The Crisis in the Catholic Church

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i have never read or heard anything from our Holy Father that has declared adultery is not a sin; or, that receiving Holy Communion unworthily is not a sin; or, that sexual activity outside of a valid marriage is not a sin.

so, i am interested in reading where the Holy Father made such declarations. in addition, his declarations changing what is a sin in any other area would also be welcome.

without question, amoris laetitia does not contain any teaching abolishing as sinful actions actions that the Church had previously declared sinful actions.

so, i am not sure where the origins of the charge that the Holy Father has declared sinful actions are determined by the situations in which they occur. there is no such declaration in amoris laetitia. of that, i am certain.
 
who determines when a conversation is constructive (am i correct to understand that by constructive you mean beneficial to both or all parties in the conversation)?
 
Like I said in the post - there are some that turn their back to the elephant in the room - my opinion only - perhaps I am wrong but it what I believe.
 
You are now my favourite poster for using ‘begging the question’ accurately. 😃
 
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without question, amoris laetitia does not contain any teaching abolishing as sinful actions actions that the Church had previously declared sinful actions.
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of course it doesn’t abolish them - it just gives the person the wiggle room to convince themselves that the sin they committed last month is no longer a sin because of their situation or circumstances. Sounds like situation ethics to me - perhaps with a twist but that doesn’t change what it is.
 
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I think that honoring and respecting the Pope is an important part of Catholic spirituality.

I agree we should always be working on ourselves first and not judging others

I don’t see anything wrong with respectfully disagreeing with a Pope’s behavior.

I don’t know that there’s anything wrong with the questions put to the Holy Father by Cardinal Burke, etc.

www.ncregister.com

Full Text and Explanatory Notes of Cardinals’ Questions on ‘Amoris Laetitia’

The full documentation relating to the cardinals’ initiative, entitled ‘Seeking Clarity: A Plea to Untie the Knots in Amoris Laetitia.’
www.ncregister.com www.ncregister.com

I think they need to be answered (unless they already have been, and I missed it)

Since Mary is our way to Jesus, and is, after Christ, the foundation of the Church (as Pope Pius X said I think), I think that the root problem in the Church is declined devotion to Mary.
 
Then let me give an example of how this article twists truth. From the article:
The Pope’s new teaching gives a person the flexibility to determine, which could be with the help of a priest, whether or not they committed a sin when they consider their circumstances and situation. Cardinal Cupich calls this “discerning truth”.
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No, he did not. That is not what he used discernment for. I spent a few minutes chasing down the sloppy journalism of LifeSiteNews (hint: when snippet quotes are pasted together, someone is trying to deceive you) Here is what was actually said:
(in answer to what "adult spirituality means) It means being able to, in some way, realize that you have the grace by God to discern truth in your life in term of where the Lord is calling you to the next step.
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...a-is-a-call-for-an-adult-spirituality-where-w

Again, this is a general definition of adult spirituality. It is exactly what the catechism teaches about the primacy of conscience. Now, doesn’t that require an well-formed conscience? Exactly. That is why Cardinal Cupich is calling this an adult spirituality. Primacy of conscience is not situational ethics.
 
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you didn’t miss it - Cardinal Burke has spoken publicly about the need for a formal correction to be done soon if the dubia receives no response. I agree with you about Mother Mary - it’s a piety - she can be so helpful.
 
It’s not surprising to me if we make excuses for ourselves–even about basic morality–when we aren’t leaning on our Mother of Mercy, who teaches us about Chris’t’s Infinite Mercy.

However one interprets the Pope’s teaching about irregular marriages and Communion, the Church clearly is in moral and spiritual crisis right now.

As I recall, even back in the 70s Pope JPII said we are facing the final confontation between the Church and the anti-church, Christ and the antichrist.

We need to reach out to our Mother, especially through the Rosary.
 
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From your article:
Cardinal Cupich’s statement, however well-intentioned, is a worrisome summary of present day Catholic relativism.
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I wouldn’t worry too much about some guy engaging in name-calling. That response is absolutely terrible, appealing only to one who already agrees and wants some good rhetoric to help keep his anger burning. I have seen few blogs with more loaded words. It is a great example of how to write an emotion-based argument.
 
I don’t have a problem with Cardinal Burke or any other bishop asking questions of a Pope as long as it’s done with respect and the asker is not looking to start a schism or other discord if he either doesn’t get an answer or doesn’t get the answer he wants.

I do have a problem with every Tom, Dick and Harry who’s not a priest chiming in on the issue in an extreme way. I’ve disagreed over the years with a number of things Popes have done. I have not seen this disagreement as a big crisis though.
 
your response is typical - don’t respond to what he said but attack the person speaking - old as the hills -
 
Cardinal Burke has been respectful. There are those who just want to bully him into silence because they want to use Pope Francis to carry an agenda.
 
I have to say, I never thought I’d live to see the day someone else would be concerned about all the excuse-making going on.
 
I agree with what you are saying. I think that schism is never okay. Heresy is never okay. Immorality is never okay.

I just wish the Holy Father would answer the questions because they seem like good questions.

And we are definitely living in more relativistic and heretical/heterodox times. So it’s good to be very clear about the Commandments, always in the context of Mary, Jesus’s Divine Mercy, Confession, and the Eucharist.

Unfortunately I think that some major moral and spiritual problems are being ignored.
 
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I think it’s both. The Church is unfailingly holy, but it seems to me that a very large percentage of Catholics have been largely secularized, practice immorality without repentance and Confession, dissent from Church teaching, and have little devotion to our Mother. I hope I’m wrong.
 
They are.

In the West the media, academia, entertainment, a good chunk of the tech industry and even government are waging open, full-thronged warfare on the family and children. Even atheists and skeptics are getting very nervous about this and there seems little urgency from the Church.
 
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