The Epistles of St. Peter and the Papacy

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This is a question for our Catholic friends:

Does St. Peter ever imply that he is the head of the Church in any of his epistles? If not, why?
 
This is a question for our Catholic friends:

Does St. Peter ever imply that he is the head of the Church in any of his epistles? If not, why?
Yes.

2 Peter 3:16 - Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul’s letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock.
 
2 Peter 3:16 - Peter is making a judgment on the proper interpretation of Paul’s letters. Peter is the chief shepherd of the flock.
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

honestly, how does that opinion make somebody the big boss man?

maybe you can use the early chapters of the book of acts wherein peter was acting as the Master Chief.
 
Not sure. You need more?
I don’t mind reading the epistles myself, but I’d like to know how many times Peter implies that he is the head of the Church in his epistles.
 
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

honestly, how does that opinion make somebody the big boss man?
Because it is coupled with the entire context of Scripture.
 
I don’t mind reading the epistles myself, but I’d like to know how many times Peter implies that he is the head of the Church in his epistles.
I honestly don’t know. What if it’s only once? Or not at all explicitly written? Doesn’t change the truth.
 
I honestly don’t know. What if it’s only once? Or not at all explicitly written? Doesn’t change the truth.
That would be an awefully important detail to leave out, don’t you think? Afterall, St. Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
 
I haven’t looked through it but if there’s nothing glaring, and you wanted a reason why he wouldn’t write about his primacy…perhaps the answer is because his primacy is already quite evident in the Gospels and Acts? Luke was close to Peter and covered much of this in his gospel and in Acts.

As well, since the faith was never meant to be limited to the written Word only 🙂 , Peter wouldn’t have necessarily needed to put it in writing (especially, as I said, it was written elsewhere).
 
I haven’t looked through it but if there’s nothing glaring, and you wanted a reason why he wouldn’t write about his primacy…perhaps the answer is because his primacy is already quite evident in the Gospels and Acts? Luke was close to Peter and covered much of this in his gospel and in Acts.

As well, since the faith was never meant to be limited to the written Word only 🙂 , Peter wouldn’t have necessarily needed to put it in writing (especially, as I said, it was written elsewhere).
Maybe Paul was just more detail oriented than Peter, but I can’t see why Peter wouldn’t at least start off his epistles by mentioning he was Pope. Didn’t most of the epistles start off with the author describing what title they held?

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ…”
 
That would be an awefully important detail to leave out, don’t you think? Afterall, St. Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
What makes you think it was left out? Your underlying assumption is that to be considered Christian, it must be explicitly found in the Bible. The Catholic Church doesn’t go by the Bible alone. We rely on the entire word of God - spoken and written. We have Tradition, Scripture and the Magesterium. You are not going to find a passage where Peter says,“I am the Pope.” Just like you’re not going find a passage where Jesus says, “I am the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. I am a triune God” Both doctrines are deduced from the TOTALITY of Scripture.
 
That would be an awefully important detail to leave out, don’t you think? Afterall, St. Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
Why look surprised? The idea that Jesus is God is an awefully important detail that have been left out. All you get are obscure hints.
 
Fine.

Could you cite the traditions for me from the catechism?
 
Fine.

Could you site the traditions for me from the catechism?
I don’t think there is a list in the Catechism. I could rattle some off the top of my head like you are rattling off things you don’t agree with about the Catholic Church.

Can you show me where in the Bible is the list of books that are supposed to be in the Bible? I assume you are a sola scripturaist. Sorry, if I’m wrong. Looks like this thread is getting de-railed early on, huh?
 
I am new here and this is my first post…
I just thought I might add that the Epistles of Peter also do not mention that they are to be included in the Bible. It is not as though Peter wrote, “What you are about to read is to be collected with other manuscripts and bound together in what will be called ‘the Bible.’” Just because Peter didn’t write it doesn’t mean it is not to be believed by Christians.
Peter did not himself explicitly say that he was the visible head of the Church (although other passages from the Bible do support this notion). But Peter also did not explicitly say that his writings ought to be concidered as divinely inspired. If you can accept one, why not the other.
To have a Bible that is faithfully compiled, translated and preserved requires something outside of the “Bible Alone” to do so. To understand Peter’s role in the early Church also reqires a broader view of early Christianity than to narrowly focus on what Peter wrote in three brief Epistles.
Thomas
 
Jesus actually states he is God: I AM.
That was so obscure that even the apostles did not get it. Such a radical idea that Jesus is God deserves a statement that is a million times clearer. “I AM GOD!” No mistaking it. Direct to the point.
 
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ShortyLaRock_82:
This is a question for our Catholic friends:

Does St. Peter ever imply that he is the head of the Church in any of his epistles? If not, why?
No, he doesn’t; what he says is this:**1 Peter 5:1

Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,

2 John 1

The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth,

3 John 1

The elder to the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth.**

The apostles didn’t know anything about any pope.
 
Maybe Paul was just more detail oriented than Peter, but I can’t see why Peter wouldn’t at least start off his epistles by mentioning he was Pope. Didn’t most of the epistles start off with the author describing what title they held?

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ…”
Yes, but I just gave you a very plausible reason why. Not to mention the terminology of “Pope” didn’t come until much later. His leadership was quite evident in action and in Christ’s conversations with him. But his title at that point was not the word “Pope.” He was “apostle” like the others of course, and his name had also been changed to “Peter”, i.e. Rock, which of course he uses in opening his epistles.
 
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