The end of Protestantism

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Well you stated earlier that the priest can better serve the community and God if he is not. Would he be less than fruitful if a pope allowes priest to marry again?

What of the Easteran Catholics and Orthodox? Do they serve less than a priest in the Latin Rite that is single?
No not at all, your missing the point. A celebrate priest is not divided between serving the Church and his family. That can be difficult, considering priest who are married have to also have another source of income as well as time spent away from family to do his priestly work. The Church is very wise in her disciplines and can change them when necessary. That would be up to the Holy Spirit and the Pope.
 
Well you stated earlier that the priest can better serve the community and God if he is not. Would he be less than fruitful if a pope allowes priest to marry again?

What of the Easteran Catholics and Orthodox? Do they serve less than a priest in the Latin Rite that is single?
As a Catholic who is used to priests being celibate, I cannot see what the fuss about them being celibate. But that is because I am a Catholic. Protestants have issue with this because their pastors are not celibate. It looks like a matter of defending one’s position.

As I said, celibacy is a discipline. There is a host of factors behind it. Serving the Church better must be seen in context that is appropriate for the Church and not other churches.

There are married priests from Anglican churches and Eastern Catholic who are incorporated to the Catholic Church. No problem there.
 
On the other hand if you talk to most Catholic priest, they would tell you that their celibacy is a gift from God. I have heard many married priest say the same thing. They realize the importance of it. I don’t believe I ever heard of anyone dying because they lived a celebrate life, priest or otherwise. God Bless, Memaw. PS, I think if one wants to bash Catholics, they will find a way to do it
I agree with all your points, Memaw. 👍
 
Since this thread covers the end of Protestantism, there is much speculation that the Episcopal Church (particularly in the United States) will be gone within the next forty years. Many Episcopal Churches today are empty on Sundays. Congregations in large cities that had a full sanctuary on Sunday morning have seen a drop in attendance over the past 15-20 years. The “watering down” of their faith by the higher ups in their church has affected attendance.

Quite a few former Episcopalians have accepted the Real Presence, and have returned to the Catholic faith. I am pleased to see the many Episcopalians who have crossed the Tiber, particularly in the South. Within the last three years, another parish in the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (St. Timothy’s) became Catholic, and there are some former Episcopal clergy working now in Catholic ministry in Texas (Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth), and some former Episcopal clergy have been accepted for ordination as Catholic priests under the Pastoral Provision.

There were also two Episcopalian parishes in Maryland that came into the Catholic church not long ago. There is also one of these parishes now in the Diocese of Rochester (New York), and another may be coming into the Diocese of Cape Giradeau, Missouri.
 
Since this thread covers the end of Protestantism, there is much speculation that the Episcopal Church (particularly in the United States) will be gone within the next forty years. Many Episcopal Churches today are empty on Sundays. Congregations in large cities that had a full sanctuary on Sunday morning have seen a drop in attendance over the past 15-20 years. The “watering down” of their faith by the higher ups in their church has affected attendance.

Quite a few former Episcopalians have accepted the Real Presence, and have returned to the Catholic faith. I am pleased to see the many Episcopalians who have crossed the Tiber, particularly in the South. Within the last three years, another parish in the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (St. Timothy’s) became Catholic, and there are some former Episcopal clergy working now in Catholic ministry in Texas (Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth), and some former Episcopal clergy have been accepted for ordination as Catholic priests under the Pastoral Provision.

There were also two Episcopalian parishes in Maryland that came into the Catholic church not long ago. There is also one of these parishes now in the Diocese of Rochester (New York), and another may be coming into the Diocese of Cape Giradeau, Missouri.
Proof that the arms of the Catholic Church are wide open to welcome those who wish to return or join us. God Bless, them all, Memaw
 
Since this thread covers the end of Protestantism, there is much speculation that the Episcopal Church (particularly in the United States) will be gone within the next forty years. Many Episcopal Churches today are empty on Sundays. Congregations in large cities that had a full sanctuary on Sunday morning have seen a drop in attendance over the past 15-20 years. The “watering down” of their faith by the higher ups in their church has affected attendance.

Quite a few former Episcopalians have accepted the Real Presence, and have returned to the Catholic faith. I am pleased to see the many Episcopalians who have crossed the Tiber, particularly in the South. Within the last three years, another parish in the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (St. Timothy’s) became Catholic, and there are some former Episcopal clergy working now in Catholic ministry in Texas (Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth), and some former Episcopal clergy have been accepted for ordination as Catholic priests under the Pastoral Provision.

There were also two Episcopalian parishes in Maryland that came into the Catholic church not long ago. There is also one of these parishes now in the Diocese of Rochester (New York), and another may be coming into the Diocese of Cape Giradeau, Missouri.
Some of this is just speculation and it also can’t be assumed that people are only going in one direction. Churches/denominations everywhere, including more conservative ones, are losing members as our society becomes more secular. Even the Catholic church in the US is losing members and parishes are closing and the drop would be more precipitous than it has been in the US if not for Catholic immigrants from Latin America. The losses are much greater in Europe. Many of these people do not belong to any organized religion at all now. I also know of former Catholics who are now Episcopalians, so the movement is not only in one direction.
 
Since this thread covers the end of Protestantism, there is much speculation that the Episcopal Church (particularly in the United States) will be gone within the next forty years. Many Episcopal Churches today are empty on Sundays. Congregations in large cities that had a full sanctuary on Sunday morning have seen a drop in attendance over the past 15-20 years. The “watering down” of their faith by the higher ups in their church has affected attendance.

Quite a few former Episcopalians have accepted the Real Presence, and have returned to the Catholic faith. I am pleased to see the many Episcopalians who have crossed the Tiber, particularly in the South. Within the last three years, another parish in the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth (St. Timothy’s) became Catholic, and there are some former Episcopal clergy working now in Catholic ministry in Texas (Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth), and some former Episcopal clergy have been accepted for ordination as Catholic priests under the Pastoral Provision.

There were also two Episcopalian parishes in Maryland that came into the Catholic church not long ago. There is also one of these parishes now in the Diocese of Rochester (New York), and another may be coming into the Diocese of Cape Giradeau, Missouri.
I can only speak from my own experience, but the parish that I attend has a little over a thousand registered households, and five Masses on Sunday to accommodate them all. There a quite a few parishes in my city with a thousand or more registered households. And my city is quite liberal, to boot.
 
Originally Posted by Peter J
That doesn’t really explain why.
Thanks for that reply (and sorry for the slowness of this one :)).

Possibly I have been a tad too negative, or critical, on that point. Actually, when you really come down to it I think the issue is more with Protestants (or protestants) eschewing the term “catholic”. (Note: Not talking about those of you who say “I’m catholic, I’m just not Catholic”, but rather those who regard being “Catholic/catholic” as a bad thing regardless of punctuation.)
 
Peter I stated earlier that indeed we are seperate. Read all the post lol

Ok back to my coffee!
But are you my separated brother, or am I your separated brother? (Be aware that your hot coffee might end up on your head if you answer wrongly. :o)
 
But are you my separated brother, or am I your separated brother? (Be aware that your hot coffee might end up on your head if you answer wrongly. :o)
Both. We are seperate because you are Catholic and I am a Arminian Evangelical. We are united by our belief in Jesus Christ, baptism and botg are apart of the Body of Christ. We just have “seperate” faith traditions.

That’s my answer and I sticking to it. 😃
 
Some of this is just speculation and it also can’t be assumed that people are only going in one direction. Churches/denominations everywhere, including more conservative ones, are losing members as our society becomes more secular. Even the Catholic church in the US is losing members and parishes are closing and the drop would be more precipitous than it has been in the US if not for Catholic immigrants from Latin America. The losses are much greater in Europe. Many of these people do not belong to any organized religion at all now. I also know of former Catholics who are now Episcopalians, so the movement is not only in one direction.
In addition to the above, a majority of Episcopalians are white/European American (86.6%).
“A natural decrease and eventual loss in the white population is baked into the cake of our older white population,” William H. Frey, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based policy research group, said in an e-mail.
Source…
 
Die out?
Not by itself, not without taking the others with it.

I think there will be a time in the not-far-off future when Christianity in general does…and that will encompass all groups-- including protestant and catholic and whatever other denominations don’t fit those two categories.
So if it doesn’t will that convince you that Christianity is the true religion?
 
Thanks for that reply (and sorry for the slowness of this one :)).

Possibly I have been a tad too negative, or critical, on that point. Actually, when you really come down to it I think the issue is more with Protestants (or protestants) eschewing the term “catholic”. (Note: Not talking about those of you who say “I’m catholic, I’m just not Catholic”, but rather those who regard being “Catholic/catholic” as a bad thing regardless of punctuation.)
It’s interesting that you say that because in my short time here, I’ve seen quite a few Protestants of the High Church persuasion eagerly refer to themselves as Catholic and I think a thread or two has gotten started on this very topic. For myself, I wouldn’t call myself Catholic because I’m sure that would be misleading. " Catholic" in today’s parlance is shorthand for " Roman Catholic." People being people, they tend to label and file things away mentally. I spoke to a friend just the other day who referred to herself as Anglican. In my experience, normally people who go to the Episcopal Church in the US call themselves Episcopal ( although some do call themselves Anglican), while many breakaway groups, such as the Anglican Catholic Church or the Anglican Church in North America, use the Anglican moniker. I find it interesting that a word taken from a Greek word that means " Universal" has such a draw that so many people want to claim the name.
 
It’s interesting that you say that because in my short time here, I’ve seen quite a few Protestants of the High Church persuasion eagerly refer to themselves as Catholic and I think a thread or two has gotten started on this very topic. For myself, I wouldn’t call myself Catholic because I’m sure that would be misleading. " Catholic" in today’s parlance is shorthand for " Roman Catholic." People being people, they tend to label and file things away mentally.
No argument there.

Plus I’ve noticed that Protestants who call themselves “catholic but not Catholic” aren’t really consistent since they call themselves “Protestant” not “protestant”. Though maybe that doesn’t have anything to do with your reasons.
 
For myself, I wouldn’t call myself Catholic because I’m sure that would be misleading. "
Yep. Egg-zactly.
Catholic" in today’s parlance is shorthand for " Roman Catholic."
Well, not exactly. “Catholic” means people who profess to believe what is here:

scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

So that includes Ruthenian Catholics. Chaldean Catholics. etc etc.

Not necessarily Roman Catholics.
I find it interesting that a word taken from a Greek word that means " Universal" has such a draw that so many people want to claim the name.
I don’t think people are drawn to the word. After all, it’s just a word.

What people want is to claim to be Catholic because they know what it means: belonging to the Church that can trace its roots all the way back to Christ.
 
Yeah that’s why I now call myself a Catholic. I believe in the teachings and tradition of the Church. If I still believed Baptist doctrine and dogma I would call myself a Baptist.
 
Yeah that’s why I now call myself a Catholic. I believe in the teachings and tradition of the Church. If I still believed Baptist doctrine and dogma I would call myself a Baptist.
Glad you found a place to experience God!
 
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