The Child Molester Scandal That Isn't: What the MSM Doesn't Report

[JReducation]

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different conditions. The reason that many pedophiles prey on members of the same sex is because it is easier. Pederast is another condition related to pedophilia, not to homosexuality.

We cannot blame pedophilia on Vatican II since most of the allegations go back to the 1950s, before Vatican II. Just look at the report on Ireland.

As far as homosexuals are concerned, the Church has said that those who have deep seated homosexual tendencies are excluded from being priests and brothers. But deep seated has been explained as those who identify themselves as homosexuals. When a person says, “I’m gay.” They are subscribing to a form of behavior and a sub-culture that promotes and justifies that behavior. This is deep-seated.

When a person says that he or she has same-sex attractions, but does not identify with the gay culture and has not acted on those attractions, there is not bar from entering religious life or priesthood. That’s a celibate person who is tempted like everyone else is tempted. Psychologist may say that this person is homosexual, because he has same-sex attraction, but not because he is part of this culture.

I try to say this way. There is a big difference between someone who has a short-temper and keeps it under control, even if has to put a lot of effort into it AND someone who is explosive and means when they explode. The first person can live in community, but it’s going to be a challenge. The second person cannot live in community, because he exercises no self-control.

I don’t know if that helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[CDNowak]

Just playing devil’s advocate: given the fact that the majority of the abuse involve adolescent males (contrary to national statistics for child abuse) it is reasonable to question the difference in psychology between pedophiles, ephebophiles, and homosexuals. Is it degree or kind?

 

[JReducation]

Just playing devil’s advocate: given the fact that the majority of the abuse involve adolescent males (contrary to national statistics for child abuse) it is reasonable to question the difference in psychology between pedophiles, ephebophiles, and homosexuals. Is it degree or kind?

Homosexual men are not sexually attracted to boys, of any age. They have all of the adult emotional baggage, if you will. An adult who is sexually attracted to a teen or child, does not have all of his emotional baggage well wrapped. Therefore, the issue is not about homosexuality, but about an adult with an intantile sexuality. The gender is not of consequence. These adults will go after the person who is easiest for them to befriend. That is usually a person of the same gender, because it’s more common for teen boys to hang out and do all the things that guys do with male adults. But there are cases of male coaches who prey on their female teens. When a person’s sexual development is so arrested, their other affects are usually just as troubled. It’s not any surprise that they act irresponsibly. It doesn’t make it right. It’s just not a surprise to the mental health community.

So to answer the last question on your post, sexual exploitation and abuse of minors is not on a continuum with homosexuality. It’s not a degree or kind of homosexuality. People with same-sex attraction can have very mature relationships with teens and children.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[CDNowak]

So to answer the last question on your post, sexual exploitation and abuse of minors is not on a continuum with homosexuality. It’s not a degree or kind of homosexuality. People with same-sex attraction can have very mature relationships with teens and children.

As I said before, playing Devil’s Advocate.

From what little I can find of the research on ephebophillia (partly because it seem little research has been done on it), it is not usually considered a mental disorder on its own, unlike pedophilia.

Many notable cases of historic “homosexuality” (ranging from Greek and Roman practice to Oscar Wilde) would not be so considered, by the standard that ephebophilia is not a type of homosexuality. This however also ignore the more recent connection between the groups, as there were at least political ties between the radical “Gay Liberation” movements and their counterparts supporting ephebophilia (or even outright pedophilia).

Regardless, there is at least one study that proposes that there were two sexual abuse crises, one pedophiliac the other ephebophiliac, with significant differences between them. There is another study proposing the use of objective psychological tests to p(name removed by moderator)oint specifically ephebophiles.

 

[CDNowak]

My actual views

I don’t know whether there is a link between ephebophilia and homosexuality. There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence linking them, but no real research in the area. I do think this research **needs **to be done.

I think there is room to question, and that questions must be asked, including: how much is homosexuality sexual immaturity? (as a potentially biological condition, one that we could seek to develop a treatment for, or as a psychological condition which we can help people to live with like alcoholism).

 

[JReducation]

My actual views

I don’t know whether there is a link between ephebophilia and homosexuality. There is a good deal of circumstantial evidence linking them, but no real research in the area. I do think this research **needs **to be done.

I think there is room to question, and that questions must be asked, including: how much is homosexuality sexual immaturity? (as a potentially biological condition, one that we could seek to develop a treatment for, or as a psychological condition which we can help people to live with like alcoholism).

The whole epigenesis of homosexuality and the expression of it is very complex. I believe this is why the Church takes a very cautious position when it comes to priests and brothers by saying that those with “deep seated tendencies” may not enter rather than say those with same-sex attraction may not enter. As Fr. Benedict G. once said, “Only God knows how many saints had same-sex attractions. But every human being struggles with temptation.”

I try to stay clear of this debate on forums. I find that it burns a lot of my energy, resolves very little, answers very few questions, and it’s just killing time that can be better used. The only time that I get involved is when people don’t know what the Church teaches on the issue and how she arrives at her positions. That’s easy to explain. After you’ve explained it, it’s up to the other person to go with it or find their own explanation, if they believe that the one proposed by the Church is weak.

As you say, this is a topic for research. It’s not really for an internet forum, unless it is a site for researchers who are sharing findings and questions with their peers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[CDNowak]

The whole epigenesis of homosexuality and the expression of it is very complex. I believe this is why the Church takes a very cautious position when it comes to priests and brothers by saying that those with “deep seated tendencies” may not enter rather than say those with same-sex attraction may not enter. As Fr. Benedict G. once said, “Only God knows how many saints had same-sex attractions. But every human being struggles with temptation.”

I try to stay clear of this debate on forums. I find that it burns a lot of my energy, resolves very little, answers very few questions, and it’s just killing time that can be better used. The only time that I get involved is when people don’t know what the Church teaches on the issue and how she arrives at her positions. That’s easy to explain. After you’ve explained it, it’s up to the other person to go with it or find their own explanation, if they believe that the one proposed by the Church is weak.

As you say, this is a topic for research. It’s not really for an internet forum, unless it is a site for researchers who are sharing findings and questions with their peers.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

Absolutely agreed, and with that I make as graceful an exit from the thread as I can manage.

 

[Linda_Marie]

Sexual misconduct reports rife in schools

MORE than one NSW public school teacher a week is reported for sexual misconduct with students - ranging from inappropriate sexual comments to carrying on illicit affairs.

Documents obtained by The Sunday Telegraph under Freedom of Information laws reveal 151 teachers were investigated by the NSW Department of Education’s Child Protection Investigation Unit in the past two years.

Misconduct allegations were sustained in 26 cases, resulting in the sacking of 18 teachers, seven of whom were convicted of criminal charges in the courts.

It is far more likely that your child will be sexually abused by their public school teacher than by a priest and it is highly likely that the teacher has offended before and has just been transferred. Yet teachers and the Education Department are not vilified as a whole by the press the way priests and the Church are.

Here in Western Australia, about 4 years ago, a story broke about the WA Dept of Education and Training transferring teachers who had been reported for sexual abuse instead of firing them. The story died in the news within a couple days. An investigation was carried out and it was discovered that the schools had a culture of protecting their own, ie the teachers, over the students. Here is a link to the investigation’s report:

ccc.wa.gov.au/files/pubs/CCC_Sexual_Contact_Report_Complete.pdf

2.6 General Observations About the Case Studies
The case studies cover a number of aspects of DET’s response to the allegations
discussed and are not isolated examples of DET’s handling of sexual contact
matters. As the case studies demonstrate, DET’s handling of these matters has been
a problem over a number of years and has drawn criticism from other oversight
bodies. There has been no significant change in DET’s approach to such matters
despite internal structural changes to centralise complaint handling and reporting.
Chapter Three addresses these shortcomings in further detail.
<…>
DET’s inadequate response to sexual misconduct allegations has similarities to the
problems identified by the Wood Royal Commission in 1997 in the New South Wales
Department of School Education.
Of the New South Wales experience, Justice Wood found that “…by reasons of
inadequacies of their procedures, and lack of co-operation or joint focus, paedophiles
have very often been protected from investigation and prosecution…” He stated that
the agencies investigated by the Royal Commission shared similar beliefs:
• “…A disbelieving and disparaging attitude towards complainants, particularly
those in vulnerable positions;
• a disinclination to accept that any of its officers would engage in wrongful
conduct;
• a concern as to the possible scandal arising from the police or an external
agency being brought in to investigate the matter;
• a belief that it was better to ‘fix’ the problem from within; and on occasions
• a readiness to penalise an officer or employee who reported possible
misconduct by a fellow worker…”

The above report shows this culture alive and well in both the WA and NSW education departments. It wouldn’t be too much of a jump to think it exists in the other states as well. The respective Education Departments have been protecting child abusers, moving them around, and sweeping the abuse under the carpet, despite clear guidelines and laws about reporting abuse.

I disagree that teachers should be held to a lower standard than priests. Parents are trusting the welfare of their children to these people from the time they enter school. Their kids spend the best part of their day at school. Is it too much to expect that they won’t be raped by their teachers?

 

[LittleSoldier]

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two different conditions. The reason that many pedophiles prey on members of the same sex is because it is easier. Pederast is another condition related to pedophilia, not to homosexuality.

We cannot blame pedophilia on Vatican II since most of the allegations go back to the 1950s, before Vatican II. Just look at the report on Ireland.

As far as homosexuals are concerned, the Church has said that those who have deep seated homosexual tendencies are excluded from being priests and brothers. But deep seated has been explained as those who identify themselves as homosexuals. When a person says, “I’m gay.” They are subscribing to a form of behavior and a sub-culture that promotes and justifies that behavior. This is deep-seated.

When a person says that he or she has same-sex attractions, but does not identify with the gay culture and has not acted on those attractions, there is not bar from entering religious life or priesthood. That’s a celibate person who is tempted like everyone else is tempted. Psychologist may say that this person is homosexual, because he has same-sex attraction, but not because he is part of this culture.

I try to say this way. There is a big difference between someone who has a short-temper and keeps it under control, even if has to put a lot of effort into it AND someone who is explosive and means when they explode. The first person can live in community, but it’s going to be a challenge. The second person cannot live in community, because he exercises no self-control.

I don’t know if that helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

I don’t know if what you stated will help anyone else, but it certainly has helped me. Thank you.

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.

 

[Halo]

I think of the awful abuse of the little boys, both only 4 years old at the time, in the books “A Boy Called It” and “The End of the World as We Know It” perpetrated against them by their own parents. Sometimes I wish I’d never heard of these books and the movie Sybil. I find myself haunted by their graphic descriptions and feel exhausted when I think of how many more poor defenseless little children are being abused in their own homes today. God have Mercy on the innocent.

 

[maesoph]

Thanks for the info. I have a general question that I am sure is answered out there somewhere… Of every 1000 children molested, what percentage of them were molested by priests??? My guess is that this number is going to be pretty low. I know the biggest molester of children is their own parents / immediate family - somewhere around 80% - 90% - how sick is that?

 

[JReducation]

Regardless of who molests a child, whether it’s the pope or his nanny, the fact remains that it’s a heinous crime and grave sin against justice and the dignity of the person. No person, of any age, should be subject to being used by another, especially in this manner.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Halo]

Having read too much on this topic recently, I find myself asking if some new form of punishment needs to be exacted on these perpetrators. The incidence of re offending and the number of horrific, cruel and barbaric acts is mind blowing. My prayers for the innocents has increased dramatically. God Almighty rescue these little ones and remove these monstrous individuals from society. Roll on the chastisement we deserve it. The “James Bulger” case which has come up again, has stirred my feelings greatly. Pray for me.

 

[JReducation]

Having read too much on this topic recently, I find myself asking if some new form of punishment needs to be exacted on these perpetrators. The incidence of re offending and the number of horrific, cruel and barbaric acts is mind blowing. My prayers for the innocents has increased dramatically. God Almighty rescue these little ones and remove these monstrous individuals from society. Roll on the chastisement we deserve it. The “James Bulger” case which has come up again, has stirred my feelings greatly. Pray for me.

There are two things that have happened to children since the time of Adam.

1. Sexual molestation.
2. Physical abuse or even killilng.

Then you have people who combine the two. I think the two are different. But I can’t say that I have a good plan for rehabilitating these individuals. I wish I did.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Halo]

I guess I have just been in my own happy little world oblivious to the horrendous acts that are being committed against children on such a huge scale. I think I have always been aware of callousness and murder and thought sexual abuse happened only on a small scale, albeit molestation is more prevalent. The cases are staggering though, when you begin to research. This has got to stop. Isn’t this one of the sins “that cries out to heaven for vengeance”?