The Eucharist in Lutheran and other protestant religions?

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JonNC said:
And your opinion is not biased?
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I do not offer personal, private opinions. I humbly, via grace, subject myself to the authority of the Magisterium of the Church Jesus Christ founded and simply reiterate what She promulgates.
JonNC said:
When during the council in Jerusalem is papal supremacy specifically conferred?
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Papal supremacy was not conferred at the Council of Jerusalem, it was conferred by Jesus Christ Himself during His public ministry. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture have transmitted this truth while the Magisterium has safeguarded it and can trace its lineage back to Saint Peter.
 
AugustTherese said:
I do not offer personal, private opinions. I humbly, via grace, subject myself to the authority of the Magisterium of the Church Jesus Christ founded and simply reiterate what She promulgates.
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These are your biased opinions, too. BTW, it is okay to have them. It is even okay to hold the opinions and teachings of your communion. Just don’t belittle others that hold to theirs.
AugustTherese said:
Papal supremacy was not conferred at the Council of Jerusalem, it was conferred by Jesus Christ Himself during His public ministry. Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture have transmitted this truth while the Magisterium has safeguarded it and can trace its lineage back to Saint Peter.
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Specifically, when did Christ say this? Not some vague inference, a specific "you have supremacy ", because Don a while ago quoted the verse where Christ specifically denies any one had supremacy?
 
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AugustTherese said:
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JonNC:
For the same reason Rome has not had a truly ecumenical council. The Schism. There have only been 7
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Could you elaborate on this? What is your support for this claim?
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Sure. If the EO bishops do not accept it, it isn’t ecumenical.
https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-ortho...re/sources-of-christian-doctrine/the-councils
 
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JonNC said:
These are your biased opinions, too. BTW, it is okay to have them. It is even okay to hold the opinions and teachings of your communion. Just don’t belittle others that hold to theirs
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I am sorry, but they are not my “biased opinions”. I did not read the Bible and formulate “opinions” that coincidentally lined up with the teachings of the Catholic Church. If you want to claim the doctrines of the Catholic Church as being opinions, then that is your affair. But, to suggest that they are my opinions is just plain dishonest. Do I hold opinions on certain theological constructs, absolutely! But, when it comes to core, revealed Dogmas essential for salvation, I humbly tip my hat to the Church Jesus Christ founded and promised that no heresy, i.e. the gates of hell, would prevail.
JonNC said:
Specifically, when did Christ say this?
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Circa 30-33AD.
 
JonNC said:
Sure. If the EO bishops do not accept it, it isn’t ecumenical.
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That’s like saying if the Mormon’s do not accept it, it is not ecumenical. Funny how there were no such thing as “EO bishops” to accept or not accept Ecumenical Councils for the first 1,000 years.
 
AugustTherese said:
That’s like saying if the Mormon’s do not accept it, it is not ecumenical. Funny how there were no such thing as “EO bishops” to accept or not accept Ecumenical Councils for the first 1,000 years.
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Are you equating Orthodox bishops to Mormons?
Are Orthodox bishops not considered by Rome as valid? And their bishoprics the same as 1,000 years ago? Is the see in Antioch and Constantinople the same now as then?
They are indeed the same bishops
 
JonNC said:
Are you equating Orthodox bishops to Mormons?
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Absolutely not! Not in a million years! It was just an analogy to illustrate the illogical nature of declaring that an Ecumenical Council is only an Ecumenical Council if an EO bishop says so.
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Are Orthodox bishops not considered by Rome as valid?
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Yes, they are valid. However, the validity of their ordination and sustained apostolic succession has nothing to do with determining what is and what is not an Ecumenical Council.
 
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AugustTherese said:
Absolutely not! Not in a million years! It was just an analogy to illustrate the illogical nature of declaring that an Ecumenical Council is only and Ecumenical Council if an EO bishop says so.
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Good. Happy to hear that. It wasn’t a good one.
Well, not only EO. Western bishops, too.
 
JonNC said:
Thanks for the confirmation. There is no event where Christ states universal jurisdiction of any one bishop
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Are you wanting a recorded event? If so, Matthew 16:18-19 is a recorded event. Acts 15 echoes papal supremacy bestowed by Christ. Also, I can provide a litany of Church Fathers redounding what Christ bestowed on Saint Peter and his successors.
 
AugustTherese said:
Are you wanting a recorded event? If so, Matthew 16:18-19 is a recorded event. Acts 15 echoes papal supremacy bestowed by Christ. Also, I can provide a litany of Church Fathers redounding what Christ bestowed on Saint Peter and his successors.
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It can be said that these “echoes” are are just. They don’t specifically mention or confirm supremacy.
At all. But you haven’t provided a quote fromChrist
Provide them.
 
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