The Eucharist is NOT the body of Christ

[Mannyfit75]

If the catholic church does not teach that Christ is re-sacrificed in the mass then what am i to make of this from an article on this website that says:
“The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist.”

It is a sacrifice. It makes the sacrifice of the cross present with us in the Mass. Many of Early Church Fathers like Justin Martyr refer to the prophecy of Malachi which he writes:

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachi, one of the twelve, as follows: ‘I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.’ It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-“Dialogue with Trypho”, [41: 8-10]

The sacrifice at the Mass is not a re-sacrifice. The sacrifice transcends time and space. Just as Jesus death destroy our sin even though, he died over 2,000 yrs ago. That death crosses over time and space and thus our sin is destroyed.

Likewise, the sacrifice of the cross becomes present. It is not a blood sacrifice. It is a sacrifice in an unbloody manner.

 

[ajk19]

It’s not a re-sacrifice… it’s the SAME sacrifice. At Mass, we are witnessing it AT CALVARY eternally, outside of time, just as God sits outside of time.

That’s kinda ridiculous. I understand God has no limits as far as time goes, but the past is still the past.

 

[agangbern]

If the catholic church does not teach that Christ is re-sacrificed in the mass then what am i to make of this from an article on this website that says:
“The Eucharist is a true sacrifice, not just a commemorative meal, as “Bible Christians” insist.”

It is a true sacrifice because it is one and the same sacrifice that occurred in calvary long time ago. The crucifixion that occurred in calvary continues to manifest itself through the celebration of the Holy Mass. You have seen lightning and heard of thunder. What you saw and what you heard are manifestations of what occurred somewhere. The manifestation is one and the same with what is manifested.

 

[justasking4]

It’s not a re-sacrifice… it’s the SAME sacrifice. At Mass, we are witnessing it AT CALVARY eternally, outside of time, just as God sits outside of time.

How can this be when the Scriptures tell us that it is “finished”?
Or take Hebrews 10:12 which is so clear----but He, having offered **one sacrifice **for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

No longer is Christ on the cross and offering Himself up again but is now seated at the right hand of God.

 

[agangbern]

That’s kinda ridiculous. I understand God has no limits as far as time goes, but the past is still the past.

Yes the past is past. But there is one fire that burned in the past and its smoke has reached the present.

 

[LilyM]

That’s kinda ridiculous. I understand God has no limits as far as time goes, but the past is still the past.

But you believe that the sacrifice on Calvary was once-for-all - in other words that its redemptive effects act EVEN TODAY to save you - how is this possible if ‘the past is the past’??? Calvary is not localised in time or place in that way - it’s an eternal event.

And there is no ‘past’ ‘present’ or ‘future’ with God. If He has no limits as far as time goes, then He has no limits - the same characteristic of His which makes prophecy possible

 

[zerocrossing]

That’s kinda ridiculous. I understand God has no limits as far as time goes, but the past is still the past.

What you just wrote is internally contradictory. If God has no limits WRT time, then linear time (i.e. The past is “back there”) is not operative. Linear time - the version of time experienced by mortal humans is not eternity, which transcends time. An eternal sacrifice takes place outside of the bounds of finite linear time. Just because linear time is all that our puny fallen human minds can comprehend does not make it the default version of time. Default time would be eternity - i.e. God’s time. We shouldn’t limit God to what our fallen minds can understand.

 

[ajk19]

But you believe that the sacrifice on Calvary was once-for-all - in other words that its redemptive effects act EVEN TODAY to save you - how is this possible if ‘the past is the past’??? Calvary is not localised in time or place in that way - it’s an eternal event.

Yes I am not denying that, but again there is no need for it to be repeated again and again. It happened once and for all, not once and for all and then a thousand times a day the world over.

 

[zerocrossing]

How can this be when the Scriptures tell us that it is “finished”?
Or take Hebrews 10:12 which is so clear----but He, having offered **one sacrifice **for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,

No longer is Christ on the cross and offering Himself up again but is now seated at the right hand of God.

Yes, it IS finished. That is exactly what Catholics believe. Put away your linear thinking cap and enter into the ETERNAL, where this takes place. Linear time is utterly irrelevant here - and is just a rationalistic box that allows you to limit God.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Yes I am not denying that, but again there is no need for it to be repeated again and again. It happened once and for all, not once and for all and then a thousand times a day the world over.

Do you believe Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary covers a person who comes to Christ today? If so, how if, “the past is still the past…”?

God bless

 

[ajk19]

What I mean is that it happened once, not over and over. That’s what I mean by the past is the past. Once it happened, it was done, and that was it.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

What I mean is that it happened once, not over and over. That’s what I mean by the past is the past. Once it happened, it was done, and that was it.

So Christ’s sacrifice does not cover the sins of those who come to Him today?

God bless

 

[VociMike]

Yes I am not denying that, but again there is no need for it to be repeated again and again. It happened once and for all, not once and for all and then a thousand times a day the world over.

And yet God’s salvific grace and action does need to be applied thousands of times a day the world over. Otherwise nobody could get saved any more. And God’s sanctifying grace does need to be applied millions of times a day the world over. Otherwise nobody could be sanctified.

So you must agree that, even if Christ died 2000 years ago, the grace and the effects of his sacrifice get applied many, many times each and every day.

So your only complaint, really, is the means that God has chosen to apply the grace and the effects of his sacrifice. And frankly, who are you to tell God by what means he must apply his saving grace and actions? Who are you to tell God that we do not need (or benefit) from having his sacrifice re-presented thousands of times each and every day?

 

[VociMike]

What I mean is that it happened once, not over and over. That’s what I mean by the past is the past. Once it happened, it was done, and that was it.

So your claim is that Christ is no longer our High Priest? For a High Priest must have something to offer. According to you, Christ no longer has anything to offer, so he can no longer be our High Priest.

But scripture says otherwise…

 

[edward_george]

What I mean is that it happened once, not over and over. That’s what I mean by the past is the past. Once it happened, it was done, and that was it.

Please read this post.

Thank you.

-ACEGC

 

[zerocrossing]

What I mean is that it happened once, not over and over. That’s what I mean by the past is the past. Once it happened, it was done, and that was it.

And what I’m telling is that it only happened once and does not happen over and over. The “over and over” argument is a prime example of linear thinking. But the sacrifice of Calvary is not taking place in linear time.

 

[VociMike]

Yes, it IS finished. That is exactly what Catholics believe. Put away your linear thinking cap and enter into the ETERNAL, where this takes place. Linear time is utterly irrelevant here - and is just a rationalistic box that allows you to limit God.

Yes, the OP’s inability to think outside the “time box” is exactly the kind of thing that Christ meant when he said “the flesh avails nothing”. The OP’s reasoning powers alone are useless to grasp the mystery and workings of eternal, omnipotent, omniscient God.

 

[LilyM]

Yes I am not denying that, but again there is no need for it to be repeated again and again. It happened once and for all, not once and for all and then a thousand times a day the world over.

But it doesn’t happen again!

Think of it as being a bit like a TV show. The actors act for the cameras once, but the show is broadcast on TV where hundreds of thousands see it - maybe a week or months after the initial performance was done and filmed. If it’s popular its repeated - if it’s really popular it’s repeated often.

There are shows, like ‘I Love Lucy’ that are apparently so popular and broadcast so often that there’d be a repeat every half hour somewhere in the world. Yet Lucille Ball (God rest her genius soul) only performed those shows once, did she not?

 

[ajk19]

But it doesn’t happen again!

Think of it as being a bit like a TV show. The actors act for the cameras once, but the show is broadcast on TV where hundreds of thousands see it - maybe a week or months after the initial performance was done and filmed. If it’s popular its repeated - if it’s really popular it’s repeated often.

There are shows, like ‘I Love Lucy’ that are apparently so popular and broadcast so often that there’d be a repeat every half hour somewhere in the world. Yet Lucille Ball (God rest her genius soul) only performed those shows once, did she not?

Totally different, those are all taped, this is happening every day live. Big difference.

 

[justasking4]

Yes, it IS finished. That is exactly what Catholics believe. Put away your linear thinking cap and enter into the ETERNAL, where this takes place. Linear time is utterly irrelevant here - and is just a rationalistic box that allows you to limit God.

How do you know what the nature of the ETERNAL is? I see alot of this kind of thinking that God is somehow outside time etc but no evidence of how they know this works.