The Church Collaborates in Its Own Destruction

[VanitasVanitatum]

If the Spaniards are guests and they start taking over the land then they have a physical high ground that makes it hard for the Indians to be more guilty.

The Spanish were in charge after some period, so they did have more power over the Indians than then Indians had over them.

Now @VanitasVanitatum continuing along the racial (or at least “blood”) lines (not changing the basis for this alleged systemic oppression based upon race (or if you want to call it “blood” fine) . . . . .

Then it is just a misunderstanding then, nevermind.

 

[Cathoholic]

The Saint Junipero Serra statue was toppled in downtown L.A.

@vsedriver’s response was (here) . .

So some statues are damaged or removed. Who really cares?

My reply to that is . . . . I care.

Then I alluded to the Prophet Daniel (a story we are all familiar with where the Sacred Temple Vessels were profaned and God’s retribution was brought down upon the Babylonian King for doing this).

I also pointed out that even the destruction of sacred things is a sacrilege.

I backed it up from the CCC . . . .

CCC 2120 Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions,
as well as persons, THINGS, or places consecrated to God.
Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us.52

Emphasis added mine.

vsedriver CHANGED my premise (the fallacy of equivocation) pretending by implication as though I said the statue was God.

Here was vsedriver’s spoof . . . .

God doesn’t dwell in our statues. It’s a statue.

vsedriver. I would suggest your problem is not with me and my reply so much as it is with the Church’s teachings which I cited.

Like I said. I care it was sacrilege. (The pagan Babylonians were not given a pass. Why do you think there is an exception here?)

I never said damaging statues was OK.

You rhetorically asked “who really cares”?

Here it is again.

So some statues are damaged or removed. Who really cares?

To the readers here. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Cathoholic]

VanitasVanitatum . . .

Then it is just a misunderstanding then, nevermind.

Fair enough.

 

[MikeInVA]

I’m saying that the colonization of the Americas was oppressive. There is no doubt that it was.

I don’t think there is a single nation in existence today, or ever, that did not become a nation by subjugating others in the process. Maybe you have some examples? The United States is far from perfect, but it is arguably man’s highest achievement in human governance.

 

[Cathoholic]

Cathoholic . . .

Why are you implicitly accusing Latinos of systemic racism against Mexican Indians (who are almost always of mixed blood).

Correction to reflect more clearly what I meant . . .

Why are you implicitly accusing Latinos (who are almost always of mixed blood - Spanish and Mexican Indian in the case of contemporary Mexican people) of systemic racism against Mexican Indians?