Good to have k2 back, eh?? Alot more interesting at least.
This is MAJORLY MISLEADING. They are only interested in priestly/religious SEX abuse. All other types of abuse are not as important. Unless its is sexual, their departments are really useless.
I know of a guy who was sexually abused by a homosexual male when he was 6 or 7 years old… It does happen.
It just dawned on my though, that given this problem occurred throughout the country, apparently in other countries as well, it had to be somehow cultural rather than a small aberrant group in a particular diocese. I understand the Church is spending a million dollars trying to find the source of the scandal. Since the behavior spiked at a particular time, it had to reflect the kind of men who were coming out of the seminaries then.Good to have k2 back, eh?? Alot more interesting at least.
Those in power (clergy) conned their subordinates (whether by age or organizational), minors in to sexual contact (statutory rape, by lawful definition, regardless of “consent”). And they conned them into homosexual acts (which, if you are a faithful Catholic, think such acts are a MAJOR sexual abuse).
And the kind of catechesis in seminaries as well.
My theory is that these men (with homosexual desires) wanted to a) serve and protect the weak and downtrodden not necessarily Him(Christ and THE Church, ALL His comandments, not just “to love”), b) escape their sexualized lifestyle by being “held” to a promise of celibacy,(which they tried, but couldn’t keep) or c) what better place to help the weak and disenfranchased and continue gay sex but in an all-male fraternity???
Yes, all this and heaven too! You are right, what better environment for a homosexual male to aovid those “when is a nice boy like you getting married?” questions. Plus all the fancy clothes, the ceremonial aspects and the admiration had to be appealing.
I agree with cultural, but it probably was familiar in other countries, just handled differently. The 60’s led to a cultural change including in the church which made moral relative. It is true that Christ wants all to go to heaven, but He does not forgive as easily as the un-orthidox teachings profess. Every Sunday we are taught that Jeusu forgives us. The next sentence is always omitted…“GO AND SIN NO MOTE”…
This is just a cultural stigma, as people in other parts of the world consider a “post-pubescnet” person to be an adult, and at other historical era’s post-pubescent males and female were considered adults. I hate the terms hebophile and ephebophile, as it relies on cultural determination of age of consent, rather than a natural law understanding of adulthood.
I don’t think we need to use the wierd terminology but I do believe it is important to portray the priest abuse scandal for what it was, predatory homosexuals who used their power to prey upon minors. not just small children. A true pedophile has a different profile than a predatory homosexual. They focus on very young children and the mind set is all on the innocence and purity of the young child as their ideal sex partner. Further, although homosexuals are overrepresented amongst true pedophiles, if this were a PEDOPHILE problem, the priests would have been more likely to prey upon little girls than boys. That the victims were almost all male says it all. This is a homosexual scandal.
I absolutely agree with you, Snoop. A vow of celibacy and a vow of chastity was taken by these men and women of religious orders and of the priesthood. to violate those orders, as well as violate the law is to sin against Him and the law.
This is illogical. There are any number of medical disorders that we can know of, yet never suffer from them. Are you saying same sex attraction is so unique that one may not know the various etiologies, or social factors, or genetic predispostions, or therapies available?
Just what I said…
Anything that has to do with the topic of homosexuality is so politically charged these days that many have lost all sense of proportion. It is a sacred cow thanks to the “gay” activists and other professional agitators.
True but if you look at the MSM they have perpetuated the ‘pedophelia’ myth thereby making the predatory priests seem even more evil.
True, it is about men who were not fit to be priests. I am sure there are sinful priests who indulge in other transgressions, but in reality nothing has cost the Church so much as this group of homosexuals. Also the reality is that the homosexual subculture was PROTECTED and PROMOTED within our own Church. Homoexuals protected their own kind and allowed them to engage in this behavior.
How do you know? Unfortunately the statistics do not bear this out. The homosexual community is known for incredible excesses in promiscuity, anonymous sexual encounters, and a higher likelihood of engaging in predatory behavior.
I don’t see scorn in conjunction with repentant sinners who are trying to overcome their problems. I do see scorn for those who refuse to acknowledge reality or refuse to give up their perverted activities.
And no one said it was about every homosexual did they?
I don’t think the coverup was a homosexual agenda item, more that it was a result of the Church believing that such things should be handled internally and everyone would be better off. The “conspiracy” was more something that was within a parish, a seminary or a diocese. If we are to believe the book “Goodbye Good Men” particularly in the seminaries, orthodox heterosexuals were either rejected as ‘rigid’ or harrassed out of the seminary once inside.
I’ve said the same thing many times and totally agree. This is the reason I have defended Cardinal Law among others. I think they truly believed that their brother priests were cured or that moving them out of a situation, away from the young man they might be preying upon, would also remove the desires to engage in homosexual activity. Unfortunately with hindsight we’ve seen to our dismay that sexual perversion is extremely hard to cure.
I agree that these cases should have been treated differently. But again the whole concept was so unbelievable that it is not a big surprise to me that many of these accusations were ignored or dismissed. I’ve shared previously that I was fondled by my dentist of all people. I was ashamed to admit it at first, thinking it must be my imigaination. I finally confided in my sister who’d had the SAME experience. We went to our parents who told us we were imagining things…How much LESS believable in days past would the idea of a priest molesting a young man? It just was not something that was on our radar screens at the time. Had a young girl made the same accusations, I suspect it would have been taken more seriously.
Yes. I don’t think that there is a theory that the entire Church, including the Pope, was engaged in a coverup so the Lavender Mafia could run rampant. I do think there may have been a period of time when previously closeted homosexuals were able to exact more influence, particularly at the seminary level.I dunno, gang. I don’t say people are wrong about this or right - I just think there is more to be considered. Like when we read the Scripture, we must look at history through a lens that allows us to be aware of the times in which actions were taken, not simply judge those actions by knowledge and beliefs we share NOW.
Does that make sense?