The Eternal [Mormon] Temple in the Eternal City [of Rome]

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There was tenderness and reverence in his voice as Thomas S. Monson, president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), said the Mormon temple being built in Rome, Italy, “uniquely, is being built in one of the most historic locations in the world, a city where the ancient apostles Peter and Paul preached the gospel of Christ and where each was martyred.”

Monson, considered a prophet by Mormons, addressed millions of members around the world in a biannual satellite broadcast in April. Recalling the Rome groundbreaking on an overcast day in October 2010, attended by Italian senator Lucio Malan and Rome’s vice-mayor Giuseppe Ciardi along with many Italian members of the LDS church, he said that as the choir sang, “one felt as though heaven and earth were joined in a glorious hymn of praise and gratitude to Almighty God. Tears could not be restrained.”
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Latter-day Saint missionaries were present in Italy as early as 1850, a mere twenty years after the Church was first established by Joseph Smith in upstate New York, but it wasn’t until 1965 that missionary work there started in earnest after receiving authorization from the Italian government. Today, there are about 24,000 members in Italy, comprising over a hundred congregations.
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The Mormons don’t have a Temple in Jerusalem yet, but they’re working on it.
 
The Mormon temples are actively funded by Mormons, and they are used to seal Mormon marriages, and to baptize the dead.

I do hope the Italian public is made known what happens in the Mormon temple, and that their obituaries and church records will be scanned for deceased members for Mormon baptisms. I also hope that they will come to know that in the same Roman countryside where the Mass was said 2,000 years ago, that the Mormons will deny this practice as corrupt.

I am told that the Mormon baptism is offered to the deceased after they have passed on. They can in the next life decide whether to accept or reject Mormon beliefs then.

It is on record that John Paul II was baptized 6 times by various American temples.

It is a great, great accomplishment by Mormonism to finally be able to build their temple across town from their arch rival, the Roman Catholic Church. Just as Rome is noted for the Vatican and being the Eternal City with all its ancient artifacts, it also publicly stated on its BYU channel, that it does as well hope to share in the awe they hope to see in people who will come to the Mormon temple.

It will be quite different from the Italian architecture…do in Rome as the Romans do???
 
Ahimsa said:
The Mormons don’t have a Temple in Jerusalem yet, but they’re working on it.
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I’m not surprised that they’re trying. But anyone who has been to Rome knows that it will still pale to the beauty and number of churches that are in Rome. Even excluding St Peter’s Basilica, Rome has the most stupendous churches in the world.
 
Yes, and they were done by the hands of the faithful all for the glory of God and in thanksgiving for Jesus Christ His Son. No human hands can ever create anything so beautiful and wonderful to honor God however. He is so infinitely good…The Lord Jesus is Truth and Beauty, and He is reflected in all of creation. Some day the world will be His temple.
 
With several friends who are Latter Day Saints, further with recognition of the state of affairs, if you will, with religion in general, irrelevant of one’s convictions of beliefs or lack of anything as well — my convictions or values of my friends beliefs will remain respectful.

No interest in the bandwagon of shifting opinions.
 
CourtAdvocate said:
With several friends who are Latter Day Saints, further with recognition of the state of affairs, if you will, with religion in general, irrelevant of one’s convictions of beliefs or lack of anything as well — my convictions or values of my friends beliefs will remain respectful.

No interest in the bandwagon of shifting opinions.
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I think the job of the moderators on this forum is to make sure that people remain respectful. I’m sure that we are all happy that you have the same conviction. Welcome to the forum.
 
KathleenGee said:
The Mormon temples are actively funded by Mormons, and they are used to seal Mormon marriages, and to baptize the dead.

I do hope the Italian public is made known what happens in the Mormon temple, and that their obituaries and church records will be scanned for deceased members for Mormon baptisms. I also hope that they will come to know that in the same Roman countryside where the Mass was said 2,000 years ago, that the Mormons will deny this practice as corrupt.

I am told that the Mormon baptism is offered to the deceased after they have passed on. They can in the next life decide whether to accept or reject Mormon beliefs then.

It is on record that John Paul II was baptized 6 times by various American temples.

It is a great, great accomplishment by Mormonism to finally be able to build their temple across town from their arch rival, the Roman Catholic Church. Just as Rome is noted for the Vatican and being the Eternal City with all its ancient artifacts, it also publicly stated on its BYU channel, that it does as well hope to share in the awe they hope to see in people who will come to the Mormon temple.

It will be quite different from the Italian architecture…do in Rome as the Romans do???
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JUst curious, do you feel an lds baptism for the dead is any more harmful or intrusive than a Christian Mass for the dead? Both are usually done without the concent of the deceased, and often for people of another faith.
In principle, both are expressing one’s desire for another soul to join our father in heaven.

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big difference between praying for the dead and baptizing the dead
 
Tony888 said:
JUst curious, do you feel an lds baptism for the dead is any more harmful or intrusive than a Christian Mass for the dead? Both are usually done without the concent of the deceased, and often for people of another faith.
In principle, both are expressing one’s desire for another soul to join our father in heaven.

ir
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I was always under the impression that requiems were only for the faithful, much like the Orthodox memorial service. I’ve not heard of requiems being performed for people of other faiths.
 
Tony888 said:
JUst curious, do you feel an lds baptism for the dead is any more harmful or intrusive than a Christian Mass for the dead? Both are usually done without the concent of the deceased, and often for people of another faith.
In principle, both are expressing one’s desire for another soul to join our father in heaven.

ir
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Yeah, I don’t really get why anyone would take offense to the LDS church holding whatever ceremonies they see fit to hold. I’m not Mormon, so I’m generally ambivalent about what they do behind closed temple doors. They can mention my name every Sunday from now until the end of time for all I care. Since I believe their rituals are entirely meaningless, what difference should any of it make to me?
 
Cavaradossi said:
I was always under the impression that requiems were only for the faithful, much like the Orthodox memorial service. I’ve not heard of requiems being performed for people of other faiths.
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Don’t the Orthodox pray for the salvation of all people?
 
Tony888 said:
JUst curious, do you feel an lds baptism for the dead is any more harmful or intrusive than a Christian Mass for the dead? Both are usually done without the concent of the deceased, and often for people of another faith.
In principle, both are expressing one’s desire for another soul to join our father in heaven.
ir
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What do you mean that the Mass of Christian Buriel is done without the consent of the deceased? I am a music minster who has played music for dozens upon dozens of funerals. I have yet to see a non-Catholic lying in the casket at a Catholic Mass for the dead. Are you trying to make the case that a person would belong to the Catholic Church but secretly not want a Catholic Mass said on their behalf as they depart this world? The Mass of Christian Buriel is done for Catholics. We may offer intentions for non-Catholics at any Mass, but the Mass of Christian Buriel is for a specific person, recently deceased, who has at least nominally lived their Catholic faith.

(I thought you use to be Catholic, or am I thinking of someone else? If so, then you already know this.)

This is completely different then baptising one who is deceased and who has never come close to giving their consent, such as Pope John Paul, II who I believe has been baptized by Mormons no less than six times since his death. That is a travesty.
 
Cavaradossi said:
I was always under the impression that requiems were only for the faithful, much like the Orthodox memorial service. I’ve not heard of requiems being performed for people of other faiths.
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I’ve seen several very nice commemorative cards signifying how a Catholic mass was held for a deceased (non-catholic) person. Maybe there are two types of masses for the departed, one for RCC and another for heathens 🙂
 
Do Mormons have any trouble accepting a member of their families marrying a Catholic and having their children raised as Catholics instead of Mormons?

Would Mormons feel offended if the Catholic Church in Salt Lake City began incorporating Mormons against their knowledge and will into the Catholic Church through means not known to Mormons???
 
KathleenGee said:
Do Mormons have any trouble accepting a member of their families marrying a Catholic and having their children raised as Catholics instead of Mormons?

Would Mormons feel offended if the Catholic Church in Salt Lake City began incorporating Mormons against their knowledge and will into the Catholic Church through means not known to Mormons???
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Mormon post-death baptisms are not rituals of force; the person is believed to have the free-will to accept the baptism or reject it.
 
SteveVH said:
What do you mean that the Mass of Christian Buriel is done without the consent of the deceased? I am a music minster who has played music for dozens upon dozens of funerals. I have yet to see a non-Catholic lying in the casket at a Catholic Mass for the dead. Are you trying to make the case that a person would belong to the Catholic Church but secretly not want a Catholic Mass said on their behalf as they depart this world? The Mass of Christian Buriel is done for Catholics. We may offer intentions for non-Catholics at any Mass, but the Mass of Christian Buriel is for a specific person, recently deceased, who has at least nominally lived their Catholic faith.

(I thought you use to be Catholic, or am I thinking of someone else? If so, then you already know this.)

This is completely different then baptising one who is deceased and who has never come close to giving their consent, such as Pope John Paul, II who I believe has been baptized by Mormons no less than six times since his death. That is a travesty.
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what are you talking about? Having a catholic funeral is not the same as having a mass held for a departed soul. The body is not rpesent in the second (but I think a donation is made to the church) There is absolutely no consent involved, unlike a funeral. In fact, don’t Catholics offer masses for the living as well as the dead (without a signed consent form)

Now answer my question,
  • in both cases the acts are done for people of another faith, with the express intent of trying to help a departed soul join our Father in heaven.
  • how are they not similar at the level I pointed out, though the methods vary?
 
I acknowledge that they think people can choose again once their life is completed…

But how do Mormons feel about their children marrying Catholics and then having the children raised Catholic? They obviously would be married in a Catholic church. There are plenty in Italy.

How would Mormons feel about their children marrying in a Catholic church and having their children baptized as Catholics?

I am addressing this compartmental thinking…the Mormons can do it but the Catholics can’t…like the Apostles, witnesses to His Majesty, Jesus Christ, as St. Peter addressed Him, were unable to appoint successors, whereas the Mormons can.
 
Ahimsa said:
God doesn’t listen to Mormon prayers?
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I think there’s a difference between the extemporaneous, private prayers that Mormons say silently in their hearts and the (semi-) public rituals, like baptisms, that are performed in LDS temples. As a Catholic, I don’t believe those rituals have any value. So, no, I do not believe that God “listens to” their rituals. If I did, I’d be Mormon.

As far as the private, “freehand” prayers that members of the LDS church sincerely offer to God in their hearts and minds, I’d say two things. 1) God can “hear” the prayers of every man, woman and child on Earth. 2) I have no idea how He chooses to respond to the vast majority of those prayers. 3) I don’t believe that Mormons and Catholics pray to/worship/adore the same God.
 
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