The Church Before Constantine

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I guess allischalmer was just fooling around, Oh what gullible people you are !
I figured that you were joking.

However, given some of the comments you have made in the past, your own gullibility regarding anything remotely anti-Catholic, and your obvious penchant for revisionist histories of the Church and Christianity, I, for one, could not be 100% sure.

People with a reputation for making incredible statements in earnest can’t make incredible statements in jest, can they?
 
I guess allischalmer was just fooling around, Oh what gullible people you are !
Okay. You got us!! So you admit the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Christ on Peter and that John the Baptist never established a Church nor led one???
 
I guess allischalmer was just fooling around, Oh what gullible people you are !
Well, it still stands: "
I have not yet seen al chalmers carry on any real converstations. All I’ve seen is posting false one line preposterous claims with no basis whatsoever. Never answers questions about these false claims and is utterly unable to defend them."
 
The church before Constatine was Baptist lead by John the Baptist
now that is very funny:thumbsup: I am going to tell some of my Baptist friends that line, I have never heard that before, and I have heard a lot.
 
Well, it still stands: "
I have not yet seen al chalmers carry on any real converstations. All I’ve seen is posting false one line preposterous claims with no basis whatsoever. Never answers questions about these false claims and is utterly unable to defend them."
You are right. He gives one liners without anything to support them and then he runs for cover.
 
The church before Constatine was Baptist lead by John the Baptist
this sounds just like Jehova’s witness who claims they have the Truth because they carry the only name of God which is Jehova.

John the Baptist neve claimed he was going to build a Church. did he?

the only way you are going to get it right is to humble yourself and accept what Jesus said.

:bowdown: :byzsoc:
 
The Emperor Constantine simply made Christianity and other religions legal… The Church already existed but because of 300 years of persecution by the Romans it had been forced underground. IN AD 313 Constantine issued the Edict of Milan which legalized Christianity and thus help the Church to flourish.

The "Edict of Milan " (313 A. D.)
“When I, Constantine Augustus, as well as I Licinius Augustus fortunately met near Mediolanurn (Milan), and were considering everything that pertained to the public welfare and security, we thought -, among other things which we saw would be for the good of many, those regulations pertaining to the reverence of the Divinity ought certainly to be made first, so that we might grant to the Christians and others full authority to observe that religion which each preferred; whence any Divinity whatsoever in the seat of the heavens may be propitious and kindly disposed to us and all who are placed under our rule And thus by this wholesome counsel and most upright provision we thought to arrange that no one whatsoever should be denied the opportunity to give his heart to the observance of the Christian religion, of that religion which he should think best for himself, so that the Supreme Deity, to whose worship we freely yield our hearts) may show in all things His usual favor and benevolence. Therefore, your Worship should know that it has pleased us to remove all conditions whatsoever, which were in the rescripts formerly given to you officially, concerning the Christians and now any one of these who wishes to observe Christian religion may do so freely and openly, without molestation. We thought it fit to commend these things most fully to your care that you may know that we have given to those Christians free and unrestricted opportunity of religious worship. When you see that this has been granted to them by us, your Worship will know that we have also conceded to other religions the right of open and free observance of their worship for the sake of the peace of our times, that each one may have the free opportunity to worship as he pleases ; this regulation is made we that we may not seem to detract from any dignity or any religion.
Moreover, in the case of the Christians especially we esteemed it best to order that if it happens anyone heretofore has bought from our treasury from anyone whatsoever, those places where they were previously accustomed to assemble, concerning which a certain decree had been made and a letter sent to you officially, the same shall be restored to the Christians without payment or any claim of recompense and without any kind of fraud or deception, Those, moreover, who have obtained the same by gift, are likewise to return them at once to the Christians. Besides, both those who have purchased and those who have secured them by gift, are to appeal to the vicar if they seek any recompense from our bounty, that they may be cared for through our clemency,. All this property ought to be delivered at once to the community of the Christians through your intercession, and without delay. And since these Christians are known to have possessed not only those places in which they were accustomed to assemble, but also other property, namely the churches, belonging to them as a corporation and not as individuals, all these things which we have included under the above law, you will order to be restored, without any hesitation or controversy at all, to these Christians, that is to say to the corporations and their conventicles: providing, of course, that the above arrangements be followed so that those who return the same without payment, as we have said, may hope for an indemnity from our bounty. In all these circumstances you ought to tender your most efficacious intervention to the community of the Christians, that our command may be carried into effect as quickly as possible, whereby, moreover, through our clemency, public order may be secured. Let this be done so that, as we have said above, Divine favor towards us, which, under the most important circumstances we have already experienced, may, for all time, preserve and prosper our successes together with the good of the state. Moreover, in order that the statement of this decree of our good will may come to the notice of all, this rescript, published by your decree, shall be announced everywhere and brought to the knowledge of all, so that the decree of this, our benevolence, cannot be concealed”
 
Well, it still stands: "
I have not yet seen al chalmers carry on any real converstations. All I’ve seen is posting false one line preposterous claims with no basis whatsoever. Never answers questions about these false claims and is utterly unable to defend them."
This is exactly what I’ve noticed, and not just on this thread.
 
What does one say to protestants who keep insisting that the Catholic Church began at the time of Constatine?
Substitute “random anti-Catholic statement” for the claim that the Church began with Constantine. We’re addressing what to say to a person whose entire faith system involves being not Catholic, rejecting Catholicism. If Catholicism with the authoritative Church built by Christ is true, then they have no reason to protest and be apart from us… and, they don’t. They’ll never let go of their falsehoods, until you show how their falsehoods are just that… not truth. We also need to share the truth of Christ and His Church for something true to grasp onto. The Church is like Noah’s Ark. If they realize the truth of being up their doctrinal creek without a paddle, then maybe they’ll seek the safety and security of the truth, with true doctrine and the beautiful Sacraments of Christ. If they’re a decent person seeking Christ, then they’ll care about this, even if it’s hard to accept at first. If not, then they’ll continue in their twisted beliefs, and there’s really nothing we can do about it, except pray. All of us inside and those outside the Church need prayers anyway.
 
What does one say to protestants who keep insisting that the Catholic Church began at the time of Constatine?
Ask them who started their churches and when. ask them when protestantism begun. who was martin luther, calvin and etc. ask them to name few heretics movement at the time of Constantine and then compare them to what they believe today. you get the idea.

you can up with more question.

Peace of Our Lord, the Christ.
 
Tell them you insist that the moon is made of green cheese.One absurdity deserves another:rolleyes:
 
Please remember-if we’re right,that means they’re wrong which is extremely threatening-hence all these ridiculous non historical assertions.Just check out Allis Chalmers post.Or posts attacking the Eucharist or Catholic devotion to Mary or is Peter Petros or petras,or the totally bald unbiblical and unsupported assertion on another thread that baptism does nothing.In other words pick any Catholic dogma,devotion,sacrament or ANYTHING Catholic for that matter and it will be attacked,MUST be attacked because and I repeat,if we’re right THEY"RE WRONG.I think that in their heart of hearts they do suspect they’re wrong and that is why some of the attacks and reasoning are so ludicrously convoluted and verge on the hysterical.
 
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