The disorder of homosexuality

[sedonaman]

… the APA recognized that homosexuality in itself did not represent a mental pathology–that is, homosexual people were not, by virtue of the fact of their homosexuality, more likely to exhibit signs of a pathological psychology than a heterosexual person. Whatever pathological behavior or mental states that they may exhibit or from which they may suffer were a result of some other cause and not directly attributable to their homosexuality in itself. Once this was recognized, homosexuality did not meet the standard for mental disorder.

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So I guess the same could be said about bestiality?

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“The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new, and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” – 2 Timothy, 4:3-4

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

So I guess the same could be said about bestiality?

In what way could the same be said?

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!

 

[sedonaman]

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In what way could the same be said?

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Simple.

Grace & Peace!

Ed, I believe what Hadrianus was getting at is that regardless of “lobbying,” the APA recognized that bestiality in itself did not represent a mental pathology–that is, animal-preferring people were not, by virtue of the fact of their animal-preference, more likely to exhibit signs of a pathological psychology than a human-preference person. Whatever pathological behavior or mental states that they may exhibit or from which they may suffer were a result of some other cause and not directly attributable to their bestiality in itself. Once this was recognized, bestiality did not meet the standard for mental disorder.

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“The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new, and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” – 2 Timothy, 4:3-4

 

[Deo_Volente]

Grace & Peace!

Simple.

Sedona, that’s not an actual argument for anything. Anyone can take a paragraph and replace words in it and claim they’ve made a point. Few, though, save the extremely credulous, would believe that a point was made.

(For the record, if you’re going to quote me but change the words I actually used, I’d appreciate it if you acknowledged that you were actually misquoting me. Thanks!)

Perhaps a rephrasing of my question would be helpful to you?

Given that the APA understands sexual orientation to refer to “an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes,” (see apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx):
1–In what way do you imagine that comparing beastiality to a homosexual sexual orientation reveals the true pathological psychology of the homosexual orientation that the mental health professionals are either (in your opinion) unwilling or unable to see?
2–Since swapping terms in that paragraph indicates that you believe the terms to be equivalent, can you show how beastiality is materially identical to a homosexual orientation?
3–In what significant ways is a homosexual sexual orientation more similar to beastiality than to a heterosexual sexual orientation?

I look forward to your responses. Thanks, sedona!

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!

 

[edwest2]

Grace & Peace!

Ed, I believe what Hadrianus was getting at is that regardless of “lobbying,” the APA recognized that homosexuality in itself did not represent a mental pathology–that is, homosexual people were not, by virtue of the fact of their homosexuality, more likely to exhibit signs of a pathological psychology than a heterosexual person. Whatever pathological behavior or mental states that they may exhibit or from which they may suffer were a result of some other cause and not directly attributable to their homosexuality in itself. Once this was recognized, homosexuality did not meet the standard for mental disorder.

Whether or not there was “lobbying” by one group or another does not change the fact that the APA was correct in making its decision based on its understanding of pathologies and their causes.

I understand, however, that the “lobbying” story is so frequently-told and well-cherished by some that it makes little difference what is accurate and what is not with regard to the APA’s decision.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!

Hi Mark,

You can have a look inside this book:

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0465030483

Peace,
Ed

 

[chris62]

Beleif itself is a drug addiction, if you have any clue how the brain works chemically. And you are so adamant about the wrongness of SSA it almost makes one wonder if you are not struggliing with it yourself and constructing a moral baricade against yourslef and needful honesty. I am saying this because of the astonishing apparent nievety you constantly display over the related threads from you I’ve read in this matter. Perhaps you “protest too much?”

Well none of that is right.

What I do fear is some young people in today’s society, where homosexuality is so widely embraced and promotoed in the media, are getting conned into thinking there is nothing wrong with it.
The act is a mortal sin.
And I can’t help but see it is a problem of current western culture, not as much elsewhere, which makes me think many homosexuals are victims of their society, rather than turning homosexual because of a so-called gene.
And the problem is getting worse and worse and worse and I worry about our children.

 

[chris62]

One of the things that is important is to be sensitive to a Poster that has stated that his children are homosexual.

I didn’t state my children are homosexual.
That was another poster.

Thanks for the link earlier. Very enlightening.

 

[Gaber]

Well none of that is right.

What I do fear is some young people in today’s society, where homosexuality is so widely embraced and promotoed in the media, are getting conned into thinking there is nothing wrong with it.
The act is a mortal sin.
And I can’t help but see it is a problem of current western culture, not as much elsewhere, which makes me think many homosexuals are victims of their society, rather than turning homosexual because of a so-called gene.
And the problem is getting worse and worse and worse and I worry about our children.

The alleged “problem” has always been about the same proportion in society, as have other “problems.” Your problem seems to lie (sic) in the area of accepting that we are dealing with our equals as children of God living according to the wiring that God gave them and finally having courage to state their case to an ignorant and compassionless majority. Your alarmism is less than mature or informed.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Well none of that is right.

What I do fear is some young people in today’s society, where homosexuality is so widely embraced and promotoed in the media, are getting conned into thinking there is nothing wrong with it.
The act is a mortal sin.
And I can’t help but see it is a problem of current western culture, not as much elsewhere, which makes me think many homosexuals are victims of their society, rather than turning homosexual because of a so-called gene.
And the problem is getting worse and worse and worse and I worry about our children.

Divorce is also fairly acceptable and labelled as inordinata like homosexuality…

 

[chris62]

The alleged “problem” has always been about the same proportion in society.

Do we have any statistics of this?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

So I guess the same could be said about bestiality?

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“The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new, and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” – 2 Timothy, 4:3-4

That’s next!

 

[InSearchofGrace]

The alleged “problem” has always been about the same proportion in society, as have other “problems.” Your problem seems to lie (sic) in the area of accepting that we are dealing with our equals as children of God living according to the wiring that God gave them and finally having courage to state their case to an ignorant and compassionless majority. Your alarmism is less than mature or informed.

Fail.

Man and Society are better to choose

children and tomorrow, not today’s adult disordered lust,

reasonable faith, not free fall to utter materialism, empty relativism

wisdom, neither immaturity nor lack of information

mooring, not ronin

clarity, not gibberish as

proclaimed by Gaber

Find your True Master, samurai!

ISoG

 

[Gaber]

Fail.

Man and Society are better to choose

children and tomorrow, not today’s adult disordered lust,

reasonable faith, not free fall to utter materialism, empty relativism

wisdom, neither immaturity nor lack of information

mooring, not ronin

clarity, not gibberish as

proclaimed by Gaber

Find your True Master, samurai!

ISoG

Ignorance makes what it doesn’t understand to be gibberish. My True Master is whom you ignorantly worship.

 

[chris62]

Your problem seems to lie (sic) in the area of accepting that we are dealing with our equals as children of God living according to the wiring that God gave them and finally having courage to state their case to an ignorant and compassionless majority. Your alarmism is less than mature or informed.

Wrong again. Unfortunately, comprehension, not to mention civility, doesn’t seem to be your strong suit.
I have no problem with homosexuals. They are victims, as are drug addicts etc.
My problem is with society’s push to convince people, especially the young, that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
The act of homosexuality is a mortal sin.

 

[Zosimus41]

Homosexuals and all those who commit sexual sins can be incorporated into salvation, but all of us, including me, cannot just do whatever. Jesus came to bring us life more abundantly, both here and in the life to come. We must confess our sins but we need to strive, daily, to overcome our inborn desire to sin. Saints did not become saints overnight. Even the Pope goes to Confession.

Starting with the premise that “it’s complicated” without references to Catholics who have same-sex attraction tells us nothing about their actual struggles. God’s infinite mercy is available to all of us, including Father Corapi’s dad, who admitted he had not gone to Confession in a long time. Some of us may be saved by confessing our sins on our death beds, but I would advise doing something sooner rather than later.

Peace,
Ed

Peace of Christ be with you Ed
Thanks for responding

**Homosexuals and all those who commit sexual sins can be incorporated into salvation, but all of us, including me, cannot just do whatever. **

Speaking strictly on the subject of homosexuals Im not interested in grouping in or trying to proove that we all struggle heteralsexuals in general with their struggles dont come close to what they have to go through because even though there are simularities in the level of sin commited by both homosexual and heteral sexuals. For example with heteral sexuals a man or woman may cheat on their spouse or a man and woman may sin together outside of marraige but your talking about something that can be fixed alot easier than one that lives their whole human existance of sexuality goes against biblical and church teachings. Thats hardley a comparison.

Sure technically heteralsexual people can commit sexual mortal sins just like a homosexual person. But you really cant compare a lifesyle or so called they were born that way to someone who may commit a sexual mortal sin a time or two and then learns their lesson. Im not buyin that. But your entitled to your opinion.

Starting with the premise that “it’s complicated” without references to Catholics who have same-sex attraction tells us nothing about their actual struggles.

If you reread my post youll see I am responding to another poster that was in response
spacifically to the matter of homosexuality i.e. the churches stance. I included an insert from the Vatican website for the issue.The rest if you have been keeping up goes without saying. And yes I would be willing to bet all I have that it is a struggle

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Ignorance makes what it doesn’t understand to be gibberish. My True Master is whom you ignorantly worship.

Whoa! That’s so profound!
,

 

[Zosimus41]

Zo,

There are sex linked and non-sex linked genes. They all carry information. Do a search for the following:

1. How many chromosomes human
2. Sex linked vs Non Sex linked genes

Review the following for hereditary disorders and you will see some occur on the X, Y and some on the other chromosomes. There are chromosomes that are not sex related.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

All human beings have 22 pairs of non sex-linked chromosomes and two sex-linked chromosomes. The 22 non sex-linked pairs are called autosomal chromosomes.

Autosomal traits are inherited via genes that do NOT determine an individual’s sex. Sex-linked traits, however, are inherited via genes that DO determine and individual’s sex (X and Y chromosomes). (The use of Punnett squares is the best way to help visualize this difference.)
Autosomal traits are passed on from parents to offspring independent of gender, whereas, because sex-linked traits are carried on the X chromosome and NOT the Y chromosome, males (XY (hemizygous)) have a 50% chance of being either recessesive or dominant for the trait .

So are you saying these non sex genes are anomolies or some how not inherited?

All my point was earlier on is that if homosexuals claim to be born that way is how could that be do to the fact they cant procreate to pass on any genetic material that may cause them to find same sex attraction.

If there is some sort of rouge gene causing this with such a large population of people calling themselves gay it would have been found. Then you went on talking about non sex linked genes as if non sex genes were some sort of a mystery.Or I was left to assume you meant these genes were not inherited You really didnt break it down much.

If your talking abnormalties well thats considered rare by population comparison and would not account for the large growing population of individuals that considerd themselves to be homosexuals.

Genes chromosomes abnormal chromosomes etc…It can get really deep.

With all due respect please just tell me in laymans terms what point are you trying to make with the non sexual genes?

God Bless You and I hope all is well

 

[CopticChristian]

All human beings have 22 pairs of non sex-linked chromosomes and two sex-linked chromosomes. The 22 non sex-linked pairs are called autosomal chromosomes.

Autosomal traits are inherited via genes that do NOT determine an individual’s sex. Sex-linked traits, however, are inherited via genes that DO determine and individual’s sex (X and Y chromosomes). (The use of Punnett squares is the best way to help visualize this difference.)
Autosomal traits are passed on from parents to offspring independent of gender, whereas, because sex-linked traits are carried on the X chromosome and NOT the Y chromosome, males (XY (hemizygous)) have a 50% chance of being either recessesive or dominant for the trait .

So are you saying these non sex genes are anomolies or some how not inherited?

All my point was earlier on is that if homosexuals claim to be born that way is how could that be do to the fact they cant procreate to pass on any genetic material that may cause them to find same sex attraction.

If there is some sort of rouge gene causing this with such a large population of people calling themselves gay it would have been found. Then you went on talking about non sex linked genes as if non sex genes were some sort of a mystery.Or I was left to assume you meant these genes were not inherited You really didnt break it down much.

If your talking abnormalties well thats considered rare by population comparison and would not account for the large growing population of individuals that considerd themselves to be homosexuals.

Genes chromosomes abnormal chromosomes etc…It can get really deep.

With all due respect please just tell me in laymans terms what point are you trying to make with the non sexual genes?

God Bless You and I hope all is well

Zo,

All is well. I have learned so much these past few days. Wow…

Once more how can there be a “gay gene” if homosexuals cant reproduce?

Your original statement started this whole thing. If there was a homosexual gene and there is not, it could be carried sex linked or not sex linked. It could be recessive or dominant. Balding is carried by women but expressed in men. If there was such a gene it could be carried by men and women.

I agree that if a homosexual male carried the gene then there would be no transmission because they cannot reproduce. However if it was lets say male/gay carried by a female sex or non-sex linked and expressed only in men, then it would be transmitted to other progeny and expressed only in males. Then of course there would be the female gene for homosexuality carried by the male expressed only in females. This would be complicated because the female can reproduce and it could be transmitted.

Now if the gene were carried by only females and expressed in males as homosexual in combination with some other genetic material and transmitted to females combined with other genetic material then the woman could transmit the gene as the woman can reproduce.

This is all nonsense since there is no gay gene. I have discovered and realized that the homosexual population is not homogeneous through reading. The difficulty for homosexuals is that there are those that fight this disorder and work to change their behavior and they succeed.

 

[chris62]

The difficulty for homosexuals is that there are those that fight this disorder and work to change their behavior and they succeed.

That’s interesting.
Because, for some reason, today’s society is geared up to encourage people with SSA to keep that behaviour, and they succeed.
So therefore, society/culture has a lot to do with the rise of homosexuality.

 

[CopticChristian]

That’s interesting.
Because, for some reason, today’s society is geared up to encourage people with SSA to keep that behaviour, and they succeed.
So therefore, society/culture has a lot to do with the rise of homosexuality.

Christ62,

The question is what society? Catholic Society, Evangelical Society, Athiestic Society…there is no one society…you may be speaking of those that control media and the like and the loud voices…but is that society and if so what society is it or is it just voices that want us to believe that it is society?