How would you go about proving that there aren’t two Supreme Gods who love each other?I have submitted answers before, and I want to add another:
If the Creator and the Un-moved mover are not one, and the argument for each leads to the uncaused cause of each which is God, then we must assume their are two gods. One for each argument. Assuming that we had two gods, then they are not the same, in order to be two there is something that distinguishes one from the other, that something has existence or being. Now it is understood that God is Pure Being and Pure Act. Yet if one had something different than the other, one of those gods wouldn’t possess pure being, and neither would the other. So the argument is contradictory, you can not have two gods only one. Therefore the Creator, or uncaused cause, and the Un-moved mover are one and the same. The truth is implicit in the argument of the Un-moved mover as I stated before. I also mentioned that multipicity is the sign of created entities.
If there are two, neither are supreme. St. Thomas Aquinas addresses this specifically in his Summa.How would you go about proving that there aren’t two Supreme Gods who love each other?
I don’t think I want to talk about the predestination thing right now. Seeing children and thinking God could get them to Heaven but would rather they reject His sufficient grace so that His wrath is shown almost make be become an atheist. Thank God I know more about the truth, and the history of quasi-Calvinism throughout Catholic history. Thank you God
What exactly are you objecting to? It isn’t clear from anything you have said yet.Molinist interpretations on those verses are just as valid. And God would be downright evil if He could save everyone and didn’t, and you know better. You know what Fatherhood means
Aquinas’s tries are impressive, but they are often just tries. As we are discussing on the Apologetics forum, the Pope and the college of bishops with the Pope are Supreme in authority according to Vatican II. Also, your argument can be stretched to argue against the Trinity. Also, the father and mother are both supreme in their own ways in a marriage.If there are two, neither are supreme. St. Thomas Aquinas addresses this specifically in his Summa.
I wasn’t ambiguous in what I said, so its clear you are not familiar with this issue of predestination. Augustine and Aquinas believed that God can turn anyone’s will to Himself infallibly, without taking away their free will. Have you read their treatments of St Paul’s statements on predestination? You must not have read my posts when I talked about this issue on this forum, but its ok. **The thing is that they believe it is better that there be damned and elect, instead of everyone defeating temptation and the whole family of man being in heaven. To those two guys, God wants both mercy and wrath to be shown, so He doesn’t give the grace which infallibly saves people **What exactly are you objecting to? It isn’t clear from anything you have said yet.
As a matter of fact, given the way God has made man, he cannot save everyone. Because he created them with a free will, and he does not make men act agains their free will, no matter how much grace he gives them. Take the case of Cyrus ,the Persian King who conqured Babylon. God worked on him for a long time but never forced him. Cyrus decided to act of his own free will and he didn’t even know God was working on him until the Jews cited to him the prophecy in their " books " which was nearly 300 years old. Then he believed.
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And what are your credentials to make such a bold claim?Aquinas’s tries are impressive, but they are often just tries.
How so? The Trinity is one God.As we are discussing on the Apologetics forum, the Pope and the college of bishops with the Pope are Supreme in authority according to Vatican II. Also, your argument can be stretched to argue against the Trinity.
But not in the same way as you have claim of God.Also, the father and mother are both supreme in their own ways in a marriage.
No you have not. Unsupported claims are not arguments against logic.I’m just arguing against your logic
This is not a reasonable reply. A red herring.You haven’t used logic to create an argument here. Reason doesn’t have access to these questions.
What are your credentials to disagree with Kant, Hegel, or Spinoza? We are all thinkers here. Aquinas isn’t any better at thinking than any of those other guys and makes lots of mistakes. I am sure if I wrote a book there would be a far amount of errors too
No matter what I or anyone else says, you will insist you are correct. You are right, I don’t care at all about predestination, since there is nothing I can do about it. The thing to do is to " run so as to win the prize, " as St. Paul said. That way we have no need to worry.I wasn’t ambiguous in what I said, so its clear you are not familiar with this issue of predestination. Augustine and Aquinas believed that God can turn anyone’s will to Himself infallibly, without taking away their free will. Have you read their treatments of St Paul’s statements on predestination? You must not have read my posts when I talked about this issue on this forum, but its ok. **The thing is that they believe it is better that there be damned and elect, instead of everyone defeating temptation and the whole family of man being in heaven. To those two guys, God wants both mercy and wrath to be shown, so He doesn’t give the grace which infallibly saves people **