Good News, the Gospel. In the Latin Vulgate it often
means the New Testament, either as distinct from the Old Testament books of
the Bible, or the whole New Covenant of God with His People.

GOSPEL. One of the four authentic accounts of the life, death, and resurrection
of Jesus, which the Church teaches have been divinely inspired. They are the
Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Several stages in the use
of the term “Gospel” may be distinguished. In the Old Testament are predictions
of the Messianic “Good News of Salvation” (Isaiah 40:9, 41:27, 61:1). The Gospels
themselves speak of the “Good News” from the angelic message at Bethlehem (Luke
2:10) to the final commission to the Apostles (Mark 16:15). Beyond the four
narratives of the Evangelists the entire New Testament speaks at length, in
detail, and with a variety of nuances of the “Gospel of Jesus Christ.” Prior
to the original, inspired Gospels there was an “Oral Gospel,” or tradition,
on which the written narratives were based. And after the canonical Gospels
were produced, numerous counterfeit Gospels were also written. There is record
of twenty-one such apocryphal Gospels. (Etym. Anglo-Saxon gōdspel:
god, good + spel, tale.)

If all would only seek to understand the faith Christ transmitted to mankind via His Church, there would be unity rather than division; agreement rather than contention; illumination rather than ignorance; love rather than envy or hatred.

 

[jcrichton]

Protestants however accept the Creeds of Faith. The Protestant definition of Sola Scriptura is NOT what we hear bantered around in modern times.

The Protestants actually have vestments, churches, alters, stainglass windows, baptism, communion, confession, and are even technically still tied to religious monarchies. They accept all the major creeds of Faith. They even believe in Apostolic succession. It’s quite amazing.

Hi!

Thank you for the information; my understanding of non-Catholics is limited to my exposure to the various entities in the NYC tri-state area…

So if their definition of sola Scriptura is not what is being termed today and they believe in Apostolic Succession, why are they still separated?

Maran atha!

Angel