The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

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ajk19 said:
In some ways I am going through rough times, and trying to get my life together, which has proven difficult for me.
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Then you should seek out the fullness of God’s revelation, guidance and grace, which is found only in the Catholic Church. Don’t take our word for it, but do stick around and post your concerns and above all keep an open mind. It is clear from your initial posts that somebody did an absolutely terrible job in conveying the Catholic faith to you. The reality of Catholicism is vastly more wonderful and beautiful and fulfilling than the mismash you seem to have been saddled with. If you are going to reject the Catholic Church, first learn what she actually is and actually teaches.

And I too invite you to PM me (a cradle Catholic turned agnostic turned Catholic revert) should you be so inclined.
 
ajk19 said:
I could care less really what any one person in said church believes. My professor goes there, and I’ve heard good things about it, so I might try it out. I should go to the church somewhere anyway.
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So you think it’s ok to go to a den of heretics for the Gospel?

I would strongly recommend reading the Bible, especially those parts written by the apostle Paul. He wouldn’t think much of that. He was actually pretty committed to ensuring that the community has ONE faith.
 
VociMike said:
Then you should seek out the fullness of God’s revelation, guidance and grace, which is found only in the Catholic Church. Don’t take our word for it, but do stick around and post your concerns and above all keep an open mind. It is clear from your initial posts that somebody did an absolutely terrible job in conveying the Catholic faith to you. The reality of Catholicism is vastly more wonderful and beautiful and fulfilling than the mismash you seem to have been saddled with. If you are going to reject the Catholic Church, first learn what she actually is and actually teaches.

And I too invite you to PM me (a cradle Catholic turned agnostic turned Catholic revert) should you be so inclined.
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Amen to that VociMike!👍
 
Can’t you guys be convinced by the OP? I mean I can’t believe there’s someone who could not be convinced. His view of Catholicism is soooo accurate! He’s a 3rd year college student for pity’s sake! We all know 3rd year college students are so experienced in life, so good at interpreting Scripture (better than the ECF duuuh!), and sooo infallible nobody can refute them or can make them change their mind… They know everything! Sheeeesh! :rolleyes:

Sorry for the sarcasm… Hope you forgive… Just can’t restrain myself… 😃

But seriously, I pray for you ajk19. You already judge Catholicism before you have known the fullness of it. You may be a Catholic but I am willing to bet that you have never really explored the depth of TRUTH in Catholicism.

With respect to the topic I suggest these links
scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html
davidmacd.com/catholic/confusion_theory.htm
davidmacd.com/catholic/eucharist.htm
 
I was reading your writing on this subject and was wondering what bible you read? because that quote of John 6;63 IS NOT from the St. Joseph Catholic bible. Our Catholic bible states; John 6: 63 " It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life." The asterick by the word flesh is explained in our bible.Jesus is refering to the bread of life as the revelation of the spirit. TRUST me He IS IN the Eucharist. A true catholic knows that He is there present in the Eucharist, obviously not literally, but SPIRITUALLY which is what we are feeding when we receive Him. If you want to practice our religion LEARN IT.
 
ajk19 said:
I don’t think any one church has the answer or answers. The answers aren’t there, they are in the Bible, not a church.
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ooookay…Here you are wrong again scripturally.

Look at what St. Paul says about that.
“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”(1st Timothy 3:15) So, it appears that St. Paul would disagree with you that the truth is found only in the Bible versus the church. 🤷

As for your initial topic asserting that the Eucharist is not the body of Christ, I actually got very seriously into a study of this in the Bible and the early church fathers and have written up my findings and posted them here at CAF and several other sites, but the easiest way to read it is to check it out on my blog, so here’s the link. The Eucharist IS Scriptural and you can read My Testimony there as well. By all means read them and contact me if you wish to talk that over because frankly I’m thoroughly convinced.
Blessed Christmas! 🙂
 
Well wait a minute now, so then it’s not the literal body and blood of Christ. You did say spiritually he’s present right?
 
monica1950 said:
I was reading your writing on this subject and was wondering what bible you read? because that quote of John 6;63 IS NOT from the St. Joseph Catholic bible. Our Catholic bible states; John 6: 63 " It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life." The asterick by the word flesh is explained in our bible.Jesus is refering to the bread of life as the revelation of the spirit. TRUST me He IS IN the Eucharist. A true catholic knows that He is there present in the Eucharist, obviously not literally, but SPIRITUALLY which is what we are feeding when we receive Him. If you want to practice our religion LEARN IT.
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Joh 6:63

(ASV) It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life.

(DRB) (6:64) It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

(ESV) It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

(KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

(NASB) "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

(NKJV) It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

(RSV) It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
 
ajk19 said:
Well wait a minute now, so then it’s not the literal body and blood of Christ. You did say spiritually he’s present right?
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Ohhh… just let it go for tonight, ok? My head hurts from all of this circular arguing. Just please read some of the links that we have provided for you. It may help.
 
ajk19 said:
Well wait a minute now, so then it’s not the literal body and blood of Christ. You did say spiritually he’s present right?
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Christ is in the Eucharist body, blood, soul, and divinity.

You are a spirit AND you have a body…are you saying that Jesus Christ can’t exist in this manner?
 
ajk19 said:
Well wait a minute now, so then it’s not the literal body and blood of Christ. You did say spiritually he’s present right?
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It is a mystery how it is so. What we can say is that it is the body and blood of Christ. It is not some figure of speech. It is literal in that it is Christ that we consume in the Eucharist but it is not literal in that we are eating flesh(but it is not figurative either). Just as God is literally in you so is Christ literally in the Eucharist.
 
ajk19 said:
Well wait a minute now, so then it’s not the literal body and blood of Christ. You did say spiritually he’s present right?
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ajk,

John 6:67
After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him

Christ gave them no explanation. He did not say, “wait, you mis-understood me, I was only speaking figuratively”. They knew, along with everyone else, exactly what He was saying?

If this were figurative, why is it written?

61 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it.

Whats so hard about figuratively seeing Jesus as the Bread of Life? Whats so different about Jesus being the Vine, or the Light, or the Good Shepard? Why didn’t anyone else leave him there? THINK!
 
jimmy said:
It is a mystery how it is so. What we can say is that it is the body and blood of Christ. It is not some figure of speech. It is literal in that it is Christ that we consume in the Eucharist but it is not literal in that we are eating flesh(but it is not figurative either). Just as God is literally in you so is Christ literally in the Eucharist.
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If it was a miracle or however you want to put it, wouldn’t it be obvious to all and not just some? All of Christ’s miracles were this way.
 
ajk19 said:
If it was a miracle or however you want to put it, wouldn’t it be obvious to all and not just some? All of Christ’s miracles were this way.
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Who says it has to be obvious? God lives within us but it is not obvious to all. Christ is God yet that was not apparent to all. Some things remain unknown to us and we have to accept them by faith. The Eucharist is like this. What it truely is is not simply seen through the physical senses. We must accept it through faith and we will see it through the eyes of faith.
 
jimmy said:
Who says it has to be obvious? God lives within us but it is not obvious to all. Christ is God yet that was not apparent to all. Some things remain unknown to us and we have to accept them by faith. The Eucharist is like this. What it truely is is not simply seen through the physical senses. We must accept it through faith and we will see it through the eyes of faith.
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Well as far as physical things go, anything Jesus did was obvious, why should the eucharist be any different?. Like when he turned water into wine, it didn’t look like water and taste like water yet claim to be wine, it actually did become wine.
 
ajk19 said:
If it was a miracle or however you want to put it, wouldn’t it be obvious to all and not just some? All of Christ’s miracles were this way.
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Joh 6:30 They said therefore to him: **What sign therefore dost thou shew that we may see and may believe thee? What dost thou work? **
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is that which cometh down from heaven and giveth life to the world.
Joh 6:34 They said therefore unto him: Lord, give us always this bread.
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life. He that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst.
Joh 6:36 But I said unto you that you also have seen me, and you believe not.
 
ajk19 said:
Well as far as physical things go, anything Jesus did was obvious, why should the eucharist be any different?. Like when he turned water into wine, it didn’t look like water and taste like water yet claim to be wine, it actually did become wine.
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Why should the truth conform to your speculations?
 
Why should it go against the facts of the Miracles Jesus performed. Everyone saw them, and knew of them. The eucharist does not fit in with that.
 
ajk19 said:
Why should it go against the facts of the Miracles Jesus performed. Everyone saw them, and knew of them. The eucharist does not fit in with that.
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Not everybody believed, even when they saw the miracles.
 
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