The danger of non-Catholic Bibles

[LilyM]

What’s funny about it? That a heretic would presume to take upon himself a right reserved exclusively to Catholic monarchs?

Somehow, I’m missing the humor.

The humour lies in the fact that James did a heck of a lot more than just ‘presume to take upon himself’ the concept.

He near as possible brought the concept into being single handedly, and certainly took it to heights undreamed of by any Catholic king, to the point where he nearly was a martyr to this ideology, and his son Charles I actually was. I would call it more of a Protestant concept than a Catholic one in fact.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

The humour lies in the fact that James did a heck of a lot more than just ‘presume to take upon himself’ the concept.

He near as possible brought the concept into being single handedly, and certainly took it to heights undreamed of by any Catholic king, to the point where he nearly was a martyr to this ideology, and his son Charles I actually was. I would call it more of a Protestant concept than a Catholic one in fact.

He was also gay. And according to my college history prof., he once pooped in his armor.

 

[LilyM]

He was also gay. And according to my college history prof., he once pooped in his armor.

Well he had eight or nine kids, so clearly he wasn’t utterly averse to intimacy with women … strong likelihood he was bi, though, for sure.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Well he had eight or nine kids, so clearly he wasn’t utterly averse to intimacy with women … strong likelihood he was bi, though, for sure.

Anyway, he was a bit of a character.

 

[John_Higgins]

KMXV:

You have me confused with someone else, obviously. I have never advocated anointing a Prince of the Church and Successor of the Apostles as a leader of our civic government.

Okay, you’re right, no prelates. Okay, how do you get this Catholic Shangri la to occur? And what if you got people like Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, or Giuliani?

Sorry, a Catholic divine right government if at best an anachronistic idea. At worst, I guess goofy could be the kindest thing to say.

John

 

[flightconn]

non-authorized translations of the Bible should be outlawed (and confiscated) - not that it will happen, given our anti-Christian politicians.

Let me understand this; are you suggesting our government should outlaw any version of the Bible that is not the Catholic Bible? Could this be true? Do you believe we should have a state religion?

If you think that’s harsh, then you have fallen for the sin of indifference.

I am not indifferent, I just don’t think that is the job of a democratic government. It sounds to me like you are in favor of a state mandated religion, God forbid they should choose Baptist and outlaw the Catholic Bible

There’s a reason the Church was adamantly opposed unauthorized translations all of those years, and why she refuses to allow just ANY translation to be read as Scripture.

Once you agree that the “King James” version of the Bible is fine, then you are just mere steps away from agreeing with the heresy of Sola Scriptura.]

Just out of curiosity (I don’t know the answer to this), of the books of the bible that both the Catholic Bible and the King James have in common, can you name a contradiction?

 

[flightconn]

Nor is there any appreciable risk in entering a room filled with nerve gas - provided one takes all the reasonable precautions, for example by donning a full chemical exposure suit and bringing your own supply of oxygen to breathe.

But why do it if you don’t have to?

This is such a bunch of Bunk - I was protestant, I became a Catholic a few years ago because I felt that is where the lord was calling me to serve for many reasons. I feel I have moved closer to God and becoming a Catholic was part of that. I was let to the Lord by reading the KJV. In my search to become closer to God I became a Catholic. I came to this site looking to understand more about the Catholic faith. I can honestly say had I came upon this site prior to becoming a Catholic and seen the harshness and lack of love exuded by many on this blog, I would never have found my way inside a Catholic Church.

As I said, I am new and I could be wrong about this, but doesn’t the Pope recognize many protestants as Christian? They recognized my baptism as a baby in the Methodist Church as my “one Baptism for the Forgiveness of Sins.” How could this possibly happen if the Methodist church is from the pit of hell as so many here would lead to believe?

I do not believe I am anymore Christian now than I was as a Protestant (one is either a Christian or they are not, I don’t believe in sort of Christian). I do, however, feel closer to God.

Mike

 

[tcraig]

I was protestant, I became a Catholic a few years ago because I felt that is where the lord was calling me to serve for many reasons. I feel I have moved closer to God and becoming a Catholic was part of that. I was let to the Lord by reading the KJV. In my search to become closer to God I became a Catholic.

I’m a former protestant, also, and I came to the Catholic faith in part through my reading of the KJV Bible.

Isn’t it funny how that Bible not only didn’t destroy my faith and lead me to indifferentism, but actually helped me become Catholic?

I swear, sometimes reading what many trads write/think makes me feel like I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole.

 

[flightconn]

I’m a former protestant, also, and I came to the Catholic faith in part through my reading of the KJV Bible.

Isn’t it funny how that Bible not only didn’t destroy my faith and lead me to indifferentism, but actually helped me become Catholic?

I swear, sometimes reading what many trads write/think makes me feel like I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole.

I don’t think they are traditionalists, [edited by Moderator] [with] their hard line approach. [Edited by Moderator]

I’m sure my Bishop is a traditionalists and I got to know him pretty well during RCIA (I had a lot of hard questions and he actually appreciated them) and he is NOTHING like these so called traditionalists. I don’t believe they are traditionalists at all, I call them Catholic Extremists. Similar in their own way to other extremists groups on the fringes of a religion.

 

[CatholicNick]

I don’t think they are traditionalists, I think they are nuts, kooks, over the top people who doubt their own spiritualism and attempt to overcome this weakness through their hard line approach. Very typical response to feelings of inadaquacy.

I’m sure my Bishop is a traditionalists and I got to know him pretty well during RCIA (I had a lot of hard questions and he actually appreciated them) and he is NOTHING like these so called traditionalists. I don’t believe they are traditionalists at all, I call them Catholic Extremists. Similar in their own way to other extremists groups on the fringes of a religion.

How charitable of you.

 

[flightconn]

I’m a former protestant, also, and I came to the Catholic faith in part through my reading of the KJV Bible.

Isn’t it funny how that Bible not only didn’t destroy my faith and lead me to indifferentism, but actually helped me become Catholic?

I swear, sometimes reading what many trads write/think makes me feel like I’ve fallen down the rabbit hole.

Does anyone know of a website I can go to where I can ask some serious hard questions about the Catholic Church with out being blasted by these extremists?

I am 54, became a Christian at 17 and a Catholic at 51 and I am still working through some of the differences in my own mind and heart and I was hoping this would be a place where I could find knowledgeable, loving brothers and sisters that won’t take offence to the fact that I am having a hard time reconciling some things in my heart.

I know, after reading here, that without a doubt I would be blasted by extremists if I said something like (just a for instance here) “I have a hard time understanding the prominence of Mary in the Catholic Church.” If that were a question of mine, it sure would be nice to find a loving brother or sister in Christ who would take me under their wing and help me understand this.

 

[cpayne]

Does anyone know of a website I can go to where I can ask some serious hard questions about the Catholic Church with out being blasted by these extremists?

I know, after reading here, that without a doubt I would be blasted by extremists if I said something like (just a for instance here) “I have a hard time understanding the prominence of Mary in the Catholic Church.” If that were a question of mine, it sure would be nice to find a loving brother or sister in Christ who would take me under their wing and help me understand this.

From my experience–this actually IS a very good website for any and all questions. You just have to understand in advance that, as with any group of Christians in any church, there is a broad spectrum represented here, with widely varying levels of understanding, charity, and so on. Like a cow, you’ve got to eat the hay and leave the sticks, as I’ve heard said.

 

[flightconn]

I’m sure my Bishop is a traditionalists and I got to know him pretty well during RCIA (I had a lot of hard questions and he actually appreciated them) and he is NOTHING like these so called traditionalists. I don’t believe they are traditionalists at all, I call them Catholic Extremists. Similar in their own way to other extremists groups on the fringes of a religion.

A little embarrassed here, having read other posts I guess my Bishop is not a traditionalist (I thought being a traditionalists would have more to do with ones faith than the type of Mass one thinks is correct).

I’m sure God would prefer we all sit like dumb sheep in a Mass that we don’t understand rather than being able to attend Mass and gain a deeper understanding of the Lord.

 

[ThereCanBeOnly1]

Some posters to these forums SERIOUSLY need to unclench!

I only read from an approved version of Holy Writ, but I will tell you this: when I was 11 years old, I ask for and received for Christmas the Children’s Living Bible (the Living Bible is pre-masticated oat-meal, so you can imagine the CHILDREN’S version). I read the thing straight through, sort of as a challenge to myself.

This Baptist child, reading what was essentially a Protestant interpretation, learned from that text that Peter was made the head of the Church, with the authority to bind and loose, that Christ gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins, that we were supposed to have bishops, and that the bread and wine really became Jesus. Holy Mother Church has nothing to fear from these books.

Further, the King James Bible, whether radical “traditionalists” wish to admit it or not, is a work of cultural and literary importance. It’s not authoritative, but it’s important in the cultural and literary development of the West. That’s not indifferntism, that’s a simple, pragmatic fact.

I have my great-grandfather’s KJV, marked with snuff stains from his sitting in his wheel-chair and pouring over it when he was no longer able to go to services. I’d like to see who’s going to attempt to confiscate it.

Please see post #12 and review the documented evidences throughout history. They are legitimate concerns. I agree with you that it’s not authoritative and it has played part in cultural and development of Western society. But we cannot ignore the the errors, oddities, mistranslations, and cultic inferences. And that it is what it is - King James Version (the title speaks for itself).

 

[ThereCanBeOnly1]

He was also gay. And according to my college history prof., he once pooped in his armor.

Excellent Point:thumbsup: Most elude this fact, that he was homosexual, when speaking about His Version of the Bible (KJV). I did not know about the armor detail. Interesting historical detail.

 

[Unfinished]

I know, after reading here, that without a doubt I would be blasted by extremists if I said something like (just a for instance here) “I have a hard time understanding the prominence of Mary in the Catholic Church.” If that were a question of mine, it sure would be nice to find a loving brother or sister in Christ who would take me under their wing and help me understand this.

Go into the Apologetics section of the forum if you have theological questions.

As with all forums, there are those who feel the need to attack everything someone says. And it isn’t just from the traditionalists, everyone does it and every forum has them.

This however, is by far the best Catholic forum I have ever encountered. Just learn to ignore the crazies.

 

[maurin]

Some posters to these forums SERIOUSLY need to unclench!

I only read from an approved version of Holy Writ, but I will tell you this: when I was 11 years old, I ask for and received for Christmas the Children’s Living Bible (the Living Bible is pre-masticated oat-meal, so you can imagine the CHILDREN’S version). I read the thing straight through, sort of as a challenge to myself.

This Baptist child, reading what was essentially a Protestant interpretation, learned from that text that Peter was made the head of the Church, with the authority to bind and loose, that Christ gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins, that we were supposed to have bishops, and that the bread and wine really became Jesus. Holy Mother Church has nothing to fear from these books.

Further, the King James Bible, whether radical “traditionalists” wish to admit it or not, is a work of cultural and literary importance. It’s not authoritative, but it’s important in the cultural and literary development of the West. That’s not indifferntism, that’s a simple, pragmatic fact.

I have my great-grandfather’s KJV, marked with snuff stains from his sitting in his wheel-chair and pouring over it when he was no longer able to go to services. I’d like to see who’s going to attempt to confiscate it.

you know, I am always quite fond of your posts, Kirk! Anyone comes at you to take your grandfather’s Bible, call me if you need help!

 

[maurin]

A little embarrassed here, having read other posts I guess my Bishop is not a traditionalist (I thought being a traditionalists would have more to do with ones faith than the type of Mass one thinks is correct).

I’m sure God would prefer we all sit like dumb sheep in a Mass that we don’t understand rather than being able to attend Mass and gain a deeper understanding of the Lord.

are you speaking for yourself or for all of us?

I am very happy that you have found your home and direction in the Ordinary Rite of the Mass!!! May you become who God created you to be!!!

Can you be happy for me that I found my home and dirction in the Extraordinary Rite of the Mass? I don’t sit l;ike some sub sheep in a Mass, that I DO understand. I have never had a deeper understanding of not only the Mass itself, but of our God, what He did for us–what we did to HIM.

Thank God Peter has given us both a choice, huh?

Your Very Happy Catholic Brother in Christ’s Most Sacred Heart,
maurin

 

[flightconn]

are you speaking for yourself or for all of us?

I am very happy that you have found your home and direction in the Ordinary Rite of the Mass!!! May you become who God created you to be!!!

Can you be happy for me that I found my home and dirction in the Extraordinary Rite of the Mass? ?

Your Very Happy Catholic Brother in Christ’s Most Sacred Heart,
maurin

I can be happy for you that you have found the place where you can best serve (and receive from) the Lord. My comments were directed more towards those who are saying there is no Mass if it is not TLM - to those I say bunk - Catholic extremist not much different in spirit than Islamic extremists.

You obviously feel you have found your place to serve, you don’t feel it is the ONLY place for anyone to serve and I am sorry if I have offended you. I just feel extremists in any regard are nothing short of dangerous. I hated to learn there are so many in the Catholic faith.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Please see post #12 and review the documented evidences throughout history. They are legitimate concerns. I agree with you that it’s not authoritative and it has played part in cultural and development of Western society. But we cannot ignore the the errors, oddities, mistranslations, and cultic inferences. And that it is what it is - King James Version (the title speaks for itself).

I clearly stated that it was not authoritative.