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Debora123
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That, as well as the fact that there is no such thing as a universal standard of modesty.
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garn9173
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Exactly. That homily of Fr. Mary addressing attire at Mass is directed to his Parishoners not to the average joe six pack Catholic.
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Serap
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I’m wearing a semi-fitted mini dress at work at age 41 and I don’t see anything wrong with it. I’m not going to cover up head to toe. No I could not wear this dress to the Vatican (b/c my shoulders are exposed) and I see nothing wrong with my outfit.
I’ve worn this dress to church.
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LightBound
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Well…as far as women in the Middle East in hot climates…women dress like that under the threat of being publicly stoned to death, or being beheaded, or being gang-raped. I don’t think Christianity, particularly Catholicism, operates that way, nor should it (before someone thinks he’s being funny and posts that maybe that would get women dressing modestly).
I do agree with your last paragraph about no one should ever be kicked out of Mass because they didn’t adhere to a dress code, though.
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CroCatholic
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I think some people are taking things to the extreme… No one should ridicule or persecute someone for not following the rules. But that doesn’t mean there is no need for rules.
I know for a fact, that some of my family members are living in sin, only come to church once or twice a year, haven’t been to confession since Peter was Pope and yet still go for Communion the times that they do show up for Mass. No body turns them away, no body tells them they shouldn’t be there. They eat and drink judgement on themselves… Just like if someone shows up dressed inappropriately, they’re doing it to themselves.
Some people may honestly not know that there is an implied standard of dress for Mass. If there was some direction, they may get on board. If there is never any mention, they may never know. And well some people can’t fathom wearing sleeves because it’s hot and uncomfortable for and hour… I bet Jesus was pretty uncomfortable hanging on the cross but he did it anyway…
I know for a fact, that some of my family members are living in sin, only come to church once or twice a year, haven’t been to confession since Peter was Pope and yet still go for Communion the times that they do show up for Mass. No body turns them away, no body tells them they shouldn’t be there. They eat and drink judgement on themselves… Just like if someone shows up dressed inappropriately, they’re doing it to themselves.
Some people may honestly not know that there is an implied standard of dress for Mass. If there was some direction, they may get on board. If there is never any mention, they may never know. And well some people can’t fathom wearing sleeves because it’s hot and uncomfortable for and hour… I bet Jesus was pretty uncomfortable hanging on the cross but he did it anyway…
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L_piperatus
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Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship and Sacrament at the Vatican, on modest dress in church:
However, there are some cases where there is such an offense against modesty that absolutely such people should not be allowed into a church building. Some break all the rules of common sense.
Well, that’s what the Vatican does, and that’s what the churches in Rome and Italy do: they will not allow immodestly dressed people to enter a church building, unless and until those people fix the defect in their appearance and don some modest garb.
However, there are some cases where there is such an offense against modesty that absolutely such people should not be allowed into a church building. Some break all the rules of common sense.
Well, that’s what the Vatican does, and that’s what the churches in Rome and Italy do: they will not allow immodestly dressed people to enter a church building, unless and until those people fix the defect in their appearance and don some modest garb.
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Debora123
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Well apparently the Church doesn’t think there is a need for a universal church going dress code.
It will never happen. And with good reason.
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Rejoice_Always
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This thread isn’t about the Universal Roman Catholic Church. It’s about the World Wide Web CAF Catholic Church!Well apparently the Church doesn’t think there is a need for a universal church going dress code.
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Debora123
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This thread isn’t about the Universal Roman Catholic Church. It’s about the World Wide Web CAF Catholic Church!
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CroCatholic
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Maybe you should examine why you have such a palpable reaction to the suggestion that you shouldn’t expose your navel, knees, arms or chest at Church? Is this REALLY such a difficult task to accomplish? Would it really be that terrible? It’s not as if someone is suggesting uniforms. One of the most important edicts of our faith is suffering. You’re telling me that not wearing a tank top to Church is just taking if way too far? Wow…
Methinks thou dost protest too much…
Methinks thou dost protest too much…
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Joe_5859
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I’m curious as to whether those who are in favor of this dress code being applied universally have pitched the idea to their parish council and, if so, what type of reaction they got. If this is something important that the Church needs to pursue, then it has to start somewhere. None of us may be able to get it on the docket for the next USCCB meeting, but we could all put the issue in front of our parish priest.
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Rejoice_Always
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Why criticize the log in one’s own eye when it is that very log that makes it so much easier to see the splinter in someone else’s eye?
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CroCatholic
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I merely find it interesting that you are so resistant to an achievable dress code. I have not called your morals into question, or accused you of anything… You are passionate about not having a dress code, I’m passionate about having one. I would like to know for what reasons other than comfort, you are opposed to it?
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Debora123
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Lol, really??
Just because I agree with the Church that there shouldn’t be a universal dress code, doesn’t mean I have some sort of evil intention. Wow…
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Joe_5859
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Like I said before, I’m all for modesty. “Dressing up” is something that people have always done for things that are important. I think Mass is very important, so I always encourage dressing up.
That said, I have a hard time believing that advocates of this universal dress code have really thought things through. Do we really imagine that this would have a positive impact on the Church? I can see the headlines now: “Who Cares about the Poor? Catholic Church Wants To Make Sure Knees Are Covered”. People would get angry. People would feel alienated. And for what? To promote the universal truth that bare knees and shoulders are an affront to the Lord?
Further, do we really imagine that the Pope and bishops could implement this? They have trouble enough even getting priests to stop ad libbing some of the prayers of the Mass. And priests have promised obedience to their bishops! What hope would there be for getting the laity to get on board with this?
Again, I emphasize that I’m all for modesty. I think priests can speak to this issue to their flock. They can catechize people on the importance of modesty. They might even see it as opportune to institute a dress code for their own parish. But universally? The entire world? One billion Catholics? Good luck with that.
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Serap
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You and I definitely will never agree.
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Rejoice_Always
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Personally, I have no qualms with dress codes, for they exist everywhere in every aspect of life – and they indubitably differ from locale to locale and era to era. I maintain no opposition whatsoever to dress codes in or out of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. My only opposition is towards CAF threads about dress codes.
And to call my opposition an opposition is merely ridiculous.
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Debora123
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Plenty of good reasons have already been posted throughout this thread. I find it hard to believe you still don’t know why we oppose a universal dress code.
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Serap
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Debora,
Sometimes ppl on CAF just keep posting their opinions over and over again hoping they can convert everyone to their opinion. It just doesn’t happen and then things get more and more rude as the thread goes on.
I hope this doesn’t happen and if it does, the moderators kick in.
Sometimes ppl on CAF just keep posting their opinions over and over again hoping they can convert everyone to their opinion. It just doesn’t happen and then things get more and more rude as the thread goes on.
I hope this doesn’t happen and if it does, the moderators kick in.
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Debora123
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Very true, very true.
What bothers me is when people start getting personal with the other posters who don’t agree with them. Something I have just witnessed on this very page.
With that being said, I’m out before the poop hits the fan.
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