The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

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We all know about the last supper, and it may be true that the Bible says…

“I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” John 6: 51

“For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink” John 6:55

However, this is not meant literally, and here is why:

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6: 63

That scripture alone proves that the food and drink Christ spoke of was not meant to mean his body and blood, but rather HIS WORD. It is HIS WORD that gives us life and sustains us, not a little bread wafer and wine.
 
Are you saying that Christ’s flesh “profiteth nothing”, that the sacrifice of the cross was worthless?

Even a protestant would agree - that’s heresy.
 
I don’t think that’s what it means when Christ says this. It basically means anything we do on this earth, really won’t mean much after the fact. Once we’re gone, we’re either in Heaven or Hell regardless of anything we have done here, how much money we’ve made, how big a collection we got of something, etc. None of that can come with us, in the end we leave as we came in, with ourselves, our souls and nothing else.
 
So you don’t believe that the flesh of Christ, the flesh of which he said “the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh,” profits us?

Only a non-Christian could believe this.
 
Dauphin said:
Are you saying that Christ’s flesh “profiteth nothing”, that the sacrifice of the cross was worthless?
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And speaking about that, if Christ’s sacrifice was sufficent for all the first time, then why do you feel the need to re-sacrifice him every time you hold Mass? Did Jesus not say on the cross that it was finished?
 
VociMike said:
So you don’t believe that the flesh of Christ, the flesh of which he said “the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh,” profits us?
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Not in the context that you speak of no. His flesh profited us once, when he died on the cross for all, that’s it. No more needed to be done after that.
Only a non-Christian could believe this.
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I would prefer you not to make judgments as to my beliefs thank you very much.
 
ajk19 said:
And speaking about that, if Christ’s sacrifice was sufficent for all the first time, then why do you feel the need to re-sacrifice him every time you hold Mass? Did Jesus not say on the cross that it was finished?
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Christ’s sacrifice was eternal. It happened once, and for all eternity.
 
ajk19 said:
Not in the context that you speak of no. His flesh profited us once, when he died on the cross for all, that’s it. No more needed to be done after that.
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But in the quotes you provided, you’re clearly telling us that Christ’s flesh *never *profitted anything, since “the flesh profiteth nothing”

Or would you care to withdraw your erroneous interpretation of those passages?
 
Wow, ajk19, you have a lot to learn about Catholic beliefs. I would suggest that you start reading through the library (link at the top of the page) and maybe begin by reading this article. The early Church fathers also believed in the real presence of Christ in the eucharist. Spend a few days searching into what we really believe, and then come back and we’ll answer any questions you may have about our beliefs.
 
ajk19 said:
Not in the context that you speak of no. His flesh profited us once, when he died on the cross for all, that’s it. No more needed to be done after that.
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Now you’re doing a major change-of-tune. You quoted scripture that says “the flesh profits nothing” and implied that this referred to Christ’s flesh (when it clearly doesn’t refer to his flesh, by the way), and now you’re telling us that what he really meant to say was “my flesh does profit, but only once.” That’s just a bizarre stretch.
I would prefer you not to make judgments as to my beliefs thank you very much.
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I know next to nothing about your beliefs. But I know only a non-Christian could believe that Christ’s flesh profits nothing.
 
mommyof4 said:
Wow, ajk19, you have a lot to learn about Catholic beliefs. I would suggest that you start reading through the library (link at the top of the page) and maybe begin by reading this article. The early Church fathers also believed in the real presence of Christ in the eucharist. Spend a few days searching into what we really believe, and then come back and we’ll answer any questions you may have about our beliefs.
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No thanks, I’ve sailed that ship already. I’m perfectly satisfied with the choice I have made, and I plan to stick to it.
 
ajk19 said:
Exactly my point, by claiming that the Eucharist is Christ’s body and blood, then you are re-sacrificing him then.
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Learn the faith you are so intent on bashing. Catholicism does not teach that we re-sacrifice Christ. That Church would denounce such a teaching as a terrible heresy.
 
VociMike said:
Learn the faith you are so intent on bashing. Catholicism does not teach that we re-sacrifice Christ. That Church would denounce such a teaching as a terrible heresy.
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Then Christ cannot be present in the Eucharist then as you claim.
 
ajk19 said:
No thanks, I’ve sailed that ship already. I’m perfectly satisfied with the choice I have made, and I plan to stick to it.
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Hey, all I’m suggesting is that before you come in here and start attacking us and telling us how “wrong” our beliefs are, you need to educate yourself, first. I’m not saying you need to convert, I’m just suggesting that you take some time to EDUCATE YOURSELF before posting.
 
ajk19 said:
Then Christ cannot be present in the Eucharist then as you claim.
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Wrong. Think about it a little more. Christ is really and truly present in the Sacrifice of the Mass, and he is not re-sacrificed. Put the pieces together.
 
Lol. “Don’t judge me or my faith”, you say, all the while condemning the Catholic faith. Protestants always want it both ways.

Christ is clear in John 6 that the flesh that He will give us to eat IS THE SAME FLESH THAT HE WILL GIVE ON THE CROSS. It is unmistakable.

Please reread John 6, the gospel accounts of the last supper, the story of Melchezidek and Abraham, the Passover Sacrifice (which HAD to be eaten), and the feeding of the 5,000 again. Prayerfully consider the texts.

Also read the Early Church Fathers accounts of the Eucharist and it’s sacrificial nature. If the disciples of the disciples understood it the Catholic way and you would place your PERSONAL interpretation which is over 2,000 years removed from the events in opposition to them and the Bible then you are a logically flawed thinker.

And the Mass is a Re-Presentation of the Cross, not a resacrificing. Christ doesn’t die and bleed again. It IS finished.
 
VociMike said:
Now you’re doing a major change-of-tune. You quoted scripture that says “the flesh profits nothing” and implied that this referred to Christ’s flesh (when it clearly doesn’t refer to his flesh, by the way), and now you’re telling us that what he really meant to say was “my flesh does profit, but only once.” That’s just a bizarre stretch.
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Put it this way, eating a wafer and drinking some wine is not going to save us, and will do us no good in the end, thereby not profiting us anything God’s Word is sufficient nourishment, “food” if you will, and can and does profit us.
 
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