The Early Christians were Sola Scriptura

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Christ did, just as He chose His apostles, and they in turn, through the calling of Christ, called their successors…

Priests say they know it is Christ calling them…it is something they are chosen for and do not chose it for themselves.

Christ is working today just as He did 2,000 years ago.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Paul had to be tested to see if he was for real, just like anyone else. As he said:
[BIBLEDRB]2 Corinthians 8:22[/BIBLEDRB]
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How about lets stay in Acts and discuss the original text I brought up. Not drive off to another place.

Why where the Disciples afraid of Paul when He tried to join them?

Why did Barnabas have to take him to the disciples at Jerusalem and convince them that Paul was one of them ( a Disciple of Christ) ?

It was only after Barnabas convinced them of his conversion was he aloud to join them.

To make the claim that Paul wasn’t first rejected by the Disciples until convinced by Barnabas is to deny this passage. Which I think you have no intention in doing. This is the original comment I was responding to.

[BIBLEDRB]Acts 9:26-28[/BIBLEDRB]
 
KathleenGee said:
And the authority of the apostles – obviously that was given to them by Christ as was St. Paul. Christ gave the same authority to St. Peter to be the human foundation of the Church. The Church was, through, the Apostles founded by Christ and sustained by the Holy Spirit, who at the Epiclesus turns the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, Who forgives sins, heals, directs, sanctifies.

Cruisin, If the Catholic Church was not founded by Jesus Christ, like Paul, we wouldn’t be here…or you!

You can’t prove anything with one Bible remark against another…we already know them. You are missing the whole testimony of the Church in how the Word of God was incarnated among the believers, and what happened with each generation.

The Word Made Flesh.
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I wasn’t out to convince you of anything except that the disciples at Jerusalem did not allow Paul to join them until after Barnabas convinced them other wise.

So Paul was rejected by the disciples until Barnabas step in.

your trying to read way to much into my posts. There usually not that complex.😉
 
cruisin said:
Cat Herder;7104147:
Again, you’re trying to set Christ against His Body. Ain’t gonna fly.

No. I’m asking a simple question. Who sent Paul and by what authority did he write his letters?
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Paul got his authority from the Jesus – and in Acts 9:4-5, Jesus equates the CHURCH with himself:
“He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?"
He said, “Who are you, sir?” The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.”
Saul was persecuting the CHURCH – yet Jesus said HE was being persecuted because he and his Church are inseperable.
We see later in Acts 15:24-33 that those sent out to preach and teach – had to be sent out by the CHURCH.
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Agreed, Paul gets His authority from Christ.

Don’t see any introductions in His letters that says By the Authority given to me by the Church who is Christ. maybe I’m just missing them.

OH well, I off to something more constructive.
 
Point is that the Apostles did accept him and recognize Christ’s authority working through him…the fact that they were afraid reveals to me that they picked up that they were dealing with someone not like the others and did not know what to do because Paul did not witness Christ like they did…yet they experienced something that caused them to be afraid…it is not rejection but being challenged…
 
cruisin said:
Agreed, Paul gets His authority from Christ.

Don’t see any introductions in His letters that says By the Authority given to me by the Church who is Christ. maybe I’m just missing them.
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Maybe you should ask Paul?

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 3:15[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Cat_Herder said:
Maybe you should ask Paul?

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 3:14-16[/BIBLEDRB]
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[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 1:1-2[/BIBLEDRB]

Nope doesn’t work.

no Church authority here. only by the authority of God and Christ

he is writing this so Timothy knows how to conduct himself in the House of God.
which is the assembly of the living God.
 
Todd520 said:
One could argue becoming the official religion of the Roman empire definitely gave the RCC a huge advantage to grow.
I do think this quickly made Roman Catholics the ‘biggest kid on the schoolyard’
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The Roman Empire crumbled while Catholicism continued to thrive.

In fact, Catholicism held civilization together in Europe throughout the middle ages.

Christianity didn’t become the official religion of the Roman Empire until the empire was near collapse, so I don’t think your point has much relevance.

For most of Christian history under Rome the Church was persecuted.
 
cruisin said:
[bibledrb]1 Timothy 1:1-2[/bibledrb]

Nope doesn’t work.

no Church authority here. only by the authority of God and Christ

he is writing this so Timothy knows how to conduct himself in the House of God.
which is the assembly of the living God.
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Ummm . . . you’re leaving out the part where he calls that Church the “pillar and foundation of truth”. Therein lies the Authority.

Only TWO entities in ALL of Scripture (OT & NT) are referred to as the TRUTH:
God and his Church.
 
cruisin said:
[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 1:1-2[/BIBLEDRB]

Nope doesn’t work.

no Church authority here. only by the authority of God and Christ

he is writing this so Timothy knows how to conduct himself in the House of God.
which is the assembly of the living God.
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No church authority for Paul, eh?

[BIBLEDRB]Col 1:18[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Eph 2:20[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Acts 14:22[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]1 Tim 4:14[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]2 Tim 2:2[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 6:46[/BIBLEDRB]
 
From the statements by both Paul, and Luke, one is assured they what they have written down, they have seen with their own eyes, or can verify by reliable witnesses.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
The Roman Empire crumbled while Catholicism continued to thrive.

In fact, Catholicism held civilization together in Europe throughout the middle ages.

Christianity didn’t become the official religion of the Roman Empire until the empire was near collapse, so I don’t think your point has much relevance.

For most of Christian history under Rome the Church was persecuted.
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Yes, we all agree the early Christians were persecuated by Rome, for 300 years.

However, fortunes changed dramatically when the church became legal in 313 and the official state religion in 383.
  • The first Ecumenical Council was only possible because of these changes in Rome.
  • Rome then spread the seeds of Christianity across Europe as the empire was failing.
Then the Catholic Church preserved many precious things through the middle ages.
 
elvisman said:
Ummm . . . you’re leaving out the part where he calls that Church the “pillar and foundation of truth”. Therein lies the Authority.

Only TWO entities in ALL of Scripture (OT & NT) are referred to as the TRUTH:
God and his Church.
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Exactly! Why would God exclude His Church with all of His Truth,but only bind it to written words (aka the Bible)? 🤷
 
elvisman said:
Ummm . . . you’re leaving out the part where he calls that Church the “pillar and foundation of truth”. Therein lies the Authority.

Only TWO entities in ALL of Scripture (OT & NT) are referred to as the TRUTH:
God and his Church.
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Actually, several things are called the truth but the Church is not one of them

God’s law Psalm 119:142
God’s commandments Psalm 119:151
God’s word John 17:17
The Spirit 1 John 5:6

In Timothy the Church is called the pillar and foundation **of **the truth, not the truth.
 
SyCarl said:
Actually, several things are called the truth but the Church is not one of them

God’s law Psalm 119:142
God’s commandments Psalm 119:151
God’s word John 17:17
The Spirit 1 John 5:6

In Timothy the Church is called the pillar and foundation **of **the truth, not the truth.
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Come again? You mean Christ founded His Church with no promise of teaching the Truth?

Explain how you manage to separate the Truth from Christ Church? Using your argument would be like saying scripture is OF the truth,not the truth.
 
Nicea325 said:
Come again? You mean Christ founded His Church with no promise of teaching the Truth?

Explain how you manage to separate the Truth from Christ Church? Using your argument would be like saying scripture is OF the truth,not the truth.
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Scripture is the word of God. John 17:17 says God’s word is truth, so Scripture is truth. The Church may or may not teach truth depending on whether you accept the Catholic Church’s claim…
 
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