The disorder of homosexuality

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CopticChristian said:
The question is what society? Catholic Society, Evangelical Society, Athiestic Society…there is no one society…you may be speaking of those that control media and the like and the loud voices…but is that society and if so what society is it or is it just voices that want us to believe that it is society?
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I was referring to western society and with its heavy media influence.
Other societies in this world don’t seem to have the homosexual push from its media.

And, to further portray that, I’ve since today learnt that one of our leading TV morning shows in Sydney, Sunrise, is advocating for same sex marriage.
There is to be a vote this year in our federal parliament on the subject and this program has taken a pro same sex marriage stance.
Such is the media push for homosexuality in western culture.
 
CopticChristian said:
Zo,

All is well. I have learned so much these past few days. Wow…:rolleyes:

Your original statement started this whole thing. If there was a homosexual gene and there is not, it could be carried sex linked or not sex linked. It could be recessive or dominant. Balding is carried by women but expressed in men. If there was such a gene it could be carried by men and women.

I agree that if a homosexual male carried the gene then there would be no transmission because they cannot reproduce. However if it was lets say male/gay carried by a female sex or non-sex linked and expressed only in men, then it would be transmitted to other progeny and expressed only in males. Then of course there would be the female gene for homosexuality carried by the male expressed only in females. This would be complicated because the female can reproduce and it could be transmitted.

Now if the gene were carried by only females and expressed in males as homosexual in combination with some other genetic material and transmitted to females combined with other genetic material then the woman could transmit the gene as the woman can reproduce.

This is all nonsense since there is no gay gene. I have discovered and realized that the homosexual population is not homogeneous through reading. The difficulty for homosexuals is that there are those that fight this disorder and work to change their behavior and they succeed.
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Amen!

I was thinking also this whole discussion has been hypothetical for both of us since we both do agree its not genetic.

**I do not **however consider it was a waste of time as I have learned something…Just dont ask me to explain it!..LOL

Thank you for your time I now have a understanding on what you conveyed.

May God Bless you

PS Are you of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria? I went to a coptic mass years ago in Houston it was wonderous. Such respect for the Eucharist they took off their shoes to approach the high alter. The priest had this huge black and grey beard.The people were all beautiful. I was impressed.
 
edwest2 said:
Have you read what the Church teaches?

"Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.

Source: Catholic Answers Archive

Peace,
Ed
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But there are biological reasons that certain scents are stimulating. For example, women on average find the smell of men is not attractive, except during the times that they are fertile.
 
Zosimus41 said:
Amen!

I was thinking also this whole discussion has been hypothetical for both of us since we both do agree its not genetic.

**I do not **however consider it was a waste of time as I have learned something…Just dont ask me to explain it!..LOL

Thank you for your time I now have a understanding on what you conveyed.

May God Bless you

PS Are you of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria? I went to a coptic mass years ago in Houston it was wonderous. Such respect for the Eucharist they took off their shoes to approach the high alter. The priest had this huge black and grey beard.The people were all beautiful. I was impressed.
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One hears so many things. The theory that later pregnancies have higher hormone levels, which correlates to the higher percentage of younger children being gay in large families. The higher incidence of gay kids, if they have a gay uncle. The higher incidence of gay identical twins… there is no end to it.

It is an interesting topic, but you really need to be a psychologist or scientist to interpret all these studies.
 
epan said:
But there are biological reasons that certain scents are stimulating. For example, women on average find the smell of men is not attractive, except during the times that they are fertile.
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The part of the brain that deals with pheremones is the amygdala, interestingly enough a study was done and the amygdala of gays resembled that of women mutatis mutandis lesbians. Perhaps the attraction is the result of something going wrong during pregnancy that either doesn’t masculinise the brain enough or it does it too much.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
The part of the brain that deals with pheremones is the amygdala, interestingly enough a study was done and the amygdala of gays resembled that of women mutatis mutandis lesbians. Perhaps the attraction is the result of something going wrong during pregnancy that either doesn’t masculinise the brain enough or it does it too much.
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Yes this is correct. The amygdala also plays a role in clinical depression and in a potential disposition towards alcoholism.

Over time, however, I have found it pointless to engage in debates on these subjects as those who have decided the world is flat will refuse all scientific data as just some vast conspiracy.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
The part of the brain that deals with pheremones is the amygdala, interestingly enough a study was done and the amygdala of gays resembled that of women mutatis mutandis lesbians. Perhaps the attraction is the result of something going wrong during pregnancy that either doesn’t masculinise the brain enough or it does it too much.
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Dakota,

Pheremones are not to my knoweldge based on a study through BS Zoology and Medical school not a human phenomenon. If you have something that contradicts this let me know. To apply pheremones to humans is something new to me. It has been alluded to as “like pheremones”…but not truly pheremones. Do you have data to support actual pheremone activity in humans?
 
The word of the living God…
might come from the mouth of Abraham
might come from the mouth of Jesus
might come from the mouth of Mohamed
might come from the mouth of the woman at the well or from mouth of the Buddha

The word of the living God…
might come from the mouth of a Poet, from a child
Sometimes, the word of the living God comes from our own mouth
in those moments that we express what we did not know we knew

This is the word of the living God.
It knocks the bottom out of what we thought reality to be
the truth of this living word discloses, evokes hours, no - a life time, of pondering

This heart felt pondering sustains the Spirit led upheaval that leaves us without any solid footing in our ultimately unsubtantial ego self.
Riding the waves of this upheaval leads us to an utter calmness
a peace that surpasses understanding.

The word of God is like that
it tips over mountains
it drains the sea
it dissolves the foundations of who we thought ourselves to be.
 
tskrobacz said:
The word of the living God…
might come from the mouth of Abraham
might come from the mouth of Jesus
might come from the mouth of Mohamed
might come from the mouth of the woman at the well or from mouth of the Buddha

The word of the living God…
might come from the mouth of a Poet, from a child
Sometimes, the word of the living God comes from our own mouth
in those moments that we express what we did not know we knew

This is the word of the living God.
It knocks the bottom out of what we thought reality to be
the truth of this living word discloses, evokes hours, no - a life time, of pondering

This heart felt pondering sustains the Spirit led upheaval that leaves us without any solid footing in our ultimately unsubtantial ego self.
Riding the waves of this upheaval leads us to an utter calmness
a peace that surpasses understanding.

The word of God is like that
it tips over mountains
it drains the sea
it dissolves the foundations of who we thought ourselves to be.
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But it doesn’t contradict prior revelation. Anyone can stand up and say he has a message from God, but how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if he is just pretending or delusional, or both?
 
CopticChristian said:
Dakota,

Pheremones are not to my knoweldge based on a study through BS Zoology and Medical school not a human phenomenon. If you have something that contradicts this let me know. To apply pheremones to humans is something new to me. It has been alluded to as “like pheremones”…but not truly pheremones. Do you have data to support actual pheremone activity in humans?
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I was probably using pheremones wrong, I was refering to studies like
ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(99)00005-7/abstract

m.pss.sagepub.com/content/16/9/694.short
 
I think all the people who allege there is a rise in homosexuality due to changing societal attitudes are wrong and contradict themselves. If people are really that susceptible to external influences persuading or inadvertently causing them to become homosexual, then people aren’ t born heterosexual in the first place. I’m confused. If we are hardwired gay or straight, then all a pro-gay social influence could do is make the gay kids gayer. I don’t think we are hardwired anything. We are just sexual, with the capacity to partake in various kinds of sexual activity. If we are that suggestible sexually as many on here seem to believe, then our sexuality is a pliable fluid thing, not hardwired.
 
sedonaman said:
But it doesn’t contradict prior revelation. Anyone can stand up and say he has a message from God, but how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if he is just pretending or delusional, or both?
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We do ourselves no great service when we commit ourselves to devisive rhetoric, the root of which is always this question: who has power over whom? The question of who has power over whom belongs to the sphere of sin, of violence and death, because power in this context is always related to violence as the rhetoric above eloqently demonstrates.

In the light of the Resurrection–revealing to us the union of Heaven and Earth, showing us definitively that the nature of God is a Love that has no part in death and violence, but is lovingly willing to become a victim of that death and violence in order to empty it of meaning and power–in such a light, using the language of violence and death, of us v. them, is un-Christian, to say the least.

Drawing these lines in the sand gives us an incredible sense of self-identity, granted. But this identity is always forged at the expense of and over against the other whom we see as our enemy and who will ultimately be seen as worthy of execution or obliteration. This is no way to form a healthy self-understanding, particularly when God has freely given us his own self-understanding to be our own self-understanding: Jesus Christ.

What we know about God is important, but we we do with what we know about God is even more important. Too often people think it is necessary that we all see God the same way (which is impossible anyway), but what is really necessary is that we all follow God according to what God tells us.
 
bri89 said:
I think all the people who allege there is a rise in homosexuality due to changing societal attitudes are wrong and contradict themselves. If people are really that susceptible to external influences persuading or inadvertently causing them to become homosexual, then people aren’ t born heterosexual in the first place. I’m confused. If we are hardwired gay or straight, then all a pro-gay social influence could do is make the gay kids gayer. I don’t think we are hardwired anything. We are just sexual, with the capacity to partake in various kinds of sexual activity. If we are that suggestible sexually as many on here seem to believe, then our sexuality is a pliable fluid thing, not hardwired.
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One psychologist’s research:
Part 1 youtube.com/watch?v=VjQT4QXBpEQ
Part 2 youtube.com/watch?v=VUhttwmWQoU&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Part 3 youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Tm43ow64YG4
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Dr. Joseph Nicolosi - November 2008 - Denver, CO
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“Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. None of them have ever been held accountable.”
 
tskrobacz said:
We do ourselves no great service when we commit ourselves to devisive rhetoric, the root of which is always this question: who has power over whom? The question of who has power over whom belongs to the sphere of sin, of violence and death, because power in this context is always related to violence as the rhetoric above eloqently demonstrates.

In the light of the Resurrection–revealing to us the union of Heaven and Earth, showing us definitively that the nature of God is a Love that has no part in death and violence, but is lovingly willing to become a victim of that death and violence in order to empty it of meaning and power–in such a light, using the language of violence and death, of us v. them, is un-Christian, to say the least.

Drawing these lines in the sand gives us an incredible sense of self-identity, granted. But this identity is always forged at the expense of and over against the other whom we see as our enemy and who will ultimately be seen as worthy of execution or obliteration. This is no way to form a healthy self-understanding, particularly when God has freely given us his own self-understanding to be our own self-understanding: Jesus Christ.

What we know about God is important, but we we do with what we know about God is even more important. Too often people think it is necessary that we all see God the same way (which is impossible anyway), but what is really necessary is that we all follow God according to what God tells us.
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What you say here can be applied to your own post, right?
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
I was probably using pheremones wrong, I was refering to studies like
ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(99)00005-7/abstract

m.pss.sagepub.com/content/16/9/694.short
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Scent affects male attraction too. For example, men who were selective in their standards of female beauty, become non-selective when exposed to certain female body odors. In other words, every female becomes attractive under those conditions. Females, on the other hand use scent to be more selective in their attraction to me. Makes sense biologically.
 
In every 2 sex species where scientists have looked for homosexuality, they have found it. Because it is found throughout the animal kingdom, including humans, it is of nature and of God. If we deny it, we deny God. The bible is filled with immoral and illegal practices that we choose to disregard. I’ve never stoned my kids for talking back to me just as I’ve never condemned homosexuals. And the “love the sinner, not the sin” is just dressing up bigotry. If you have a problem with homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom including the human race, take it up with God. Tell him what’s he’s doing wrong. Correct him for his mistake. Tell him that his work a disorder.

Or you can be accepting of all of God’s creations and relish in the diversity. Say to God, “Thank you for the wonderful creation of our world. Help me be a good steward by fostering love and goodness in every person that I meet. Please help me resist the evil in my heart that seeks to twist your message into bigoted words that hurt others and poisons your kingdom. Impart upon me the knowledge that I am not worthy of deciding who is right and who is wrong in your eyes. That is for you alone to decide. Amen.”
 
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